Wonder Woman's sword and shield problem

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#1 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate the way most artists display Diana with a sword and shield. Especially when she uses them against ALLIES. This does not mean she should never touch a sword and shield but that DC editorial needs to step up and say when and where lethal weaponry should be drawn on her.

HOWEVER, even when she is depicted with a sword and shield she is often under powered or some how less deadly then she was without weaponry. Its completely odd and makes you wonder why bother with her weaponry if she is only going to be jobbing or worse. Diana with a sword and shield should be 10x more deadly then without them and yet instead of this....

We get this...

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She's sloppy, Attacks her own teammates, gets slower reflexes, and is blind/unaware of enemies around her etc...

I just.. Can't.. With.. DC.. Why call her an unconquerable warrior if your not going to show her such.

SMH.

I blame poor research and fight choreography by artists.

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#2 Posted by TrueThemyscira (401 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why I miss Marston/Peter's WW and earlier versions of her (Perez). Diana was such a badass and she was intelligent. She had incredible feats and was truly a warrior. Current WW is so watered down from previous versions and it's been like this for too long. The New 52 surely didn't help.

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#3 Posted by TrueThemyscira (401 posts) - - Show Bio

I also blame poor research and lack of knowledge/understanding.

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#4 Posted by Itachus17 (3598 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why I miss Marston/Peter's WW and earlier versions of her (Perez). Diana was such a badass and she was intelligent. She had incredible feats and was truly a warrior. Current WW is so watered down from previous versions and it's been like this for too long. The New 52 surely didn't help.

I also blame poor research and lack of knowledge/understanding.

This, so much this.

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#5 Posted by TrueThemyscira (401 posts) - - Show Bio

Long story short, WW fans never get anything good.

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#6 Posted by Archizooom (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

Just when I thought I couldn't hate the sword any more than I already did for all the reasons mentioned in the OP, today Wonder Woman went and dropped it on the floor, a jihadist then picked it up and killed a nun with it. She also held it to her son's throat just a couple of months ago. We should collect all the stupid stuff Wonder Woman does with her sword right here on this thread, can anyone pin it?

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#7 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

Just when I thought I couldn't hate the sword any more than I already did for all the reasons mentioned in the OP, today Wonder Woman went and dropped it on the floor, a jihadist then picked it up and killed a nun with it. She also held it to her son's throat just a couple of months ago. We should collect all the stupid stuff Wonder Woman does with her sword right here on this thread, can anyone pin it?

I could not believe what I read tbh. All that just to begin a story revolving around Batman, again. She had no super speed, she just stood there and did nothing while the sword was on the ground. Its amazing how backwards Diana has been going; first she was a skilled and tactical fighter using lethal weapons as a last resort, Then she was blood thirsty warrior woman, now she's an unskilled skilled klutz.

By all means that's half the reason I made this thread. Point out what an actual skilled warrior is (Pyrrha Nikos, a better Wonder Woman then Wonder Woman right now and she's dead) vs the trash DC is presenting Diana to be.

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#8 Edited by SmilingPangoro (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I hoping that the uhh "accident" with her sword in the latest Justice League issue is going to be brought up in the next few issues to serve as a way of pointing out that her carrying it around everywhere can be detrimental if something happens. Even if that moment was bullshit.

I mean, I'm okay with the sword as long as it's used when fighting monsters or whenever her enemies are also using similar weapons. Definitely not against other heroes! She's already very capable with her lasso and as said, she seems to fight worse with her sword.

When she pulls out the sword, it should be something like a"Oh shit, she's serious!" moment.

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#9 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

I hoping that the uhh "accident" with her sword in the latest Justice League issue is going to be brought up in the next few issues to serve as a way of pointing out that her carrying it around everywhere can be detrimental if something happens. Even if that moment was bullshit.

I mean, I'm okay with the sword as long as it's used when fighting monsters or whenever her enemies are also using similar weapons. Definitely not against other heroes! She's already very capable with her lasso and as said, she seems to fight worse with her sword.

When she pulls out the sword, it should be something like a"Oh shit, she's serious!" moment.

Unfortunately most artists and writers don't feel that way and just draw it on her for a cool factor rather then ask themselves "why does she have a sword and shield in this situation?"

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#10 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's the new infamous scan, wonder what the NEXT one is?

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#11 Posted by Archizooom (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Save a few exceptions here and there, the plot prevents Wonder Woman from being skillful with her sword because her opponent is simply not supposed to die. She's not allowed to be very good unless she's just julienning parademons or fighting a monster

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#12 Edited by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizooom: True. Though the idea of immortal gods suggests that she could show off her skill against them rather then fight her team with an atom cutting sword.

What's more is that there are plenty of legendary tribes in Greek myth that she could display her lethal skills. Peace being the first option before any sort of combat.

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#13 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizooom: True. Though the idea of immortal gods suggests that she could show off her skill against them rather then fight her team with an atom cutting sword.

What's more is that there are plenty of legendary tribes in Greek myth that she could display her lethal skills. Peace being the first option before any sort of combat.

Context is important, people.

First, in the shown scans of her fighting her teammates, let's remember that Wonder Woman wasn't showing up to fight her team. They became an issue while a massive war was going on. And Superman was already being a massive prick after becoming the God of Strength.

Secondly, are you saying she should try to befriend Doomsday? I'm all for piece, but you literally should pick your battles. Doomsday is not one to be swayed.

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#14 Edited by HandOfPrometheus (882 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate WW with sword and shield. Prefer her strength with tiara and lasso.

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#15 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv said:
@masterwitcher88 said:

@archizooom: True. Though the idea of immortal gods suggests that she could show off her skill against them rather then fight her team with an atom cutting sword.

What's more is that there are plenty of legendary tribes in Greek myth that she could display her lethal skills. Peace being the first option before any sort of combat.

Context is important, people.

First, in the shown scans of her fighting her teammates, let's remember that Wonder Woman wasn't showing up to fight her team. They became an issue while a massive war was going on. And Superman was already being a massive prick after becoming the God of Strength.

Secondly, are you saying she should try to befriend Doomsday? I'm all for piece, but you literally should pick your battles. Doomsday is not one to be swayed.

And? does that give her permission to use deadly force on GL? She shouldn't hold back against teammates? as for Superman I ask the same questions. SM was eventually brought back in the right state mind when she decided to be Wonder Woman and use the lasso on him rather then attempt to cut him up.

No, I'd love to see a long fight between her and Doomsday were she uses weaponry PROPERLY i.e. with tactical thinking and skill rather then have her show up only to lose to make Superman even more impressive when he beats Doomsday, just like in SM/WW and some what like in Action Comics.

As I stated I don't mind her using a sword and shield or dual swords for that matter. Its not just a matter of when she uses it but how as well.

"HOWEVER, even when she is depicted with a sword and shield she is often under powered or some how less deadly then she was without weaponry. Its completely odd and makes you wonder why bother with her weaponry if she is only going to be jobbing or worse. Diana with a sword and shield should be 10x more deadly then without them"

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#16 Posted by Archizooom (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Doomsday is off-limits to anyone BUT Superman because it's the creature that killed him, Superman is supposed to be the only one who can stop it, which means Wonder Woman, at the best of times, can only hang with Doomsday for a few minutes. In other words, she's sure to perform worse than Superman (bare-knuckled) despite her sword and shield which, on paper, should give Wonder Woman a huge advantage

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#17 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Doomsday is off-limits to anyone BUT Superman because it's the creature that killed him, Superman is supposed to be the only one who can stop it, which means Wonder Woman, at the best of times, can only hang with Doomsday for a few minutes. In other words, she's sure to perform worse than Superman (bare-knuckled) despite her sword and shield which, on paper, should give Wonder Woman a huge advantage

Perfect Clones is an option. Darkseid has cloned him before what's stopping him from doing it again and perfecting it.

But I get it. She's more than likely going to be jobbing against Doomsday even with her reflexes and atom cutting sword its a shame really.

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#18 Edited by TheHercules (963 posts) - - Show Bio
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Normally, she should be like that, and if is suppose to use the Sword and Shield, put on the back and use it when it's necessary.

Let's suppose she is Fighting Thor, and he is 10 feets away from her and decides to throw mjolnir, so she quickly grab and use to defend herself.

She is fighting a Guy with a strong body/armor, and decides to use the sword to going all out to defeat him or to cut and stab him, so do this.

I think she should never use both of them at the same time or at least long enough to make a disadvantage or make the lasso, bracelets and strength seems useless (which can not happen because this is who she is and make her unique) , if she gonna do this, do that for a battle tatic that should during less than minutes!

Those are my thoughts

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#19 Edited by Archizooom (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

Veronica's pressing charges against Diana for assaulting an employee with a lethal weapon, that's just too goddamn funny. Warrior Woman had it coming

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#20 Posted by agent41 (15893 posts) - - Show Bio

Veronica's pressing charges against Diana for assaulting an employee with a lethal weapon, that's just too goddamn funny. Warrior Woman had it coming

gww doesn't seem to be interested in Wonder Woman's verse itself. Her approach so far doesn't make Wonder Woman and her verse feel epic and wonderful.

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