@willienotwilliam said:
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@willienotwilliam said:
@ashetdust said:
Okay, name a weakness she has. Something to show she isn't perfect. Something negative to balance out all her advantages. Superman has kryptonite and magic. Batman is human. Diana has what?
Batman and Superman are at least balanced out to a degree. WW isn't.
@willienotwilliam said:
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@scouterv said:
@scorpio_cassadine: Well, I'd argue Artemis is rocking the battle-axe pretty hard these days, and looks pretty kickbutt with it too.
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I would imagine it primarily about style, she carries a sword, so she also carries a shield... like most ancient warriors would. But there is also a more functional aspect of it, the bracelets might be fine at deflecting bullets, other projectiles and energy beams, but they aren't a very good option in a sword fight because if she blocks an attack, she risks the attackers blade sliding up or down the bracelet and onto her arm or hand (because it wont just bounce off like the bullets does).
better way to eliminate that problem is to ditch the sword in favor of the lasso again.
Would only increase the problem, going from some defence to no defence.
I disagree ... she has no need of a sword or shield if she's got the lasso and bracers. She's mostly invulnerable and has super-speed along with her training she should be practically untouchable anyway.
Because an untouchable hero isn't going to get boring no?
It's just about being more efficient, and it matches the warrior motif. And so, if the solution is just to wrap up every enemy that's going to get boring and if every enemy can escape the lasso it's useless.
Whereas, if she's just using the lasso as one of her tools, that's a better idea entirely because it offers more versatility, which I think should be a strength of Wonder Woman. She's more than just bracelets and a lasso, a sword and a shield--she's a trained fighter. She should be skilled at using any and everything. A shield, sword, lasso, bracelets, bow/arrows, net, spear, crossbow, etc.
And super strength, super speed, genius level intelligence, invulnerability, flight, being a Goddess and a Princess with magical weapons and armor... yeah. I honestly want to like Wonder Woman, but she's feeling more and more like a Mary Sue all the time at this point.
None of those things determine whether she is a mary sue or not. She has a lot of tools in her belt just like any character in her position would and its up to the writer to use them in a way that isn't "mary sue" like just like writers for Batman and Superman.
Okay, name a weakness she has. Something to show she isn't perfect. Something negative to balance out all her advantages. Superman has kryptonite and magic. Batman is human. Diana has what?
Batman and Superman are at least balanced out to a degree. WW isn't.
The same writers who gave her everything under the sun? Why would they give the character all this stuff if they didn't intend to use them? Sorry, not that optimistic about their writing ability.
She is not as invulnerable as superman, weak against magic, constantly fighting people/things as strong or stronger than her, wearing a lasso that can be used against her. I can't really recall too many stories of her being a Mary Sue.
Not as invulnerable as Superman. That's not a weakness. Heck her armor and weapons make her just as powerful if not more powerful than Superman.
Weak against magic. ummm no. She has the same resistances to it most other people have. Not a weakness. Superman is specifically weak to it. She isn't.
Wearing a lasso that can be used against her. Not even going to reply to that, you're being silly.
So what we really have is she constantly fights people/things as strong or stronger than her. That is not a weakness. That's called being a comic character.
Tell me, when was the last time she got beat, and I'm not talking about where she came back the very next issue and evened the odds. I'm talking about her getting the heck beat out of her and she ended up out of commission for months If not a year or two. Batman has died and at one point had his back broke. Superman has died. Both were gone for years. Wonder Woman has...?
All of those things are weaknesses and weaknesses that have been exploited plenty of times in her comics. Im not being silly and if you don't know about these things chances are you haven't read her comics or not enough of them.
She rarely wears armor unless the situation calls for it and usually she's still barely wearing anything
She is weak against magic when the writer wants her to be and she has often fallen prey to magic probably more than Superman has.
Her lasso has been used against her before
She has had a supporting cast full of nothing but over powered gods and goddesses for the past few years and even before that she regularly fought other characters along with olympians that were stronger than her while the same can not be said for superman
The lasso thing being used against her is silly. This isn't the 1940's anymore when that was her gimmick.
The rest of your response I'm going to just ignore because we've already been through that and will have to agree to disagree, with the exception of your final sentence.
Diana hasn't gotten killed like that because Diana has not been given the amount of reverence and love Batman and Superman have, so a storyline where she dies and takes up multiple titles and sends waves throughout the DC universe wouldn't even make sense to create
Exactly. Diana has not nor does she continue to be given the attention she deserves. The times she has been injured or really incapacitated have had no lasting effect. A couple of issues at max. Or to use an example of another poster, Diana being blinded. Oh wait, she's not really blind she can compensate with other senses and skills, she just can't see. I am tired of seeing Diana get the short end of the stick when it comes to being truly important to the scheme of things regarding DC. As a member of the all important Trinity, DC handles her with kid gloves. Let her shine! Make her stories matter! Have the consequences of her actions send waves through the universe! Yet they haven't and won't do that. Instead they give her more power and yet more upgrades. Like say a shield where up till now her bracers were enough. They keep going in the wrong direction. They need to give her solid meaty stories where if she fails millions die. Have her save the day and thousands still die regardless of her best actions. Heck, give her a story where she does save millions, but gets blamed as the bad girl that started it all. Make her decisions matter on an epic scale. Stop giving her little pieces of drama that only affect her tiny corner of the universe. She's one of the big three and where she walks she needs to leave foot steps in the sand. They haven't done that. Not really, not on a large enough scale to matter.
Here's a little experiment. Ask a friend, someone who knows a little about comics or nothing at all to describe one of Diana's storyarcs. Not a comic fan or collector, just a normal everyday person. I believe the answer will be they won't be able to name one.
Anything she does, anything done to her seems to be only temporary in nature.
Oh by the way, @agent41 I agree with you about Batman being a Marysue. Batprep has gotten to ridiculous levels. I stand by what I said earlier though, I think WW is getting close to being a MarySue at this point.
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