@venomousdragon said:
@cruelestashley said:
@venomousdragon:
do you know what i find ridiculous? the fact that women seem to think they have the ability to make assertions about male behavior and social hierarchy,
Considering the myriad of disgusting comments males make within the comic book community online, my assessment is more than fair. The fact I am a woman has nothing to do with my ability to do so.
you dont, stop pretending you do,
I'm not pretending anything. Prove I'm "pretending."
when the shoe is on the other foot and men make these kinds of assertions about women they are almost always called chauvinistic or sexist,
Yes, when men make comments about what a woman should be in respect to gender roles/expression, it's extremely sexist/chauvinistic. This is not at all comparable to noticing how disgusting the male demographic, in respect to online comic book communities, acts toward women. This is not an equal street in the slightest.
keep to what you know and this is not something you can know.
Isn't it? I'm observing things and noticing them.
if i sound harsh i apologize but is something that needs to stop,
Much like how so many males see it fit to treat women online.
it is not considered acceptable for me to do it to your gender and it should not be acceptable in the reverse.
Your gender was never oppressed and is not continually discriminated against at the level women are.
humans are animals and alpha males do exists it is simply something that is more complex than it is in other animals due to the more complex nature of human interactions and social order.
Right.
In Faye Flam's book The Score: The Science of the Male Sex Drive, Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky shares his misgivings, stating that alpha males in other species operate differently than what is observed among humans. He notes that in dogs and wolves, for example, every member has a place in the hierarchy. And among baboons, he notes, the alpha male dominates over a group of subordinates who are equal in power to each other—until he is challenged and overthrown. In these species, the alphas exert more power. Humans are more complex, Sapolsky says. We belong to more than one social circle—a man who may be a custodian by day may be a superstar DJ by night. Flam also interviewed anthropologist Tim White, who said that alpha males likely ruled the common ape ancestor humans shared with chimps roughly 7 million years ago, but that they no longer exist among humans.
Female empowerment is fine but should still be grounded in reality men and women are inherently different as we are a dimorphic species,
Appeals to nature aren't arguments.
the (western) world needs to accept this and stop clinging to the idea that women can do all things men can just as well as they can, they cannot and the same is true in reverse.
Oh, pray tell, what is it we cannot do that you are oh so superior at?
im not appealing to nature, im stating facts humans are a dimorphic species, there can be no debate on the subject, which is likely why you attempted to simply hand wave it away.
as for what males are oh so superior at, i point you to the Olympics, notice that the men and women do not compete together, there is a reason for that.
the doctor is correct in his assertion, the Alpha male as it is seen in other species does not exists in the human species but likewise the alpha male as seen in lions does not exist in a wolf pack, each species is different and when someone says a man is a "alpha male" it does not mean the same thing as when we are using the same words to describe dominant males in other species and there is no way it could because as i said humans have a far more complicated social life than most if not all other animals that does not eliminate males who are highly predisposed to assert dominance over their peers, these are the alpha males of our species and i can tell you well they exist.
The two are not equal. There is observable, demonstrable evidence that a myriad of males treat women a certain way, a way that is both succinctly sexist and dehumanizing, when it comes to the internet--specifically comic book communities in this context. This is the nature of the two mediums meeting, as both tend to provide a degree of escapism, fantasy, what have you--inevitably breeding and cultivating antisocial behavior, which in turn ferments cognitive dissonance. It just so happens the majority demographic this pertains to is male, and apparently, that's a terrible thing to observe, because I'm a woman. That's not sexist, right?
The problem derives from semantical conflation--I am referring to "alpha male" in the sense of how it is referred in respect to other species--because that's where its primary users adopted it from. Some people tend to associate the term with a trait of dominance, but that doesn't validate the term, and it comes across as disingenuous when you factor where it arrives from. Ultimately it's a matter of simplifying human life, perhaps to cope with reality, because it's too complex, too hard. We often invent models, models with predictive capabilities of reality, but this is not a model with predictive capabilities, it's a buzzword presenting itself whenever opportune, to assert oneself, or another, as superior. It serves no purpose beyond that.
Men have not historically been discriminated against because of their gender in the way women have (how many matriarchies exist again?). It was only in the last century that women gained the right to vote, it was only in the past forty years that it's become socially acceptable for women to speak out against abuse, only in the past thirty that we've been able to climb the ranks and be what we want to be. Social equality has never been a thing in America, but we have, overall, slowly progressed in the right direction. We are at the best we have ever been, but social inequality still exists, and to act as though this is somehow equal is hilariously anachronistic, ignoring what women have struggled and suffered to achieve, because of how men have oppressed them over the millennia. I'm lucky enough that I live in a day and age, where I don't have to be oppressed, that I can stand up for myself on all fronts, inspiring others and helping them overcome their own gender-centered adversities.
Sexual dimorphism, more like polymorphism, is not an excuse to view women as inferior, which is exactly what you're doing, using loaded language to supplement it. Sorry, this isn't for you to decide, and will never happen so long as strong minded women, such as myself, exist to combat these bad ideas. Yes, men and women have inherent differences, but these difference do not inhibit either in today's world. I also fail to see how athletic averages somehow indicate superiority, especially when they refer to an extremely niche group, where there a number of variables you do not account for (e.g. arbitrary restrictions, institutionalized sexism, socioeconomic factors).
as for the rest of your post the following quote tells me that you will simply dismiss my refutations solely because i am male
Baseless assumption. Rather ironic too, considering you have dismissed my views on the basis that I'm female.
as those of your ilk are often keen to do, which is unfortunate i was hoping you would have more substance to your arguments.
Oh please enlighten me--who are my ilk? Because what I'm seeing here is one big bowl of ad lapidem.
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