Wonder Woman story ideas discussion thread

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#1 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is dedicated to any ideas for Diana and her Universe. A sort of free thinking thread to share ideas for stories, settings, themes, side characters, villains, powers/abilities, equipment, etc.....

  • Feel free to have constructive criticism
  • Be civil

I'll start.

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#2 Edited by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

*Example*

Zara (villain update) Story Idea...

"The past of Zara was that she was an Arab girl and wore belly dancer attire. According to her tales, she was sold into slavery as a child; which created in her an intense hatred of men. Using a flair for pyrotechnics, she eventually created a new religion (The Cult of The Crimson Flame), which had swept the globe. Zara rigged various fire-based effects to dazzle her followers and keep them in thrall to her. After her initial defeat by Wonder Woman, the Cult went underground"

"The lovely red-haired high priestess of the mystic Cult of the Crimson Flame, a "new religion" that has begun "sweeping the world". Its symbol is an eerie "crimson flame" that appears out of nowhere at the behest of the high priestess, hanging suspended in midair and inscribing mysterious flaming messages to cow the members of the cult - the so-called "flame slaves" - into abject obedience."

I LOVE that the pyrotechnics are gone and the Crimson Flame is something she innately has. But, COME ON turning her to hired muscle. She was the high priestess of a cult, a new religion literally dedicated to her, that she started.

I'd have the Crimson Flame be an aspect of the God Wave that became so powerful it gained sentience and removed its self from the wave early in its creation. It desired a host, someone who shared its love of worship (seeing as its an aspect of the GOD Wave) and pyro-destruction (cause its fire). It would move from host to host through out the universe from the beginning of time, seeing as the Flame was immortal not the beings it attached itself to, until it made its way to earth and to Zara.

The Crimson Flame would posses the power of a massive super star. It grants the user Godlike Strength (near star level), Godlike Durability (star level) and Godlike Speed (FTL, cause you know its light). The destructive capabilities of a supernova and its flames would be dozens of times hotter then the sun, let alone melt concrete. It can also allow the user to warp reality seeing as its a part of the God Wave. Imagine the Fire Lord from A:TLA but way way more powerful and even more godlike.

Zara would not only become infatuated with her position as the High Priestess of her own cult but she would become more and more dependent on the Flame, it would speak to her, manipulate her, like a parasite.

When Diana learns of the Cult she quickly destroys it and its temple. Diana then defeats Zara after a brutal battle. Zara learns that she doesn't possess immortality and that when she dies the Flame will leave, knowing this she tends to gain immortality to keep the Flame (and its power) for herself and return The Cult of the Crimson Flame so she may become its High Priestess forever.

  • What do you guys/gals think?
  • Thoughts, Feelings, Changes, Improvements?
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#3 Posted by PurplePerson (931 posts) - - Show Bio

I would use an Amazon that grows tired of life on Themyscira and finds a way to leave to join Diana in Man’s World. Let’s say Sofia, who was a finalist in the contest. She believes in the same ideals as the rest of the Amazons, but she has a more relaxed, carefree attitude. Once she meets Diana, they quickly pick up their friendship and Sofia becomes a regular part of the book as an ally to Wonder Woman.

This relationship between the two will become central to the book for months, but of course there will be other villainy that they have to stop along the way, I’ve just not thought of those exact storylines yet. The point is the two become very close and come through many tough battles together.

But then Sofia witnesses something really bad. Let’s say it’s the effects of some war in some distant country. As an Amazon, she knows of war and is prepared, but the scale of the carnage, the human rights violations and the sheer hatred that must have been at the route of this disaster are alien to her. She grows increasingly repulsed by the world of men and begins to feel they don’t deserve her help.

Naturally, Diana notices and sympathises with Sofia. She attempts to show Sofia that the good in people outweighs the bad and that there is hope that mankind can genuinely live in peace, they are here to help making that dream a reality. This somewhat reassures Sofia, though she remains a bit doubtful.

Just when Sofia is beginning to get over her trauma, she begins seeing more people suffering and dying and she is powerless to help them. It seems to be happening all the time and it’s all she can think about. Quite quickly, she seems to be going insane. She wants to save the world, but she can’t. She wants to go home, but she can’t. She wants to be as strong as Diana, but she can’t be.

Disgusted with the world around her, she becomes a vigilante, happy to brutalise the criminals she sees on the streets.

Noticing this slip towards violence, Wonder Woman of course tries everything she can to stop this. After a brief fight, she uses the lasso to attempt to show Sofia the truth as Diana sees it: that Sofia is a good person who is trying the best that she can to help the world. While doing so, Diana begins to understand how Sofia sees things and what the truth is from her perspective is very different to Diana’s.

This meeting of minds manages to relax Sofia to some extent as the suffering she sees ceases, but Diana still doesn’t know what brought on such madness and despair. She knows about Sofia’s original traumatic experience, but she doesn’t know that Sofia has been seeing suffering all around her, as she was never in the right state of mind to actually explain this. Diana does know that she is genuinely sorry for what she has done and wants to be rehabilitated.

It’s revealed to the reader that Dr. Psycho was the one who had caused this whole problem (not her initial problem at the warzone, but everything afterwards). Diana wants to stay with Sofia, but superhero duty calls and she has to save the day, so Psycho uses this opportunity to create the illusion of Wonder Woman brutalising an innocent man trapped in her lasso.

Sofia, who is again quite mad, confronts Wonder Woman and we have an awesome and emotional fight that Diana eventually wins. Wonder Woman also figures out that Dr. Psycho is behind this and an enraged Diana confronts him and deals with him.

Sofia then begins the long process of coming to terms with what was done to her and what she herself did...

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#4 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@purpleperson: This sounds really cool.

I'd really showcase the power differences between Sofia and Diana to emphasize Sofia's feels of powerlessness in comparison. Also when Sofia becomes a vigilante we can reintroduce the Gauntlets of Atlas, Sandals of Hermes, and other old equipment Diana had to make Sofia potentially more powerful then Diana. So the confrontations between the two aren't just grand on an emotional scale but in physical one as well.

As for the villains before Psycho shows up, it could be some one like Dr. Cyber and Blue Snowman selling advance weaponry to those countries and is partially responsibly for the massive humanitarian crisis there.

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#5 Posted by PurplePerson (931 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Yes, I like these additions, especially the idea to get Dr. Cyber involved.

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#6 Posted by Agent_Z (546 posts) - - Show Bio

So since I kind of prefer Diana as more a myth and folklore based character to give her something to set her apart from Superman and Batman,I was thinking of this idea of Jack Frost as her own ice villain. For those not familiar,Jack Frost is the personification of endless winter in english folklore. Depending on the story he's either a villain, a hero or something in between.

My idea was that, centuries ago, after a prank that went too far, a group of wizards bound Jack to a weaker form and altered his memories turning him into the villain Minister Blizzard. During a battle, Blizzard's memories are restored and he sets about to regain his lost power and true form.

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#7 Posted by Agent_Z (546 posts) - - Show Bio

So since I kind of prefer Diana as more a myth and folklore based character to give her something to set her apart from Superman and Batman,I was thinking of this idea of Jack Frost as her own ice villain. For those not familiar,Jack Frost is the personification of endless winter in english folklore. Depending on the story he's either a villain, a hero or something in between.

My idea was that, centuries ago, after a prank that went too far, a group of wizards bound Jack to a weaker form and altered his memories turning him into the villain Minister Blizzard. During a battle, Blizzard's memories are restored and he sets about to regain his lost power and true form.

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#8 Edited by Dernman (26457 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent_z: How about a villain from one of the other elements considering both Batman and Flash have Ice Villains. Maybe a Genie or djinni, of some sort who twists the wishes of mortals into horrible things.

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#9 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by Agent_Z (546 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: Well you already have Zara with her fire powers. I guess you could make her an Ifrit. Mind you, Frost would be different enough from Freeze and Cold. For starters, he'd actually have super powers.

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#11 Posted by comicfan_60 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

*Example*

Zara (villain update) Story Idea... "The past of Zara was that she was an Arab girl and wore belly dancer attire. According to her tales, she was sold into slavery as a child; which created in her an intense hatred of men. Using a flair for pyrotechnics, she eventually created a new religion (The Cult of The Crimson Flame), which had swept the globe. Zara rigged various fire-based effects to dazzle her followers and keep them in thrall to her. After her initial defeat by Wonder Woman, the Cult went underground"

"The lovely red-haired high priestess of the mystic Cult of the Crimson Flame, a "new religion" that has begun "sweeping the world". Its symbol is an eerie "crimson flame" that appears out of nowhere at the behest of the high priestess, hanging suspended in midair and inscribing mysterious flaming messages to cow the members of the cult - the so-called "flame slaves" - into abject obedience."

I LOVE that the pyrotechnics are gone and the Crimson Flame is something she innately has. But, COME ON turning her to hired muscle. She was the high priestess of a cult, a new religion literally dedicated to her, that she started.

I'd have the Crimson Flame be an aspect of the God Wave that became so powerful it gained sentience and removed its self from the wave early in its creation. It desired a host, someone who shared its love of worship (seeing as its an aspect of the GOD Wave) and pyro-destruction (cause its fire). It would move from host to host through out the universe from the beginning of time, seeing as the Flame was immortal not the beings it attached itself to, until it made its way to earth and to Zara.

The Crimson Flame would posses the power of a massive super star. It grants the user Godlike Strength (near star level), Godlike Durability (star level) and Godlike Speed (FTL, cause you know its light). The destructive capabilities of a supernova and its flames would be dozens of times hotter then the sun, let alone melt concrete. It can also allow the user to warp reality seeing as its a part of the God Wave. Imagine the Fire Lord from A:TLA but way way more powerful and even more godlike.

Zara would not only become infatuated with her position as the High Priestess of her own cult but she would become more and more dependent on the Flame, it would speak to her, manipulate her, like a parasite.

When Diana learns of the Cult she quickly destroys it and its temple. Diana then defeats Zara after a brutal battle. Zara learns that she doesn't possess immortality and that when she dies the Flame will leave, knowing this she tends to gain immortality to keep the Flame (and its power) for herself and return The Cult of the Crimson Flame so she may become its High Priestess forever.

What do you guys/gals think?Thoughts, Feelings, Changes, Improvements?

This is really good but the sentient flame moving host reminds too much of the phoenix force. Perhaps a different characterization for the flame would be better?

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#12 Posted by comicfan_60 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

I would use an Amazon that grows tired of life on Themyscira and finds a way to leave to join Diana in Man’s World. Let’s say Sofia, who was a finalist in the contest. She believes in the same ideals as the rest of the Amazons, but she has a more relaxed, carefree attitude. Once she meets Diana, they quickly pick up their friendship and Sofia becomes a regular part of the book as an ally to Wonder Woman.

This relationship between the two will become central to the book for months, but of course there will be other villainy that they have to stop along the way, I’ve just not thought of those exact storylines yet. The point is the two become very close and come through many tough battles together.

But then Sofia witnesses something really bad. Let’s say it’s the effects of some war in some distant country. As an Amazon, she knows of war and is prepared, but the scale of the carnage, the human rights violations and the sheer hatred that must have been at the route of this disaster are alien to her. She grows increasingly repulsed by the world of men and begins to feel they don’t deserve her help.

Naturally, Diana notices and sympathises with Sofia. She attempts to show Sofia that the good in people outweighs the bad and that there is hope that mankind can genuinely live in peace, they are here to help making that dream a reality. This somewhat reassures Sofia, though she remains a bit doubtful.

Just when Sofia is beginning to get over her trauma, she begins seeing more people suffering and dying and she is powerless to help them. It seems to be happening all the time and it’s all she can think about. Quite quickly, she seems to be going insane. She wants to save the world, but she can’t. She wants to go home, but she can’t. She wants to be as strong as Diana, but she can’t be.

Disgusted with the world around her, she becomes a vigilante, happy to brutalise the criminals she sees on the streets.

Noticing this slip towards violence, Wonder Woman of course tries everything she can to stop this. After a brief fight, she uses the lasso to attempt to show Sofia the truth as Diana sees it: that Sofia is a good person who is trying the best that she can to help the world. While doing so, Diana begins to understand how Sofia sees things and what the truth is from her perspective is very different to Diana’s.

This meeting of minds manages to relax Sofia to some extent as the suffering she sees ceases, but Diana still doesn’t know what brought on such madness and despair. She knows about Sofia’s original traumatic experience, but she doesn’t know that Sofia has been seeing suffering all around her, as she was never in the right state of mind to actually explain this. Diana does know that she is genuinely sorry for what she has done and wants to be rehabilitated.

It’s revealed to the reader that Dr. Psycho was the one who had caused this whole problem (not her initial problem at the warzone, but everything afterwards). Diana wants to stay with Sofia, but superhero duty calls and she has to save the day, so Psycho uses this opportunity to create the illusion of Wonder Woman brutalising an innocent man trapped in her lasso.

Sofia, who is again quite mad, confronts Wonder Woman and we have an awesome and emotional fight that Diana eventually wins. Wonder Woman also figures out that Dr. Psycho is behind this and an enraged Diana confronts him and deals with him.

Sofia then begins the long process of coming to terms with what was done to her and what she herself did...

@purpleperson: This sounds really cool.

I'd really showcase the power differences between Sofia and Diana to emphasize Sofia's feels of powerlessness in comparison. Also when Sofia becomes a vigilante we can reintroduce the Gauntlets of Atlas, Sandals of Hermes, and other old equipment Diana had to make Sofia potentially more powerful then Diana. So the confrontations between the two aren't just grand on an emotional scale but in physical one as well.

As for the villains before Psycho shows up, it could be some one like Dr. Cyber and Blue Snowman selling advance weaponry to those countries and is partially responsibly for the massive humanitarian crisis there.

This is cool. I would end it by Sofia deciding to become an agent for Diana and Diana has her investigate magical anomalies around the world

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#13 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

Atë (villain idea)

Atë, She is known as the Greek goddess of evil, misfortune, obsession, guilt, infatuation, and mischief. She was known to lure Heroes and Heroines into actions that would end in their demise usually.

"In Homer'sIliad (Book 19) she is called eldest daughter of Zeus with no mother mentioned. On Hera's instigation she used her influence over Zeus so that he swore an oath that on that day a mortal descended from him would be born who would be a great ruler. Hera immediately arranged to delay the birth of Heracles and to bring forth Eurystheus prematurely. In anger Zeus threw Atë down to earth forever, forbidding that she ever return to heaven or to Mt. Olympus. Atë then wandered about, treading on the heads of men rather than on the earth, wreaking havoc on mortals."

Sounds like a real good reason to screw with Diana, a favored daughter of Zeus and Greek Heroine.

She'd look something like this....

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She'd be well spoken, cold, wise, someone who knows how powerful she is and isn't afraid to display it. SHE IS NOT ANOTHER CRAZY CHICK. She's not a joker and hates being interrupted. She isn't inherently violent but she will kill for enjoyment, after all she puts people in a position of death, she doesn't kill them herself. She loves word traps, duels of wit, hence the contracts; its litteraly the only way to beat her.

I'd have her be a GaunterO'Dimm like character. Someone that binds people to tricky contracts where in order to free your self you must out wit her. Like the old folklore stories about the devil.

Example....

"According to an old legend, Twardowski was a nobleman (szlachcic) who lived in Kraków in the 16th century. He sold his soul to the devil in exchange for great knowledge and magical powers. However, Twardowski wanted to outwit the devil by including a special clause in the contract, stating that the devil could only take Twardowski's soul to Hell during his visit to Rome – a place the sorcerer never intended to go.[1] Other variants of the story have Twardowski being sold to the devil as a child by his father.

With the devil's aid, Twardowski quickly rose to wealth and fame, eventually becoming a courtier of King Sigismund Augustus, who sought consolation in magic and astrology after the death of his beloved wife, Barbara Radziwiłł.[3] He was said to have summoned the ghost of the late queen to comfort the grieving king, using a magic mirror.[3] The sorcerer also wrote two books, both dictated to him by the devil – a book on magic and an encyclopedia.

After years of evading his fate, Twardowski was eventually tricked by the devil and caught not in the city, but at an inn called Rzym (Rome in Polish)."

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#14 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88 said:

*Example*

Zara (villain update) Story Idea... "The past of Zara was that she was an Arab girl and wore belly dancer attire. According to her tales, she was sold into slavery as a child; which created in her an intense hatred of men. Using a flair for pyrotechnics, she eventually created a new religion (The Cult of The Crimson Flame), which had swept the globe. Zara rigged various fire-based effects to dazzle her followers and keep them in thrall to her. After her initial defeat by Wonder Woman, the Cult went underground"

"The lovely red-haired high priestess of the mystic Cult of the Crimson Flame, a "new religion" that has begun "sweeping the world". Its symbol is an eerie "crimson flame" that appears out of nowhere at the behest of the high priestess, hanging suspended in midair and inscribing mysterious flaming messages to cow the members of the cult - the so-called "flame slaves" - into abject obedience."

I LOVE that the pyrotechnics are gone and the Crimson Flame is something she innately has. But, COME ON turning her to hired muscle. She was the high priestess of a cult, a new religion literally dedicated to her, that she started.

I'd have the Crimson Flame be an aspect of the God Wave that became so powerful it gained sentience and removed its self from the wave early in its creation. It desired a host, someone who shared its love of worship (seeing as its an aspect of the GOD Wave) and pyro-destruction (cause its fire). It would move from host to host through out the universe from the beginning of time, seeing as the Flame was immortal not the beings it attached itself to, until it made its way to earth and to Zara.

The Crimson Flame would posses the power of a massive super star. It grants the user Godlike Strength (near star level), Godlike Durability (star level) and Godlike Speed (FTL, cause you know its light). The destructive capabilities of a supernova and its flames would be dozens of times hotter then the sun, let alone melt concrete. It can also allow the user to warp reality seeing as its a part of the God Wave. Imagine the Fire Lord from A:TLA but way way more powerful and even more godlike.

Zara would not only become infatuated with her position as the High Priestess of her own cult but she would become more and more dependent on the Flame, it would speak to her, manipulate her, like a parasite.

When Diana learns of the Cult she quickly destroys it and its temple. Diana then defeats Zara after a brutal battle. Zara learns that she doesn't possess immortality and that when she dies the Flame will leave, knowing this she tends to gain immortality to keep the Flame (and its power) for herself and return The Cult of the Crimson Flame so she may become its High Priestess forever.

What do you guys/gals think?Thoughts, Feelings, Changes, Improvements?

This is really good but the sentient flame moving host reminds too much of the phoenix force. Perhaps a different characterization for the flame would be better?

Didn't realize that till now. I'm sure I can think of a different characterization, until then I kind of like the idea of the Crimson Flame being Diana's personal PF.

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#15 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

My idea is to repackage Cheetah as an antiques dealer. Her first order of business is to get rid of her competitors, eat them and seize their merchandise. She loots the vaults of A.R.G.U.S, museums and private collections leaving a trail a blood in her wake. Further, she makes use of her archeological skills to dig up ancient artifacts, then sells them in the black market, she's a one-woman enterprise. This makes Cheetah a recurring nightmare for Diana because any weapon or ex machina that can be used against Wonder Woman is in her possession, plus she's elusive and powerful in her own right, she's the apex predator

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#16 Edited by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizooom said:

My idea is to repackage Cheetah as an antiques dealer. Her first order of business is to get rid of her competitors, eat them and seize their merchandise. She loots the vaults of A.R.G.U.S, museums and private collections leaving a trail a blood in her wake. Further, she makes use of her archeological skills to dig up ancient artifacts, then sells them in the black market, she's a one-woman enterprise. This makes Cheetah a recurring nightmare for Diana because any weapon or ex machina that can be used against Wonder Woman is in her possession, plus she's elusive and powerful in her own right, she's the apex predator

She should maintain urzkartaga's curse IMO. If she stay's in human form too long she feels intense pain that can't be stopped and if she's in cheetah form she risks becoming rabid, desiring human flesh. That makes her more illusive and harder to track, giving Diana the ability to show off her tracking skills. Playing a revolving game of hunter/prey.

Other than that this is a good way to make her a reoccurring villain.

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#17 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: I didn't articulate it very well but the idea was that Barbara started a new chapter in her life as an antiques dealer after the Urzkartaga curse, making the most of her newfound super-powers to control the black market of ancient magic artifacts. I don't like the idea that she can transform back and forth though to be honest with you, I like that she feels trapped in her body, Cheetah can't come to grips with how dreadful she looks, she's in a world of hurt

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#18 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: I didn't articulate it very well but the idea was that Barbara started a new chapter in her life as an antiques dealer after the Urzkartaga curse, making the most of her newfound super-powers to control the black market of ancient magic artifacts. I don't like the idea that she can transform back and forth though to be honest with you, I like that she feels trapped in her body, Cheetah can't come to grips with how dreadful she looks, she's in a world of hurt

Mind if I ask, but is your version human or is she still transformed?

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#19 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: I mean the curse forced Barbara to leave her old life behind and start anew as a man-eating monster, she's not just gonna wander about in the grasslands of Serengeti, she's still got her PhDs. So, yes, she's a were-cheetah but goes to great lengths to pass as human lol

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#20 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: I mean the curse forced Barbara to leave her old life behind and start anew as a man-eating monster, she's not just gonna wander about in the grasslands of Serengeti, she's still got her PhDs. So, yes, she's a were-cheetah but goes to great lengths to pass as human lol

I think the fur, claws and teeth might make it difficult for her to blend in as an antiques dealer :)

Actually I was thinking that she had been cured of the curse, but now she was tomb raiding for various mystic artifacts, like a combination of Lara Croft and Catwoman.

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#21 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Picture a naked cat that's had work done on its face, with a wig on, gloves, 17 layers of makeup and a full-circle skirt, designed by Fiona Staples-- that's what she looks like in my head lol I know it's a little bit out there and that's the way I like it

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#22 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Picture a naked cat that's had work done on its face, with a wig on, gloves, 17 layers of makeup and a full-circle skirt, designed by Fiona Staples-- that's what she looks like in my head lol I know it's a little bit out there and that's the way I like it

Well it's an interesting idea... but to be honest, I think it's going to be hard to pull off day after day. Especially with Sharp's version. I'll give you that the Dolores or Priscilla versions could be perfect for this (where 'the Cheetah' is a kind of brand in the underworld because how fast she can gets stuff).

Come to think of it, you could still have a were-cat person in this. Leave Barbara as the 'Savage Cheetah', and reintroduce Priscilla as another archeologist or tomb raider who had a mcguffin blow up in her face making her look like an anime cat-woman, she's not anywhere near Barbara physically, she might have enhanced agility, but that's about it, if she needs to actually fight Diana she will however pull out a trinket she just found somewhere. She's clever, she dresses sharply, she's ruthless... and she could be connected to Veronica Cale and the recent influx of new villains irritating Diana.

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#23 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Actually the Rebirth Cheetah was my starting point, she's had a nose job, waxed all the hair off and, although she looks like the stuff of nightmares, she feels a little bit better about herself. But I also like your idea of there being more than one Cheetah, sometimes male cheetahs form coalitions and the one with the strongest personality, not necessarily the biggest/strongest, becomes the leader so that could Priscilla, the others being Barbara, Deborah and Sebastian

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#24 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan_60: @archizooom: @agent41:

This isn't so much an idea (cause its blatant stealing at this point)but...if Strife became the *new* Circe (i.e. her psycho personality)...I've always seen Circe more as a powerful, elegant, manipulating, goddess level sorceress.

She'd maintain her post-crisis origin of essentially stealing the soul and power of the Goddess Hecate, basically becoming Hecate herself.

She'd maintain her attraction with Ares and still have her daughter Lyta. Everything that's happened with her in the past is canon. The ordeal with the amazons, the civil war she started, reviving medusa, etc...

More recently I've fell in love with Eclipsa Butterfly in Star vs the Forces of Evil and feel as if though her personality perfectly encapsulates the way I see Circe being. Her relationship with her daughter (Meteora). And more respectfully her presence, demeanor, and power that she emulates.

Examples....

*Just her theme*

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*Her mysterious, elegant, and manipulating personality*

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*Her power and the moment I truly fell in love with the character*

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THAT FINALE SPELL!!! Black. Velvet. Inferno. sent shivers down my spine.

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#25 Edited by comicfan_60 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88 said:

@comicfan_60: @archizooom: @agent41:

This isn't so much an idea (cause its blatant stealing at this point)but...if Strife became the *new* Circe (i.e. her psycho personality)...I've always seen Circe more as a powerful, elegant, manipulating, goddess level sorceress.

She'd maintain her post-crisis origin of essentially stealing the soul and power of the Goddess Hecate, basically becoming Hecate herself.

She'd maintain her attraction with Ares and still have her daughter Lyta. Everything that's happened with her in the past is canon. The ordeal with the amazons, the civil war she started, reviving medusa, etc...

More recently I've fell in love with Eclipsa Butterfly in Star vs the Forces of Evil and feel as if though her personality perfectly encapsulates the way I see Circe being. Her relationship with her daughter (Meteora). And more respectfully her presence, demeanor, and power that she emulates.

Examples....

*Just her theme*

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*Her mysterious, elegant, and manipulating personality*

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*Her power and the moment I truly fell in love with the character*

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THAT FINALE SPELL!!! Black. Velvet. Inferno. sent shivers down my spine.

They should also consider bringing strife back. She was one of the few interesting parts of new 52 WW run.

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#27 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41 said:

@masterwitcher88: If DC listened to fans, but we know DC doesn't care.

So you like the idea of Circe being a more evil Eclipsa?

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#28 Posted by agent41 (16084 posts) - - Show Bio

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@masterwitcher88: If DC listened to fans, but we know DC doesn't care.

So you like the idea of Circe being a more evil Eclipsa?

It can work. But i am not very familiar with the show, so i'm probably not the best one to judge.

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#29 Posted by Tedirey (3082 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve Trevor as Captain Wonder

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#30 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

How about a revamp/restructuring of Diana's enemies so they do the same kind of thing that makes Batman's villains so good: that reflect something thats also found in the hero on some level? Like, we as fans make the connections all the time, but often enough it goes unmentioned on the page because quite often Diana and her foes are busy too beating each other up. It doesn't take much really, a mention of how in one aspect they are very similar and yet completely different.

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#31 Posted by SaintWildcard (22102 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the notion of an evil Male Amazon would have been cool to see, after Azz's run. And considering they gave her a brother, it could have been him or whatever. A villain who can make incredible weapons could make for an interesting threat to Wonder WOman.

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#32 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the notion of an evil Male Amazon would have been cool to see, after Azz's run. And considering they gave her a brother, it could have been him or whatever. A villain who can make incredible weapons could make for an interesting threat to Wonder WOman.

I like the idea of Jason staying evil. Maybe he gets fed up being in WW's shadow and not allowed to shine as a "hero". It would be perfectly ironic cause that's what he was/and still is doing to her in her book.

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#33 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Hecate was a highly revered and respected goddess, even by Zeus so Circe should be one of Wonder Woman's most powerful villains, perhaps even a villain for the Justice League (Dark)

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#34 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: Hecate was a highly revered and respected goddess, even by Zeus so Circe should be one of Wonder Woman's most powerful villains, perhaps even a villain for the Justice League (Dark)

Agreed I hope they bring back that origin for her, rather then the new one they did in trinity (were she sold her soul to a dimension in hell or something/ can't remember it was kind of stupid). She is IMO Diana's Joker/Lex i.e. main villain.

But do you like her personality now(if it was established in rebirth) or as a more evil Eclipsa as I suggested? I feel if she was like her post-crisis self (i.e. personality) it would conflict with other psycho sorceresses/gods like Strife.

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#35 Posted by comicfan_60 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: I like her personality post crisis. If strife doesn't come back then I'd like her to stay the same. If they do introduce Strife again then maybe circe's character can change into something else. I haven't seen that show so can't say much about eclipsa. Looks cool from those videos though.

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#36 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: I liked that she as a contract witch but aside from that, Circe didn't do anything for me, Strife was a far more compelling character. Say what you want about the new 52 but Wonder Woman's supporting cast was pretty darn good, just wish Cheetah had been part of it

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#37 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizooom said:

@masterwitcher88: Hecate was a highly revered and respected goddess, even by Zeus so Circe should be one of Wonder Woman's most powerful villains, perhaps even a villain for the Justice League (Dark)

Agreed I hope they bring back that origin for her, rather then the new one they did in trinity (were she sold her soul to a dimension in hell or something/ can't remember it was kind of stupid). She is IMO Diana's Joker/Lex i.e. main villain.

Personally the version of Hecate I would want DC to use is Neil Gaiman's, where the identity of Hecate is just one of many triple goddess' that's appeared across many cultures, like the Norns, the Morrigan or the Fury's. Not just because I like that they are completely cryptic and completely uncaring about who they are talking to (it's always grandma talking) and because they are the only version that I know of that's not a stereotypical evil witch-god.

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#38 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88 said:
@archizooom said:

@masterwitcher88: Hecate was a highly revered and respected goddess, even by Zeus so Circe should be one of Wonder Woman's most powerful villains, perhaps even a villain for the Justice League (Dark)

Agreed I hope they bring back that origin for her, rather then the new one they did in trinity (were she sold her soul to a dimension in hell or something/ can't remember it was kind of stupid). She is IMO Diana's Joker/Lex i.e. main villain.

Personally the version of Hecate I would want DC to use is Neil Gaiman's, where the identity of Hecate is just one of many triple goddess' that's appeared across many cultures, like the Norns, the Morrigan or the Fury's. Not just because I like that they are completely cryptic and completely uncaring about who they are talking to (it's always grandma talking) and because they are the only version that I know of that's not a stereotypical evil witch-god.

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I mean the typical depiction of Hecate is a woman holding two torches often with three heads.

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The idea of triple Goddesses isn't limited to other myths either. In Greek myth there is the Graeae "grey ones". They aren't said to be Goddesses but technically you could call them that.

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#39 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean the typical depiction of Hecate is a woman holding two torches often with three heads.

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The idea of triple Goddesses isn't limited to other myths either. In Greek myth there is the Graeae "grey ones". They aren't said to be Goddesses but technically you could call them that.

I know, Gaiman primarily used them/her as the Graeae, at least in the guise I posted. Later on they would take on the guise of the Furies and be the ones of pretty much murder Morpheus, or push him to the point where his sister had to step in and make it peaceful. And in myths, because they/she is also the Fates or Norns, trusted by the gods themselves with their own fates.
In Gaiman's guise 'Hecate' is only a name for one aspect of what is a larger being that's beyond gods.

I just kinda like the idea that these three (or one) appear and set Diana off and she never knows if its for good or ill that they do it, if someone sent them or if they have their own agenda... she is doing the will of the gods, so her knowing what they are doing may not enter into it.

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#40 Edited by The_living_tribunal_24 (6689 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88: a crossover between wonder woman and powergirl. They both become lesbians, the rest is up to your imagination.

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#41 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean the typical depiction of Hecate is a woman holding two torches often with three heads.

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The idea of triple Goddesses isn't limited to other myths either. In Greek myth there is the Graeae "grey ones". They aren't said to be Goddesses but technically you could call them that.

I know, Gaiman primarily used them/her as the Graeae, at least in the guise I posted. Later on they would take on the guise of the Furies and be the ones of pretty much murder Morpheus, or push him to the point where his sister had to step in and make it peaceful. And in myths, because they/she is also the Fates or Norns, trusted by the gods themselves with their own fates.

In Gaiman's guise 'Hecate' is only a name for one aspect of what is a larger being that's beyond gods.

I just kinda like the idea that these three (or one) appear and set Diana off and she never knows if its for good or ill that they do it, if someone sent them or if they have their own agenda... she is doing the will of the gods, so her knowing what they are doing may not enter into it.

I can see the Graeae doing something like that. Sounds like a great set-up for a dark mystery story were the lines of right and wrong are burled. Dealing with the politics of Gods was an aspect I found intriguing in the Nu52. Just wish they were more powerful, and weren't dramatically different from post-crisis or even the myths.

But to my knowledge the Graeae, the Furies, and the Fates are all different people. So was Hecate shapeshifting into them for manipulation? I know Gaiman likes to use all the pantheons in conjunction with one another that's why I'm a bit confused.

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#42 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see the Graeae doing something like that. Sounds like a great set-up for a dark mystery story were the lines of right and wrong are burled. Dealing with the politics of Gods was an aspect I found intriguing in the Nu52. Just wish they were more powerful, and weren't dramatically different from post-crisis or even the myths.

But to my knowledge the Graeae, the Furies, and the Fates are all different people. So was Hecate shapeshifting into them for manipulation? I know Gaiman likes to use all the pantheons in conjunction with one another that's why I'm a bit confused.

Personally I was quite glad they were so different, because the post-crisis gods were so often depicted as stereotypes of themselves, and it gave the sense of these versions were more or less unique to DC. Like you couldn't put a hard-driking old man with no eyes somewhere else and not say: 'Oi thats DC's War!' As for power... I think that has more to do with context, or lack of it. We didn't get the impression of Apollo as being all that powerful in Wonder Woman, only that he was smarter than the others, but switch over to somewhere else and he's ragdolling Superman like a champ.

I think Gaiman was trying to make a unique setting where the Triple Goddess that appears in different cultures were all the same entity but viewed by different people at different times and settings, given different names and properties. In Greece they may have been different people in the minds of men and we've just blended them together since... kinda like how Ares is now considered the all-encompassing God of War in all the idea's aspects, when in olden days he was pretty much only the god of the battlefield and bravery.

But you are right, Gaiman likes to use all the gods when and as he pleases... American Gods is a great example of this, you dont know it for a good while in the book or in the show who Mr. Wednesday actually is supposed to be and he looks nothing like you'd imagine his better known self.

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#43 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see the Graeae doing something like that. Sounds like a great set-up for a dark mystery story were the lines of right and wrong are burled. Dealing with the politics of Gods was an aspect I found intriguing in the Nu52. Just wish they were more powerful, and weren't dramatically different from post-crisis or even the myths.

But to my knowledge the Graeae, the Furies, and the Fates are all different people. So was Hecate shapeshifting into them for manipulation? I know Gaiman likes to use all the pantheons in conjunction with one another that's why I'm a bit confused.

Personally I was quite glad they were so different, because the post-crisis gods were so often depicted as stereotypes of themselves, and it gave the sense of these versions were more or less unique to DC. Like you couldn't put a hard-driking old man with no eyes somewhere else and not say: 'Oi thats DC's War!' As for power... I think that has more to do with context, or lack of it. We didn't get the impression of Apollo as being all that powerful in Wonder Woman, only that he was smarter than the others, but switch over to somewhere else and he's ragdolling Superman like a champ.

I think Gaiman was trying to make a unique setting where the Triple Goddess that appears in different cultures were all the same entity but viewed by different people at different times and settings, given different names and properties. In Greece they may have been different people in the minds of men and we've just blended them together since... kinda like how Ares is now considered the all-encompassing God of War in all the idea's aspects, when in olden days he was pretty much only the god of the battlefield and bravery.

But you are right, Gaiman likes to use all the gods when and as he pleases... American Gods is a great example of this, you dont know it for a good while in the book or in the show who Mr. Wednesday actually is supposed to be and he looks nothing like you'd imagine his better known self.

"when people close their eyes to pray they see a different face" I remember that. That's what I loved about American Gods, and why I can't wait for season 2.

Other times they would break that stereotype, Ares was a push over in myth but in DC was depicted as a pantheon buster that could destroy a universe. He also wasn't a brute at one point outsmarting Highfather and Zeus even Hades, he was also nicknamed The Deceiver.

And then Superman being Superman gave back as good as he's got, same with SM meeting Hephaestus. Granted Apollo unknowingly amped him, which you would think being a god of prophesy would give him some insight of how the sun affects Kryptonians. But my main point is, post-crisis the Gods were literally untouchable without a weapon that was forged by them and even then they were immortal. Nu52 had them disappear from threats like Rao or have regular glass pierce their skin, every time they were mentioned in JL it would be about them dying or disappearing or having some else take over Olympus. To me they felt like shells of their former selves; weaker because now Wonder Woman was a god and we can barely show her to be as powerful as Superman let alone more powerful.

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#44 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

"when people close their eyes to pray they see a different face" I remember that. That's what I loved about American Gods, and why I can't wait for season 2.

Other times they would break that stereotype, Ares was a push over in myth but in DC was depicted as a pantheon buster that could destroy a universe. He also wasn't a brute at one point outsmarting Highfather and Zeus even Hades, he was also nicknamed The Deceiver.

And then Superman being Superman gave back as good as he's got, same with SM meeting Hephaestus. Granted Apollo unknowingly amped him, which you would think being a god of prophesy would give him some insight of how the sun affects Kryptonians. But my main point is, post-crisis the Gods were literally untouchable without a weapon that was forged by them and even then they were immortal. Nu52 had them disappear from threats like Rao or have regular glass pierce their skin, every time they were mentioned in JL it would be about them dying or disappearing or having some else take over Olympus. To me they felt like shells of their former selves; weaker because now Wonder Woman was a god and we can barely show her to be as powerful as Superman let alone more powerful.

I wish I could have finished watching it, but for some reason most of Amazon Prime's content can't be viewed where I am... not on my computer atleast, apparently my phone is fine :S

True, but in most modern depictions of Ares, he's pretty much always the badguy of the story and that he's something else in myths is usually left out.

I wouldn't really have counted on Apollo or any of the gods to really give all that much attention to anything other than their own family members, everyone else are just mortals and will be dead and gone soon enough for them. Not to mention, Apollo is if I am not mistaken not a prophet himself, he is just the patron of oracles and the like... like the first WW issue where he needed them to tell the future.
That however isn't so much different to how it's otherwise always been with the Gods, in the past it was just the New Gods who walked all over them, usually when no one was looking.

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#45 Posted by comicfan_60 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this can be considered part of story ideas as well, I did not create a new thread for this. But What do guys think about the new villains that are gonna be introduced for Wonder Woman post metal? We know they are called Dark Gods but any predictions on what or who they will be?

Will they be some version of someone we know already or completely new?

What do you want the Dark Gods to be?

Snyder said in an interview that he went to the creative teams working on each character to figure out the villains that were created for them post metal. I hope he consulted more people than just Robinson, coz unlike batman and superman writers he hasn't been on the book for long and we don't know how long he'll be on the book.

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#46 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this can be considered part of story ideas as well, I did not create a new thread for this. But What do guys think about the new villains that are gonna be introduced for Wonder Woman post metal?

They sound powerful as hell if they defeated every hero on earth. I'm hoping the battles will be impressive.

We know they are called Dark Gods but any predictions on what or who they will be?

Based on the shadow figures, I don't think they are the Titans. Which is a good thing I loved Luke's run and rather not have his villains be ruined.

Will they be some version of someone we know already or completely new?

That said the DGs seem like entirely new characters.

What do you want the Dark Gods to be?

I'd want them to be the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse but, that's mainly because I still think they would be excellent and powerful villains for her.

Snyder said in an interview that he went to the creative teams working on each character to figure out the villains that were created for them post metal. I hope he consulted more people than just Robinson, coz unlike batman and superman writers he hasn't been on the book for long and we don't know how long he'll be on the book.

Snyder speaking to Robinson maybe a good thing. Robinson may actually care about this story and have some interest in it. He may also start consistently showing Diana as godly powerhouse. Can't say anything on the writing though but at least there will be some proper direction this Snyder's assistance.

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#47 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

I really want Wonder Woman to have a giant white sausage tiger for a pet, maybe Circe can turn Jason into one. They really need to turn up the whimsy, why isn't Paradise Island teeming with fantastic animals?

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#48 Edited by TrueThemyscira (402 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizooom said:

I really want Wonder Woman to have a giant white sausage tiger for a pet, maybe Circe can turn Jason into one. They really need to turn up the whimsy, why isn't Paradise Island teeming with fantastic animals?

LMAO what?

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#49 Posted by Archizooom (2207 posts) - - Show Bio

@truethemyscira: I mean an oversized white tiger with an elongated torso that Diana can ride on ;P

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