@csg_cl said:
@dshipp17: I'm actually starting to believe you aren't very bright. Do you even realize that the circumstances of a woman looking down on a dweeb in high school are incredibly rare? Let's be very generous and say that 25% of all women globally are allowed to be educated beyond basic grammar school levels. Probably 80% of those women are in or from the US and Europe. Ultimately your talking about a handful of places where a woman might have the opportunity to mistreat a less desirable man. In at least 75% of the world women are not even like to be allowed to be educated, and in the places that do let them they are not strutting around like a queen bee. The vast majority of these women will have zero say in who they end up married to, assuming they are lucky enough to be married off to a man and not simply carted off to be raped and used as a baby factory.
No one is saying Psycho isn't intelligent or that he was rejected by women during his life, maybe it's even as bad as he contends and he was horribly bullied by these women. This is an EXCUSE he uses to justify his criminal behavior, nothing more. I tend to doubt that he was actually bullied because in the vast majority of cases of severe bullying it's almost always the bullied child harming themselves rather than others. Psycho has created a mythology around himself, but it doesn't add up to a workable reality when you start looking at it.
PS your desire to see Psycho and Diana date IS a derivative of Beauty and the Beast too. The story is world famous BECAUSE there are derivative stories in every culture. You can claim there are only 2'"distinct" versions, but you would be wrong.
“I'm actually starting to believe you aren't very bright. Do you even realize that the circumstances of a woman looking down on a dweeb in high school are incredibly rare?”
Well, with that said, you can’t even stay focused on the topic at hand, so, lets not go into wondering who’s bright and who may not be so bright. And, who said anything about, just high school? A woman looking down on a man as a dweeb is very common, as it's the fiber that forms social clique throughout the formative years in a social context, as well as in other contexts like employment, although with a bit of a different flavor; anybody that’s been involved in a social context, in the long term, such as all of the different forms of school and employment should know about social cliques; social cliques are formed by looking down on other people (e.g. especially male loners who may not be apart of a social clique at all, and that’s how psychologists invent terms related to impaired social development); and, the people at the bottom of this totem are the dweebs/ugly men. And, anybody who is honestly speaking from their experiences in a social context, especially back in school, can see girls/women mocking the dweebs/ugly men to increase their status in a social clique of other like minded women or to gain the approval of the jocks who are, in tern, mocking these men to increase their status with their cliques (e.g. and by jock, I mean any male who is set apart from the crowd in some way, in a context like high school, for some reason, which usually will not involve being good in class or making good grades); and, that’s extremely common, as high school, like other places are about forming social cliques; if you think, no...say, that this is rare, you’re either purposely being dishonest, don’t know what you’re talking about, in trying to win this discussion (e.g. brought on by your inability to stay focused), simply don’t want to acknowledge a reality (e.g. women aren’t all innocent victims of all men of every shape and stripe, and every man is not a perpetrator of these innocent women, if given an opportunity), or, the less likely case, so disconnected from recognizing a male who is being tormented (e.g. you might just dismiss it as them purposely choosing to be alone and so caught up on the reasons that these men are being mocked, not focusing on the source of the mockery) that you believe your junk. What, is your theory that all women look to comfort a man in distress, where they can be found, while all men look to create distress for both women and men, when the opportunity presents itself? Or, it might be rare, but only in the sense that women will not engage those men at all, draw them into initiating contact, and than reacting cruelly towards them; however, they will seek humor from the people about these men that they’re hanging out with; so, yeah, I might agree that it’s rare that you see a woman actually engage these men, as an initial matter, but, it’s clear who they’re drawing their source of humor, when they laugh out loud at these men, which is a distinction without much difference than initiating the contact to draw humor and raise their status in their specific cliques; but, clearly, these women think and give off the impression that they’re too good for these men in other clear ways and one way of showing that is by making sure that they’re only seen engaging with the jocks, when they do engage with men.
“Ultimately your talking about a handful of places where a woman might have the opportunity to mistreat a less desirable man.”
Sure, clearly, we’re talking about places where women have the opportunity to mistreat less desirable men in certain contexts that are more prominent; and, sure, except these handful of places are also called the developed world; but, there are likely other ways women can mistreat less desirable men, in these other places, also. And, I’m still not sure why you keep trying to shift the topic to that separate issue altogether (e.g. focusing on an issue that the media always skips, as nonexistent, less desirable men being mistreated by desirable women); are you trying to group all men as a big homogeneous block and say that is responsible for the suffering of women? Are you saying that for every positive gain a woman makes all men make them pay some place else on earth?
“In at least 75% of the world women are not even like to be allowed to be educated, and in the places that do let them they are not strutting around like a queen bee.”
Sure, they are, provided you know how social cliques work; it’s just done in their own way that is the benefit of a social clique (e.g. it could be as simple, but, also, as profound, as landing, or, being perceived, as landing, one of those jocks, depending on your prospective).
“The vast majority of these women will have zero say in who they end up married to, assuming they are lucky enough to be married off to a man and not simply carted off to be raped and used as a baby factory.”
As I said, because the marriage are arranged or have to be approved by their families, where arrange marriages are also family approved. And, guess what? These approved marriage are inevitably to a jock, just a different perspective of a jock, as defined by that different cultural/social context (e.g. just any old man cannot just pick the most beautiful women, like some grocery shopper picking the best looking peach from a produce isle). And, you’ve escaped reality, if you’re implying that 65% percent of the women in the world, to speak within your arbitrary statistics, are in prostitution or sex slavery (e.g. most women in these unfortunate situations were probably runaways or orphans, a very small percentage of women; boys are also affected by this situation, except they may either be forced into criminal gangs or made into terrorists, greatly decreasing their life expectancy); but, you’re perspective here is just outlandish, and, again, designed to divert the topic of discussion (e.g. would Wonder Woman treat Dr. Psycho this way and why did she treat Dr. Psycho that way, especially if the perceptions of her are true?).
“No one is saying Psycho isn't intelligent or that he was rejected by women during his life, maybe it's even as bad as he contends and he was horribly bullied by these women. This is an EXCUSE he uses to justify his criminal behavior, nothing more.”
The thing is, our discussion is a layer more complicated; sure, it’s an excuse, but, it’s also a potentially preventable reason (e.g. Dr. Psycho had this as a reason for snapping while another facing mockery and ridicule had this as a reason to commit suicide). And, it’s not just intelligence, Dr. Psycho achieving the accomplishment of becoming a world renowned scientists proves that he was a model individual that every decent person should strive to become, until he was driven to snap.
“I tend to doubt that he was actually bullied because in the vast majority of cases of severe bullying it's almost always the bullied child harming themselves rather than others.”
People who’ve been continually bullied end up reacting all sorts of ways, but, in reality, we’ll note that the vast majority will become socially impaired (e.g. unlikely to be as socially articulate as someone as say, a Barack Obama); the vast majority do not end up harming themselves, just socially stunted, and, so, may react in certain social situation differently than we might want them to react (e.g. you ask the question, why is this ugly guy not reacting in the presence of everyone the same way that Obama or Clark Kent is reacting?); and, than, proceeding to judge them from there, essentially, what you’re doing, which, is the byproduct of entertainment grooming you to think in such a way, by pretending that looking down on less desirable men does not exists by showing only physically desirable men or, in the rare case they’re not, otherwise desirable by being extremely wealthy or a successful politician. However, in the case of women, the difference is shown, if it can provide a reason for explaining why a woman behaved differently than a Miss America type.
“PS your desire to see Psycho and Diana date IS a derivative of Beauty and the Beast too. The story is world famous BECAUSE there are derivative stories in every culture. You can claim there are only 2'"distinct" versions, but you would be wrong.”
No, I’m not wrong, because I didn’t say there were only 2 distinct versions; you only presented 2 distinct versions; I said, in another way, there may not be more than 6 distinct versions and that it is nowhere close to the thousands and millions of perfect with perfect distinct versions that occupy media, each with their thousands or million of derivatives; and, Beauty and the Beast is so well know because it is so rare or uncommon in entertainment; Hunchback is so well known, because it is also so rare or uncommon; but, since the perfect with perfect examples are so cliche, new forms of entertainment involving them will be much less likely to be interesting, since everyone in entertainment does them; so, inadvertently, you’ve stumble onto the logic of my proposal that bringing Dr. Psycho into the mix is likely to bring Wonder Woman much more success than pairing her with Superman, Batman, and, now, Steve, once again, and trying to repackage it as some fresh new start and hoping that success will come, or, if it does, in any lasting or sustained way.
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