How strong do you want Wonder Woman to be?

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#151 Posted by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman should be as strong as her powers imply, but now since her powers aren't based off of the gods and titans as definitively as they used to be it is way harder to gauge that now....being as strong as or around the same strength as Superman has always been her MO, they have always been comparable in the past and should still be in the same ball park at least now....luckily someone over in DC seems to think so since Diana kicked some kryptonian ass recently....but she still need some durability, speed, strength and skill feats if she is to reach what I believe is her potential ....

I hope so

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#152 Posted by WonderWomanFan8 (224 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman should be as strong as her powers imply, but now since her powers aren't based off of the gods and titans as definitively as they used to be it is way harder to gauge that now....being as strong as or around the same strength as Superman has always been her MO, they have always been comparable in the past and should still be in the same ball park at least now....luckily someone over in DC seems to think so since Diana kicked some kryptonian ass recently....but she still need some durability, speed, strength and skill feats if she is to reach what I believe is her potential ....

You make a good point. Diana sounds a LOT more powerful when she derived her power from 6 Olympian gods in addition to her Amazon training. Now in the n52, she only has strength from one god, and it's not really specific what kind of power she inherited from zeus, other than it being "berserker-rage like god-mode" when she takes her bracelets off. Oh, and throw in her amazon training topped off by training with war. So going off of that, on paper it seemingly makes Diana look much weaker than she was prior to this reboot, especially in her own title.

Apparently, Golden Age Wonder Woman (as well as other Amazons) were able to further increase their strength by channeling mental energy into their muscles, as it was part of their training. Also Diana seemed to possess an ability to control the electro-chemical reactions in her brain to assist in this process. Sounds like she had a mild form of telekinesis, as well as electro kinesis. I'd love to see those abilities make a comeback.

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#153 Posted by ArchiZoom (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

But powergirl only have half strength in the post-crisis,and if be based on feats,supergirl is most powerful woman on dc it's based on the facts,however,you can think wonder woman is most powerful woman on dc based one statement,i'm belive supergirl it's most powerful woman based on feats and facts

But feats aren't factual Power Girl. Feats are the manifestation of the writer's will.

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#154 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

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Eh,supergirl push planets too

Pushing planets is 4 or 5 steps too far imo. Wonder Woman's never done that because her strength is not her trademark but since we know Power Girl is her equal, we can assess her strength through Power Girl's feats.

Only pre-crisis Supergirl displayed this level of strength, post-crisis wise she did not. Power-Girl would beat the post-crisis Supergirl due to her experience. However, I still believe Supergirl and Power-Girl's strength is far below Superman's upper limit. In Infinite Crisis, the GA Superman (who was at New Earth Superman levels in Infinite Crisis) one-shotted Giganata and saved Power-Girl

@frozen: I know that

But i really dont remember GA superman what feats could put him on the superman level,Also,Pre-crisis mary marvel as strong as Pre-crisis captain marvel and Pre-crisis supergirl as strong as Pre-crisis superman

In the Pre-crisis,wonder woman never close to superman in fight or feats

How about the fact that GA Superman fought SA Superman and basically stalemated him and matched him physically? Here are the scans from Justice League of America #74.

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Pre-Crisis Mary Marvel SHOULD be at Captain Marvel's level but she was not. Pre-Crisis Supergirl was weaker than Pre-Crisis Superman, and Pre-Crisis Captain Marvel was equal to Pre-Crisis Superman in strength.

GA Wonder Woman has moved planets and stars. You are severely misinformed on pre-crisis power levels. Pre-Crisis Power-Girl was actually weaker than her Post-Crisis version.

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#155 Edited by SaintWildcard (21886 posts) - - Show Bio

75-90% Superman's power. But a much better fighter.

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#156 Edited by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@archizoom said:

@powerwoman said:

Eh,supergirl push planets too

Pushing planets is 4 or 5 steps too far imo. Wonder Woman's never done that because her strength is not her trademark but since we know Power Girl is her equal, we can assess her strength through Power Girl's feats.

Only pre-crisis Supergirl displayed this level of strength, post-crisis wise she did not. Power-Girl would beat the post-crisis Supergirl due to her experience. However, I still believe Supergirl and Power-Girl's strength is far below Superman's upper limit. In Infinite Crisis, the GA Superman (who was at New Earth Superman levels in Infinite Crisis) one-shotted Giganata and saved Power-Girl

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@frozen: I know that

But i really dont remember GA superman what feats could put him on the superman level,Also,Pre-crisis mary marvel as strong as Pre-crisis captain marvel and Pre-crisis supergirl as strong as Pre-crisis superman

In the Pre-crisis,wonder woman never close to superman in fight or feats

How about the fact that GA Superman fought SA Superman and basically stalemated him and matched him physically? Here are the scans from Justice League of America #74.

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Pre-Crisis Mary Marvel SHOULD be at Captain Marvel's level but she was not. Pre-Crisis Supergirl was weaker than Pre-Crisis Superman, and Pre-Crisis Captain Marvel was equal to Pre-Crisis Superman in strength.

GA Wonder Woman has moved planets and stars. You are severely misinformed on pre-crisis power levels. Pre-Crisis Power-Girl was actually weaker than her Post-Crisis version.

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That not feats,just fight..

1,I never said Pre-crisis powergirl is strong, she isnt as strong as Earth 1 supergirl,but since post-crisis,powergirl only have half of strength,so,that why sometime she look like "weak",you dont know..?

2,This is Golden age wonder woman,it;s not a feat,check it,this is just cover,it's not actullay feat at all,just check it by youself,that was a lie in the comicvine for a long time ago,you dont know..?and PC wonder woman only moving a moon,she even weaker than Post-crisis wonder woman

3,Pc shazam=PC superman...but PC mary marvel as strong as PC shazam too

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and again:

“But the marvels are evenly matched and they cannot harm each other"

Not only Pre-crisis mary marvel as strong as shazam,Captain marvel JR as strong as him too,in the Pre-crisis/golden age

And here,i give you some feas,easily moving planets,worlds,and stars,that put marvel family on the PC superman level,E2 superman have what feats could be put him on the E1 superman level?

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Not only strength,marvel family have absolute invulnerability,even each other have infinite strength,they are cant hurt each other a bit

Marvel family move stars one by one:

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It's was galaxy.but too many planets and stars,so,they are not move them at once,but still Impressive,because each other move planets,stars

And pc supergirl as strong as Pc SUPERMAN too:

"Every muscle's straining pushing MYSELF to the LIMIT"

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And PC supergirl feats:

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1,throw planets with one hand and high speed into another orbit:

2,Builting a GIANT planet into a front of star,that completely covered it

3,Throw moon

4,Kick out moon like football

5,push planets into a red star:

That just a few feat,not all,like supergirl follow with superman can travel across the entire universe,or blow out huge rock across another galaxy,or supergirl anthoer version suprema,who lift our entire universe(silver age supergirl)

I dont know you really read pre-crisis comic book not just hear someone said?

The PC Kryptonian it's absolute invulnerability in the Silver age,since bronze age,PC kryptonians isnt absolute invulnerability(I know sometime even in the silver age,superman still can get hurt,like E2 superman ko him,but i dont count it,because E2 superman never as strong as E1 superman,he 0 feat)And in the Silver age,any kryptonians as strong as superman

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Even female kryptonian as strong as male kryptonians too

Throughout much, if not most, of the Silver Age (i.e. the 1960s) Kryptonians were accorded the same strength levels one to another.

You'll find an exception or two, but they generally did NOT take into account gender or even size differences.

Since Bronze age(more cleary,it's from silver age later),a male kryptonian would be stronger than a female kryptonian and superman is stronger than any other kryptonians

Before,it's not,also,bronze age superman is much weaker than silver age superman

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And this is bronze age data

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Supergirl strength=48,Superboy strength= 47

And Superman strength= 50

This is change,though even it's change,superman and supergirl strength still close it

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#157 Posted by Muffin_Sangria (844 posts) - - Show Bio

In a way it makes sense that Superman is stronger to Wonder Woman. His strength is tied to the sun and her's is tied to the earth. Personally I think Wonder Woman should be faster then Superman though. That isn't supported by the feats or history though I just think it makes more sense. His speed is a byproduct of his strength where as she get's her speed from the god of going really really fast so to me that says she should be faster. Although since Flash get his speed from an entire plan of existence dedicated to going really really fast it makes sense that that would trump Hermes.

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#158 Posted by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont count fight because Writer always use PIS,however,We usually distinguish "Golden age" superman and Silver age superman it's be based on different powerlevels,Golden age superman=weak superman,Silver age superman=crazy powerlevels superman,that was whole points,Under normal circumstances GA superman isnt close to E1 superman just like E2 powergirl never as strong as E1 supergirl

But I admit that this is confusing,like GA superman fight PC shazam or PC powergirl fight with E1 superman,This is why we don't count different charater fight feats,Because they are not consistent

Try think about batman beat wonder w oman or superman lose Karate kid,they are just ridiculous,it's just PIS,we cant count it

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#159 Edited by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont count fight because Writer always use PIS,however,We usually distinguish "Golden age" superman and Silver age superman it's be based on different powerlevels,Golden age superman=weak superman,Silver age superman=crazy powerlevels superman,that was whole points,Under normal circumstances GA superman isnt close to E1 superman just like E2 powergirl never as strong as E1 supergirl

But I admit that this is confusing,like GA superman fight PC shazam or PC powergirl fight with E1 superman,This is why we don't count different charater fight feats,Because they are not consistent

Try think about batman beat wonder w oman or superman lose Karate kid,they are just ridiculous,it's just PIS,we cant count it

Did you just ignore my entire post?

I posted a fight between the GA Superman and the SA Superman where they stalemate to a physical standpoint. The fight IS in character, please read GA Superman comics.

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#160 Edited by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@powerwoman said:

I dont count fight because Writer always use PIS,however,We usually distinguish "Golden age" superman and Silver age superman it's be based on different powerlevels,Golden age superman=weak superman,Silver age superman=crazy powerlevels superman,that was whole points,Under normal circumstances GA superman isnt close to E1 superman just like E2 powergirl never as strong as E1 supergirl

But I admit that this is confusing,like GA superman fight PC shazam or PC powergirl fight with E1 superman,This is why we don't count different charater fight feats,Because they are not consistent

Try think about batman beat wonder w oman or superman lose Karate kid,they are just ridiculous,it's just PIS,we cant count it

Did you just ignore my entire post?

I posted a fight between the GA Superman and the SA Superman where they stalemate to a physical standpoint. The fight IS in character, please read GA Superman comics.

I dont ignore scan,i said i read it before you post them because i'm read a lot of pre-crisis comic book

I'm just dont count it for some reason

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#161 Edited by myerlanski (2487 posts) - - Show Bio

I want wonder woman to be as strong as superman. She has strength of a god. Especially if she is in earths atmosphere.

Plus, I liked that they have some type of Earthling that can put up a stalmate match, strengthwise, with the aliens. Everybody seems to be able to slap the earthlings. Even the gods of earth. Which is weird to me because the gods are cosmic which transcend pass reality and the laws physics. I would guess anyway. Wonder woman on earth should be, if not capable of being the most strongest being. Like Superman gets stronger with more exposure to the yellow sun.

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#162 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: You can't discredit the feat because you don't like it. GA Superman stalemated SA Superman. SA Superman did not hold back and even said that Kal L was as strong as him.

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#163 Edited by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: But as the same time PC superman have many PIS,PC shazam as strong as him not because they are fight each other,it;s because PC shazam have feats,if you go to battle thread,that was only way to prove a charater how powerful,not just fight

And SA superman should be absolute invulnerability,untill silver age later/bronze age,even E2 superman is million time stronger than him,superman cant get hurt a bit

However,I can only say that it is very confused,E2 superman also as strong as Post-crisis superman too,in the Infinite crisis

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#164 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: But as the same time PC superman have many PIS,PC shazam as strong as him not because they are fight each other,it;s because PC shazam have feats,if you go to battle thread,that was only way to prove a charater how powerful,not just fight

And SA superman should be absolute invulnerability,untill silver age later/bronze age,even E2 superman is million time stronger than him,superman cant get hurt a bit

However,I can only say that it is very confused,E2 superman also as strong as Post-crisis superman too,in the Infinite crisis

GA Superman also had PIS feats. He became Silver-Age by 1942.

The Infinite Crisis fight was for the plot. Kal L was nerfed.

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#165 Posted by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

The golden age superman isnt have obvious end when silver age coming,I'm talking a lot of people,we really dont know what time golden age superman become silver age superman

But most people belive GA superman=weak,Sa Superman=crazy powerful

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#166 Edited by drgnx (3971 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA/the presence lvl

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#167 Posted by ClarkKent12 (138 posts) - - Show Bio

On par with Shazam, weaker than Supes when he unleashes his true power.

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#168 Edited by TheHercules (963 posts) - - Show Bio

Physical Strength: Planetary

Striking Strength: Moon

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#169 Edited by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

Raw Strength: planetary (above earth)

Striking Strength: multi planetary

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#170 Edited by TheHercules (963 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88 said:

Raw Strength: planetary (above earth)

Striking Strength: multi planetary

By Multi-Planetary you mean, worlds shattering around and not a busting attack, right?

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#171 Posted by masterwitcher88 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

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Raw Strength: planetary (above earth)

Striking Strength: multi planetary

By Multi-Planetary you mean, worlds shattering around and not a busting attack, right?

Yes, I also mean she can bust planets the size of, if not slightly larger, then earth.

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#172 Posted by tethadam (1124 posts) - - Show Bio

80% of Superman

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#173 Posted by Kevinffinity (208 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want each member of the Justice league to be equally (atleast nearly) useful/ valuable to the Team

Therefore I believe Diana should be close to Supes in terms of stats but not as/ more powerful than him. Her skill should also be nearly on par with Batman (she could be equally or a little more skilled). This combination of skill and power should allow her to defeat any leaguer (thus making her the best fighter/ most likely to win in a fight).

Superman - Most powerful

Batman - Best Strategist

Cyborg - Tech specialist

Green Lantern - Best energy manipulator

Aquaman - Marine expert (the world is over 70% water btw)

Flash - Greatest Speedster

Wonder Woman - Most capable fighter

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#174 Posted by KingLouie (3567 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage level

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#175 Edited by dshipp17 (5604 posts) - - Show Bio

Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

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#176 Posted by MorbusGrav (1506 posts) - - Show Bio

Same power level as Superman, but through different means. While Superman should get back to his higher end post crisis power level.

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#177 Posted by MorbusGrav (1506 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage level

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Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

At that point should DC lose all rights on Wonder Woman and anything with her related, the white suit Wonder Woman still stands as a monument for how to destroy a comicbook character.

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#178 Edited by dshipp17 (5604 posts) - - Show Bio

@morbusgrav said:
@kinglouie said:

Luke Cage level

@dshipp17 said:

Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

At that point should DC lose all rights on Wonder Woman and anything with her related, the white suit Wonder Woman still stands as a monument for how to destroy a comicbook character.

Yes, but for just the opposite reasons, in that Wonder Woman currently doesn't resemble her original, counterpart version; Wonder Woman was not meant to be an amazon warrior overpowered Superman clone (e.g. Xena-lite); that can change, however, if this new event results in DC getting its act together; this statement is based on her actual portrayal by Marston, not by a statement that Marston might have said somewhere. Start building consistency and using Wonder Woman's own rogues gallery, with Dr. Psycho finally in place as her Joker or Luthor.

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#179 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6689 posts) - - Show Bio

stronger

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#180 Edited by agent41 (15893 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17 said:
@morbusgrav said:
@kinglouie said:

Luke Cage level

@dshipp17 said:

Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

At that point should DC lose all rights on Wonder Woman and anything with her related, the white suit Wonder Woman still stands as a monument for how to destroy a comicbook character.

Yes, but for just the opposite reasons, in that Wonder Woman currently doesn't resemble her original, counterpart version; Wonder Woman was not meant to be an amazon warrior overpowered Superman clone (e.g. Xena-lite); that can change, however, if this new event results in DC getting its act together; this statement is based on her actual portrayal by Marston, not by a statement that Marston might have said somewhere. Start building consistency and using Wonder Woman's own rogues gallery, with Dr. Psycho finally in place as her Joker or Luthor.

In the words of her own creator. Being as strong as Superman was part of the concept. And even if we leave Superman out of the conversation. Marston run had Wonder Woman performing feats way out of wolverine and carol danvers league. So i don't know where you are getting this idea that she was between street to mid tier level. Because she was clearly well above, that based on the feats she performed under Marston's hands.

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#181 Posted by dshipp17 (5604 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41 said:
@dshipp17 said:
@morbusgrav said:
@kinglouie said:

Luke Cage level

@dshipp17 said:

Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

At that point should DC lose all rights on Wonder Woman and anything with her related, the white suit Wonder Woman still stands as a monument for how to destroy a comicbook character.

Yes, but for just the opposite reasons, in that Wonder Woman currently doesn't resemble her original, counterpart version; Wonder Woman was not meant to be an amazon warrior overpowered Superman clone (e.g. Xena-lite); that can change, however, if this new event results in DC getting its act together; this statement is based on her actual portrayal by Marston, not by a statement that Marston might have said somewhere. Start building consistency and using Wonder Woman's own rogues gallery, with Dr. Psycho finally in place as her Joker or Luthor.

In the words of her own creator. Being as strong as Superman was part of the concept. And even if we leave Superman out of the conversation. Marston run had Wonder Woman performing feats way out of wolverine and carol danvers league. So i don't know where you are getting this idea that she was between street to mid tier level. Because she was clearly well above, that based on the feats she performed under Marston's hands.

That would be the modernized version of Marton's Wonder Woman; Wolverine and Carol Danvers came into existence when comics started to get more realistic about how they portrayed feats; but, again, neither Wonder Woman, Carol, or Wolverine are characters revolved around feats, at least pre-52, in the case of Wonder Woman; you've been repeatedly told that Wonder Woman stories aren't designed to display feats; that just your idea of what a Wonder Woman comic should involve.

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#182 Posted by agent41 (15893 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17 said:
@agent41 said:
@dshipp17 said:
@morbusgrav said:
@kinglouie said:

Luke Cage level

@dshipp17 said:

Between the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man and her already current Marvel counterpart, Captain Marvel/90s Rogue.

At that point should DC lose all rights on Wonder Woman and anything with her related, the white suit Wonder Woman still stands as a monument for how to destroy a comicbook character.

Yes, but for just the opposite reasons, in that Wonder Woman currently doesn't resemble her original, counterpart version; Wonder Woman was not meant to be an amazon warrior overpowered Superman clone (e.g. Xena-lite); that can change, however, if this new event results in DC getting its act together; this statement is based on her actual portrayal by Marston, not by a statement that Marston might have said somewhere. Start building consistency and using Wonder Woman's own rogues gallery, with Dr. Psycho finally in place as her Joker or Luthor.

In the words of her own creator. Being as strong as Superman was part of the concept. And even if we leave Superman out of the conversation. Marston run had Wonder Woman performing feats way out of wolverine and carol danvers league. So i don't know where you are getting this idea that she was between street to mid tier level. Because she was clearly well above, that based on the feats she performed under Marston's hands.

That would be the modernized version of Marton's Wonder Woman; Wolverine and Carol Danvers came into existence when comics started to get more realistic about how they portrayed feats; but, again, neither Wonder Woman, Carol, or Wolverine are characters revolved around feats, at least pre-52, in the case of Wonder Woman; you've been repeatedly told that Wonder Woman stories aren't designed to display feats; that just your idea of what a Wonder Woman comic should involve.

I doubt that WW would be writen as a wolverine-ms marvel level character if Marstin was alive today.

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