Should X-23 Have Been Canceled?

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#101 Posted by Projector (28 posts) - - Show Bio

I've been reading Volume 1 of X-23 and loving it, so even though I haven't read Volume 3 yet, I'm pretty sad to see this go already :(

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#102 Posted by BloodTalon (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@jason44143 said:

im all for having more strong female heroes in comics, but how about they make one thats not just a ripoff of another character. and while were at it could we just have them stop ripping off wolverine entirely, there was only one ripoff that was ever acceptable and that was sabretooth

I agree with this

I like plenty of female heroes

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#103 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (6535 posts) - - Show Bio

This is very upsetting, especially since this was one of the few Marvel Comics that has a female lead getting her own series. At least X-Men Legacy, which is focused on Rogue, is still running. It would be nice to see Storm get her own miniseries for a while, especially since she is married to Black Panther now. I like to see more stories between her and Black Panther and how she is coping with Wakanda as its new Queen. It would also be interesting to see Kitty Pryde get her own series since she is an interesting character. But still, I'm sad to see X-23's series going out.

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#104 Posted by hitchcock (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Being a male comic fan, i found X-23 and Uncanny X-Force as my favorite Marvel comics. She has a great potential for growth if given to the right author who isn't going to go the lets just kill alot of stuff routine. Liu was growing the character like nobody else had IMO. Its just a shame that one of the characters that got me back into buying comics again is going the way of a shared book. I will try and follow AA just for her but i dont think they will be able to truly do the character justice in a team book. Hears hoping its just a break and not a full on cancel.

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#105 Posted by Rise2Ragnarok (140 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a guy and I enjoy reading a book with strong female characters, so I for one will be missing it. Since I've always been a DC guy at heart I read very few Marvel books, so it's sad one of them is going to be taken away from me.

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#106 Posted by 00 Raiser (450 posts) - - Show Bio

NO!

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#107 Posted by thehummingbird (3487 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the only marvel title I found worthy of buying I am astounded by this.

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#108 Posted by sora_thekey (8812 posts) - - Show Bio

Could it be that maybe Liu is overwhelmed with everything she has to do that she has to stop writting X-23 and Marvel doesn't want anyone else to write the character?

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#109 Posted by mistersarcastic (349 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF? Does this mean they'll cancel Daken's too? His self-titled comic sucks major ass >_>

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#110 Posted by Kairan1979 (21683 posts) - - Show Bio
@hitchcock said:

Being a male comic fan, i found X-23 and Uncanny X-Force as my favorite Marvel comics. She has a great potential for growth if given to the right author who isn't going to go the lets just kill alot of stuff routine. Liu was growing the character like nobody else had IMO. Its just a shame that one of the characters that got me back into buying comics again is going the way of a shared book. I will try and follow AA just for her but i dont think they will be able to truly do the character justice in a team book. Hears hoping its just a break and not a full on cancel.

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#111 Posted by fACEmelter88 (702 posts) - - Show Bio

It's sad the plug got pulled on X-23 I really like the series and the character. Statistics say male characters sell better and i think the videogame company EA refuses to make games with a female protagonist because they don't sell as well.

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#112 Posted by fbdarkangel (5106 posts) - - Show Bio
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#113 Posted by frogjitsu (497 posts) - - Show Bio

This upsets me, because she's one of my favorite characters, and this is one of the books I looked forward to most every month. It seems like I can never get enough X-23. But this book never really satisfied what I wanted from an X-23 book. Almost from the beginning, it's been plagued with tie-ins, crossovers, or team ups. I just want X-23 by herself doing her own thing, with no interference from other super heroes. If the book would have had a tone more in-line with Target X, then I would have been happier with the book.

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#114 Posted by DanialCarroll (2540 posts) - - Show Bio

@obscurefan said:

X-23 gets canceled, but Daken, which is selling waaaaay lower than it, gets to keep going. Make of that what you will.

Good point. Daken has already crossed the 20k line, so I wonder why it's still going?

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#115 Posted by shadowpdf1 (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Liu is an excellent writer. She was missed in her sudden absence from Black Widow (great use of spy craft), and she'll be missed on X-23. But what bothers me more is not that X-23 is cancelled, it's that great titles like Spider Woman and Ms. Marvel and Black Widow, among others, were cancelled a little while back. Sure, those characters have nice roles in the thousand different Avengers titles, but we don't get a deep look at them like we did in their own titles. I'm not one for publishing a title because a character is male or female, black or white. But the fact that there are no eponymously-named female comic book titles seems to say less about the characters themselves and a great deal about the publisher and the creators at Marvel.

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#116 Posted by Scarbearer (784 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's more than just not knowing how to use their female characters properly (though clearly that is a significant problem) I think Marvel just struggles with Solo titles in general. The team books have always been Marvel's strength, I mean I might be wrong on this, but isn't Spidey the only 'Solo' title that's survived all the way from the 60's? Haven't Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk all been ended and due to low sales and their books restrated at some point?

I think Sadly, Marvel needs to work out how to handle single title books consistently in general before one of the ladies really gets a chance to shine in a solo series.

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#117 Posted by fenixREVOLUTION (921 posts) - - Show Bio

I was pretty damn shocked when I heard this a few days ago, it just seems so out of left field and unwarranted. The book had decent sales and was very good, story and art were both great. I hope she doesn't get her series cancelled in hopes that people will follow her to Avengers Academy, because I won't.

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#118 Posted by rokusan23 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

I LOVE X-23 D; My life feels so deprived.

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#119 Posted by lorex (1000 posts) - - Show Bio

I have really enjoyed the X-23 series, its an X-title but just enough on the fringes to be different. I like the development of Laura's life as she tries to gome to grips with her past and move forward as a character. I hope the titles has not been canceled and there is just a production delay but I doubt it. Marvel has many strong female characters but for some reason none can maintain a regular run for extended period. I will say the Ms Marvel title was enjoyable but the Dark Avengers story scerewed it up.

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#120 Posted by TheOptimist (740 posts) - - Show Bio

So one of the other comics news sites had a misleading title that suggested that X-23 might not've been cancelled after all... I got my hopes all up that the situation had been rectified... turns out they were saying that "the only female title ongoing" wasn't cancelled, due to Ghost Rider's current gender-swap. Man, that frustrated me.

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#121 Posted by 123cgm (62 posts) - - Show Bio

do not cancel x-23!

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#122 Posted by EdBlank (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow. How many Wolverine/Wolverine-like-character books does the world need?

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#123 Edited by kingoftheworld (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Story wise Daken and Gishlers X-Men should be cancelled. With more of the riskier stuff marvel is throwing at us in the future evaulated too.

But as it is Marvels only solo female title it hurts to see it go. Give us Ms. Marvel or Storm or something Marvel.

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#124 Posted by andrea_mendoza1997 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

I am going to cry now... :/

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#125 Posted by Blueshirt (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider and Back Panther got their plug pulled too. Looks like Marvel's cleaning house... yikes. What a shame. I'm surprised Daken hasn't gone yet, though, that's had low sales for quite a while.

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#126 Posted by evanescencefan91 (39 posts) - - Show Bio

@blur1528: yes that title has me gravely concerned as well :(

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#127 Posted by rawr (92 posts) - - Show Bio

If X-23 gets cancelled I am going to get so much hell from my DC-only friends who quote all the solo female lead titles DC has right now compared to Marvel. (Yes there are counter-arguments and X-23 is one of the best.)

@EdBlank: If that is how you perceive X-23 then you clearly don't read it. And I am all for less Wolverine but do not mistake X-23 for a knock-off Wolverine title.

@sora_thekey: Batwoman and X-23 is what got me back into comics after a long hiatus so I am really sad to see this title go. On the other side I think Liu is the only one that can write it IMHO so I rather see it end than go to someone else. Laura is a fantastic character and I don't want to see her get mangled by bad writing.

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#128 Posted by Pauldro952 (214 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Marvel should of Marketed better to females, I know DC isn't perfect but they have more female-centric titles. I think they should both do a campaign of ads on Women's products, or have ads in Cosmo, teen girl and all the other female magazines. If they want more women or just plain simple more readers, they need to market to them, I think X-23 should of been available at Barnes and Noble so it had more potential to be seen. But then again, Barnes and Noble doesn't know how to display the comics. I hope this series comes back so I can give my little niece some marvel to read.

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#129 Posted by AskaniSon295 (453 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't Expect People to buy a mutant book with FF and Captain Universe Crossovers. I liked when she had Gambit and Jubilee in the book they could have down something interesting. I like many comic book readers now buy for the stories. Comicbook Companies have sent a clear message don't care about the #'s on the book or even the title just care about enjoying reading it my X23 & X-Men (3rd Series) collection has numerical holes in it that I will not fill because I really don't care If the X-men beat up the Lizardmen in NewYork City. Buy what you think you might enjoy if you are not enjoying a title stop buying 'There is No Loyalty in Comicbooks" just enjoyment.

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#130 Posted by Kairan1979 (21683 posts) - - Show Bio
@AskaniSon295

You can't Expect People to buy a mutant book with FF and Captain Universe Crossovers.

Why? I think exploring Laura's link to Captain Universe and seeing some non-mutant characters was a development.
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#131 Posted by rawrnosaurous (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@babs I'm a fan of the word dapper, it isn't used nearly as often as it should.

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#132 Posted by SeraPHIMM (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny enough on the day I read up on this, was the same day I was browsing througn HMVs shelves and 'Adventure's in Babysitting' stuck out like a sore thumb, I probably looked like a giggling idiot in that store. 
Other than that quite disapppointed, and saddened to see this one go.
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#133 Posted by Dj_Maximus (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@Danial79:

It just doesn't make any sense to me. X-23 was higher in popularity than Daken plus he's title isn't being cancelled so according to your graph by the looks of things this was a bull shit decision by Marvel Executives.

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#134 Posted by daak1212 (8345 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does Marvel think that introducing a new series in the middle of an event will make it sell? Thats why I didnt buy Alpha Flight and Ghost Rider so Im pissed about that and now my CENTRAL pull is being canceled. *sigh* DC really makes me wanna jump ship

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#135 Posted by Dj_Maximus (219 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to disagree with Marvels decision, I like the character. And over all I agree with the statement if the quality is poor then it should be canceled. I felt the last story arc was average. It wasn't great however according to sales with the DC 52 launch all titles have tooken a dive considered the comic book market is being flooded. Plus Marjorie Liu did sustain a impressive considering she outsold Daken the villainess son of Wolverine. And I don't believe sales have plunged for her as bad as some of the other titles. True the book is selling 24,000 copies plus, still though hasn't reached cancellation below 20,000 copies. Before the DC relaunch X-23 was selling over 46,000 copies plus. However I remind everyone that yes the comic industry is more flooded than ever, meaning people are buying various titles being now there's more to choose from.

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#136 Posted by deactivated-579156ff11b09 (1234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kairan1979 said:

@AskaniSon295:

You can't Expect People to buy a mutant book with FF and Captain Universe Crossovers.

Why? I think exploring Laura's link to Captain Universe and seeing some non-mutant characters was a development.

- I agree on the Captain Universe arc, the entire concept has always been a gimmick IMO and got away from really exploring the characters growth. Considering this series was still trying to establish itself, this may have been too different and turned off some casual readers.

- I disagree on the FF crossover, all these heroes (mutant or otherwise) are allies yet they never seem to interact outside of catastrophic threats. I'm sure Laura will swear off babysitting after this.

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#137 Posted by DanialCarroll (2540 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dj_Maximus said:

@Danial79:

It just doesn't make any sense to me. X-23 was higher in popularity than Daken plus he's title isn't being cancelled so according to your graph by the looks of things this was a bull shit decision by Marvel Executives.

Actually, it was recently mentioned that Daken is being cancelled now too.

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#138 Posted by k2 (498 posts) - - Show Bio

From what this CBR article says:

"CBR News has learned that the monthly comic starring Wolverine's clone daughter has been canceled. Reached for comment, a spokesman for Marvel would not confirm the end of the series but did say that writer Marjorie Liu has more work to come from the of Ideas."

I think what's most likely is that Liu will get or start a new title, possibly involving more of the X-kids, and definitely X-23. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

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#139 Posted by Dakens son (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth said:

Are sales more important than diversifying the product line? No.

Marvel is much worse off than DC regarding female centered titles and women creators, but DC have been getting eaten alive on the subject. Bad move Marvel, for bringing this fight right to your doorstep.

I totally agree but you better ask f******g Disney about the cancellations.

It's not a coincidence that after they took in new staff in their ranks(May),lay offs started at marvel(June and October) and then those tittles sent off !!!! I wish them the best bankruptcy ever(for Disney that is)!

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#140 Posted by Soulstealer (828 posts) - - Show Bio

@Scarbearer said:

I think it's more than just not knowing how to use their female characters properly (though clearly that is a significant problem) I think Marvel just struggles with Solo titles in general. The team books have always been Marvel's strength, I mean I might be wrong on this, but isn't Spidey the only 'Solo' title that's survived all the way from the 60's? Haven't Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk all been ended and due to low sales and their books restrated at some point?

I think Sadly, Marvel needs to work out how to handle single title books consistently in general before one of the ladies really gets a chance to shine in a solo series.

I agree with this 100%.

I understand how people feel about the whole controversy of the female lead; but I believe this neatly sums things up. Marvel's team focus is more at fault here than misogyny.

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#141 Posted by KidSupreme (854 posts) - - Show Bio

Adventures in Babysitting! Thats what the cover reminded me of, Thanks blur1528

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#142 Posted by bsmith1190 (119 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I think the Helix fangirls are to blame, they practically turned Margerie Liu into the Devil for breaking her and Hellion (a character I've always found to be quite dull btw) up. After she broke up with Hellion the Helix fans turned on her, just take a cursory glance at this forum post (http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/29-3560/on-marjorie-lius-x-23-a-letter-to-helix-fangirls/92-678864/#21).

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#143 Posted by OldManJoe (94 posts) - - Show Bio

We are told the series was ending before the split between Hellion and X-23 in issue 19, so I don't think that is the reason.

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