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#52 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:
@jamiewolfe7 said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

Nah. The choices were too limited. I'm a Gary Johnson supporter, I personally hate Trump.

Classical Liberal then?

I can see the lack of choices though

On the left Clinton is a dangerous criminal, Sanders is cartoon mental case, on the right there is Trump who is, er..... very Trump. The GOP hasn't had anyone who could be described as either a proper republican or a conservative for years as they conserve nothing but their own interests. Personally I'd see Trump in as he cuts through the bollocks that comes out of the msm and the whingy sjw crowd

What did you think of Austin Petersen?

You pretty much summed it up. Trump is probably the greatest troll of our generation, and I've read his historical positions in his own words over the years. Respecting the fact that Ronald Reagan was a Democrat most of his political career, we have a chain of events by which scholars have charted his 180 on many political views to becoming the uber Republican he's lauded as. Trump, we have no such thing so cutting through the BS of telling crowds what they want to hear from speech to speech, therefore I fall back on what he's written in the past which tells me that he's virtually a Hillary clone with a better wardrobe, more interesting hair, and a human personality. Or...would that be Mitt Romney? I get confused. Anyway.

I confess to knowing very little about Austin Petersen. I like Gary because, like Trump he has real world business experience. I get pissed when I hear repubican (no, that's not a misspelling on my part) trolls talk about there not being anyone else on the ticket with private sector experience. Aside from that, I've met him personally and I voted for him last time when Ron Paul was scuttled. My only misgiving is him buying into the gay marriage fiasco, I think universal civil unions would be a much better solution. I still enjoy trolling repubicans by pretending to be a gay wiccan pissed off that I have to get married instead of handfasted (an upside to the controversy, easy trollbait)

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#53 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:

Classical Liberal then?

I can see the lack of choices though

On the left Clinton is a dangerous criminal, Sanders is cartoon mental case, on the right there is Trump who is, er..... very Trump. The GOP hasn't had anyone who could be described as either a proper republican or a conservative for years as they conserve nothing but their own interests. Personally I'd see Trump in as he cuts through the bollocks that comes out of the msm and the whingy sjw crowd

What did you think of Austin Petersen?

I have to admit to not knowing as much about him as I probably should. I've met Gary Johnson and Ron Paul both personally however, and Senator Chris McDaniel (who I am personally acquainted with) has all but endorsed Gary Johnson. I think Danny Bedwell is also in the Johnson camp. I think McDaniel might reconsider his position though after Johnson's recent gaff on the marriage issue. Until then, I thought he was for universal Civil Unions.

Yeah, it's a hot button topic, especially at the minute I feel as this election cycle seems to be bringing extremes from both the left and right; so a wrong word or something that's misinterpreted can land people in the cross hairs from the those who have a hard line view. It's not something that I feel strongly about either way, hetro marriage isn't the institution it used to be, so it's not like people are missing out - to me it seems like the ones overly concerned about it are the virtue signalers or the Fred Phelps type (Bit early to say Omar Mateen type?) when both should keep out and leave it the level headed (Unicorns)

Anyway we all know Wonder Woman would go to England and vote UKIP

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#54 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: Sorry for tagging you twice, I thought it didn't post so retyped. It may be a bit early to cite Omar Mateen types with some trying to paint him as a self loathing gay man and trying to sweep his family ties under the rug.

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#55 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: Sorry for tagging you twice, I thought it didn't post so retyped. It may be a bit early to cite Omar Mateen types with some trying to paint him as a self loathing gay man and trying to sweep his family ties under the rug.

Breitbart are keeping a timeline on events for Mateen, which just keep getting more fun

It also seems that if WW was a democrat she'd be supporting ISIS

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/

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#56 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:
@jamiewolfe7 said:

@stupid1: Sorry for tagging you twice, I thought it didn't post so retyped. It may be a bit early to cite Omar Mateen types with some trying to paint him as a self loathing gay man and trying to sweep his family ties under the rug.

Breitbart are keeping a timeline on events for Mateen, which just keep getting more fun

It also seems that if WW was a democrat she'd be supporting ISIS

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/

Democrats are loathsome, Republicans stand for nothing, how anyone backs a major party anymore I don't know.

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#57 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (2129 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

Nah. The choices were too limited. I'm a Gary Johnson supporter, I personally hate Trump.

I wasn't referring to you, but thanks for taking votes away from trumpy.

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#58 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (2129 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

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#60 Edited by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

her creator was literally related to Margaret Sanger and based some of her ideas off Margaret Sanger so any ww that isn't pro choice isnt ww

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#61 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (2129 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

See what I mean about it not being hard to tell?

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#62 Edited by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@reactor: she hasn't always lived in London but even then I'm sure she has an opinion on american politics and given the question clearly they aren't interested in you boiling it down to technicalities but seeing where her political interests lies

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#63 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

Returning to my previous note about where she is from.

Diana would be, by US political observers, be considered/suspected of being a liberal or a socialst even harder than Sanders is because of where she is from and has to date never said anything negative of what is basically an absolute monarchy (but without nessesarily having any understanding how that of Themyscira works) and how her stances are broadly speaking for equality in regards to genders, religion and sex. By current GOP standards she'd, oddly, be considered 'weak' on matters of military because she will try and negotiate till there is no other option but getting out the sword.

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#64 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

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lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

There's also the 3 laws of the SJW to contend with as well

The only place where there is a gender pay gap is in Clintons campaign where it's at about 28% - Vote vagina for equality.....for no-one

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#65 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:
@jamiewolfe7 said:

@stupid1: Sorry for tagging you twice, I thought it didn't post so retyped. It may be a bit early to cite Omar Mateen types with some trying to paint him as a self loathing gay man and trying to sweep his family ties under the rug.

Breitbart are keeping a timeline on events for Mateen, which just keep getting more fun

It also seems that if WW was a democrat she'd be supporting ISIS

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/

Democrats are loathsome, Republicans stand for nothing, how anyone backs a major party anymore I don't know.

This could be the last cycle with the 2 party system. There's been a lot more attention on this than previous ones & the inability of each party, or more likely the incompetence of the people representing them, will, I think leave a gap for a strong third party to come in

It's funny, I mentioned conservatives not conserving anything, however; it makes me laugh whenever someone labels themselves as democratic - in the democratic process, as in the other parties involved in this democracy are not. Every one who has done this is always for the suppression of individual rights, like North Korea, China or Sanders with his idiotic democratic socialism (whatever the hell that is) however they will snake oil their way into the gullible and the stupid voluntarily giving up their freedoms

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#66 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

See what I mean about it not being hard to tell?

All lives matter, and political correctness paved the way for this mess :) Thank you for playing vanguard to the rise of the third party :)

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#67 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I just ask...how can you hold a slogan like Black Lives Matter up, not support All Lives Matter, endorse wage redistribution against the will and merit perception of employers as if the 1% are in any way similar to the other 99, and claim to believe in equal rights for all? Just asking. I'm as skeptical of law enforcement as the next person and I'm not going to touch Pro Choice/Pro Life, I think this frames a big enough can of worms against Democrat talking points.

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#68 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

The question wasn't "what do you agree with" its "what would Diana be"

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#69 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (2129 posts) - - Show Bio

@jamiewolfe7 said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

See what I mean about it not being hard to tell?

All lives matter, and political correctness paved the way for this mess :) Thank you for playing vanguard to the rise of the third party :)

Apparently your life doesn't matter, that's why you're so salty. Sorry life isn't working out well for you. You should pray about it and ask God for guidance.

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#70 Posted by CSG_CL (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I just ask...how can you hold a slogan like Black Lives Matter up, not support All Lives Matter, endorse wage redistribution against the will and merit perception of employers as if the 1% are in any way similar to the other 99, and claim to believe in equal rights for all? Just asking. I'm as skeptical of law enforcement as the next person and I'm not going to touch Pro Choice/Pro Life, I think this frames a big enough can of worms against Democrat talking points.

if you truly want to know why the slogan "Black Lives Matter" is important ... read this ... best response to the question I've seen.

http://www.uua.org/worship/words/reading/change-black-to-all

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#71 Posted by CSG_CL (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:
@dernman said:

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

There's also the 3 laws of the SJW to contend with as well

The only place where there is a gender pay gap is in Clintons campaign where it's at about 28% - Vote vagina for equality.....for no-one

you know that's been debunked right?

the Clinton campaign provided FactCheck.org a list of the names, titles and annual salaries of every full-time person employed in Clinton’s Senate office between 2002 and 2008. Those data show the median salary for men and women to be the same at $40,000. The data also show Clinton hired roughly twice as many women as men.

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#72 Edited by Dernman (26229 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

See what I mean about it not being hard to tell?

See what I mean about not knowing what the heck you're talking about. lol

Another mark of a lefty. Anyone who doesn't automatically fall in line with their rhetoric they're trying to pass off as truth then they must be rightwing or republican.

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#74 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@csg_cl said:
@stupid1 said:
@dernman said:

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

There's also the 3 laws of the SJW to contend with as well

The only place where there is a gender pay gap is in Clintons campaign where it's at about 28% - Vote vagina for equality.....for no-one

you know that's been debunked right?

the Clinton campaign provided FactCheck.org a list of the names, titles and annual salaries of every full-time person employed in Clinton’s Senate office between 2002 and 2008. Those data show the median salary for men and women to be the same at $40,000. The data also show Clinton hired roughly twice as many women as men.

2002 - 2008?

I'm on about this decade

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/12/pay-gap-alert-clinton-foundation-male-execs-earn-38-more-than-women/

There is a link in the article for sources too

She isn't popular with women either

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433596/hillarys-clinton-low-ratings-among-women

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#76 Edited by Dernman (26229 posts) - - Show Bio

@willienotwilliam said:

The question wasn't "what do you agree with" its "what would Diana be"

It's funny how people can say the say exact thing and the driving context be totally different.

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#77 Posted by CSG_CL (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:
@dernman said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

It's sure not hard to tell who the republicans are in this thread.

You would be wrong if you say me. Nor am I Democrat though I grew up that way. On the other hand your lefty bile is showing is showing though.

Oh Thank You! It's intended to, yes that's me, a proud progressive Democrat that believes in equal rights for all, a woman's right to choose, political correctness, wage redistribution, Black Lives Matter and a healthy skepticism of law enforcement. I'll wear that badge with honor. :)

lol The mark of a lefty. Swims in shit and pretends it smells like roses..

See what I mean about it not being hard to tell?

See what I mean about not knowing what the heck you're talking about. lol

Another mark of a lefty. Anyone who doesn't automatically fall in line with their rhetoric they're trying to pass off as truth then they must be rightwing or republican.

can we maybe get back on the topic here ... or even just talk about Wonder Woman in anyway? I don't really care who's a right winger or a leftist on this forum, if I want a debate on current US politics I head over to the appropriate venue not a WW fan-forum.

Let's touch on some of the actions WW has taken over the years and decide where she falls on the Political spectrum

Started Women's shelters, specifically for victims of domestic violence ... I'd put that in the liberal column

Fought for equal treatment of female employees on numerous occasions ... another liberal stand

Supported gay marriage ... liberal

Obviously from a religious culture ... leaning toward calling that conservative, but given the progressive nature of PI I'm not sold on that ... maybe neutral since we've seen both liberal and conservative thinking from various other Amazons.

Comes from a culture ruled by a Monarch ... given that this was relatively uncommon for other Greek societies it's hard to say there is a conservative or liberal bend to this point it seems to have been dependent on the ruler. Again I'm inclined to say neutral here because we've seen Hippolyta act in both very liberal and very conservative context ... might lean a little toward more conservative here though.

Openly takes on non-traditional female roles ... liberal

Will use military force as a solution ... probably more on the conservative front

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#78 Edited by deactivated-59dfd33ed3601 (5575 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess Wonder Woman would be a Democrat. Most of the liberal ideas fits in line with her character.

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#79 Edited by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

Also I'd think that diana would be pretty anti islamophobia esp against people berating Muslim women for their hijabs and other head coverings when the Amazon's have their own gendered religious wear (bracelets of submission) which is another pretty leftist point I'd say

Not to mention her devotion to fighting war and human ills with love along with her advocation for rehabilitative justice instead of what the curremt american judicial systemn is based on is very reminiscent to most feminist and anti racist over the years(mlk, Angela Davis,bell hooks) who are all obviously leftist/ social democrats which is probably where she would lie.

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Also I'd think that diana would be pretty anti islamophobia esp against people berating Muslim women for their hijabs and other head coverings when the Amazon's have their own gendered religious wear (bracelets of submission) which is another pretty leftist point I'd say

Not to mention her devotion to fighting war and human ills with love along with her advocation for rehabilitative justice instead of what the curremt american judicial systemn is based on is very reminiscent to most feminist and anti racist over the years(mlk, Angela Davis,bell hooks) who are all obviously leftist/ social democrats which is probably where she would lie.

Excellent points! I think Diana would 100% support Muslim women's choice of wearing their hijab, as long as it was a choice and not forced (i.e. ISIL, Taliban). I am certain she would also love the words and visions of MLK, Maya Angelou, Angela Davis and Bell Hooks. I could see her even saying "I will not have my life narrowed down. I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's ignorance." (Bell Hooks)

I wonder how she would have felt about segregation though ... given the inherently segregated nature of PI I feel like she may have a slightly different view point on the practice ... certainly she would disapprove of the reasons it existed in the United States or systems such as Apartheid, but she probably would have some positive reinforcement of the results of separation from her own cultural heritage. Hmmm ... I'll have to think about that one.

Ultimately I think Diana would simply be be in support of what would be best for most people. I can't see her opposing concepts such as Affirmative Action or anything that was aimed at ensuring equal treatment for all people and I can't see her supporting laws or regulations that would force individuals to behave against their own natures or wills.

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#81 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

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@willienotwilliam said:

Also I'd think that diana would be pretty anti islamophobia esp against people berating Muslim women for their hijabs and other head coverings when the Amazon's have their own gendered religious wear (bracelets of submission) which is another pretty leftist point I'd say

Not to mention her devotion to fighting war and human ills with love along with her advocation for rehabilitative justice instead of what the curremt american judicial systemn is based on is very reminiscent to most feminist and anti racist over the years(mlk, Angela Davis,bell hooks) who are all obviously leftist/ social democrats which is probably where she would lie.

Excellent points! I think Diana would 100% support Muslim women's choice of wearing their hijab, as long as it was a choice and not forced (i.e. ISIL, Taliban). I am certain she would also love the words and visions of MLK, Maya Angelou, Angela Davis and Bell Hooks. I could see her even saying "I will not have my life narrowed down. I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's ignorance." (Bell Hooks)

Wonder Woman, who I'm sure is pro women's rights, would be against the oppression of women. The hijab is most definitely not a choice, despite the constant obfuscation of the truth we are told. A lot of the muslim immigrants I know, are happy to be in the west to get away from these practices and don't want them catching up here. We seem to have a load of virtue signalers saying 'go on - it's empowering' when they have no idea what they are on about

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#82 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: its not that simple , some Muslim women do want to wear their hijabs and love their religious practices in the same way many feel oppressed by it and I'm simply saying Diana would support those women doing what they feel is right for them. Muslim women don't all think the same and ofc something like the hijab is deeply cultural and full of complicated history and its never gonna be as simple as any one opinion makes it out to be. I simply think that ww's own culture can be used to make many women who feel bad about themselves and their choices feel more content with themselves.

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#83 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: its not that simple , some Muslim women do want to wear their hijabs and love their religious practices in the same way many feel oppressed by it and I'm simply saying Diana would support those women doing what they feel is right for them. Muslim women don't all think the same and ofc something like the hijab is deeply cultural and full of complicated history and its never gonna be as simple as any one opinion makes it out to be. I simply think that ww's own culture can be used to make many women who feel bad about themselves and their choices feel more content with themselves.

yes

I don't really disagree with anything you have said - The only thing I would add or maybe ask is, would these women chose these things if the threat of violence wasn't there. In the non islamic world, how many victims of domestic violence side with their abuser?

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#84 Edited by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: maybe, maybe they wouldnt but my comments were in reference to the many women who wear hijabs of their own free will despite the constant racism they must face every day simply for wearing it(i.e a western concept, and im american so thats my frame of reference). so while hypothetically speaking certain women wouldnt choose to do so because of certain cultural/historical reasons that im not privy to, i know enough to say that diana would believe that women are smart enough to decide how they want to live their lives and make sure they feel good for making that decision

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#85 Posted by JamieWolfe7 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 If Wonder Woman starts wearing a hijab, I'm done.

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#86 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

Well this is the tricky part

Firstly it's not racism, when you oppose an ideology. Secondly, with regard to the hijab, you are always going to get idiots, all over the world, who will discriminate against anything they don't know. From my experience it's 2nd generation muslims and converts that will choose these things as they don't have the experience of the countries where these cultures are enforced - much in the same way people who bang on about socialism being great, haven't lived in countries where socialism is enforced and the misery it causes

On topic, again you are quite correct, Diana would be for promoting peoples choices, I think however, she'd be weary of a 'forced' choice

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#87 Edited by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

@jamiewolfe7 said:

@stupid1 If Wonder Woman starts wearing a hijab, I'm done.

Screaming 'Allahu ackbar' when she's blocking bullets

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#89 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio

Well whoever created that (with well intention or not) is not very well informed

Women’s Hijab

The purpose of hijab is to cover the awrah and awrah varies in different situations and amongst different groups of people.

We begin with the conditions of hijab for a woman in public and amongst non-mahram men. As long as these conditions are fulfilled a woman may wear whatever she pleases.

1. The hijab (covering) must conceal the entire body except the face and the hands.

2. It should not be translucent or tight. Tight clothes, even if they conceal the colour of the skin, still describe the size and shape of the body or part of it, and create vivid images.

3. It should not attract the attention of the opposite gender; thus it should not be extravagant or excessively opulent. Nor should jewellery and makeup be on display.

4. It should not be a garment worn because of vanity or to gain popularity or fame. The female companions were known to wear black and other dark colours but other colours are permissible; a woman must not however wear colourful clothes because of vanity.

5. It should not be perfumed. This prohibition applies to both the body and the clothes.

6. It should not resemble the clothing worn by men.

7. It should not resemble the clothing that is specific to the non-Muslims.

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#90 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8936 posts) - - Show Bio

Neoconservative, so Republican.

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#92 Posted by CSG_CL (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1: how many Islamic women do you know? While yes, the hijab is used as an oppressive device and is forced upon many, there are women who choose to wear it out of their personal belief system just as many Jewish women cover their hair in public. Your point is exactly why I worded my response "as long as it was a choice" WW forcing them not to wear it is just as oppressive as those forcing a woman to wear one.

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#93 Posted by deactivated-57b89658ba257 (862 posts) - - Show Bio
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@stupid1: how many Islamic women do you know? While yes, the hijab is used as an oppressive device and is forced upon many, there are women who choose to wear it out of their personal belief system just as many Jewish women cover their hair in public. Your point is exactly why I worded my response "as long as it was a choice" WW forcing them not to wear it is just as oppressive as those forcing a woman to wear one.

I haven't said that - or inferred to it

With regards to choice, please see my above comments with williennotwilliam

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#94 Posted by CSG_CL (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:
@csg_cl said:

@stupid1: how many Islamic women do you know? While yes, the hijab is used as an oppressive device and is forced upon many, there are women who choose to wear it out of their personal belief system just as many Jewish women cover their hair in public. Your point is exactly why I worded my response "as long as it was a choice" WW forcing them not to wear it is just as oppressive as those forcing a woman to wear one.

I haven't said that - or inferred to it

With regards to choice, please see my above comments with williennotwilliam

Would you like to see the stats of how many western women are victims of domestic abuse? How much of it goes unreported or ignored after an initial report is invalidated by the woman attacked? Freedom to dress how you want does not equate to amount of domestic abuse. There is a pathology to abusers and the abused that exists nearly everywhere you live. Wearing the hijab is obviously no protection, but neither is NOT wearing one.

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@csg_cl said:

Would you like to see the stats of how many western women are victims of domestic abuse? How much of it goes unreported or ignored after an initial report is invalidated by the woman attacked? Freedom to dress how you want does not equate to amount of domestic abuse. There is a pathology to abusers and the abused that exists nearly everywhere you live. Wearing the hijab is obviously no protection, but neither is NOT wearing one.

You have statistics for things that go unreported?

Also I think you have misinterpreted what I have said about abuse

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@stupid1 said:
@csg_cl said:

Would you like to see the stats of how many western women are victims of domestic abuse? How much of it goes unreported or ignored after an initial report is invalidated by the woman attacked? Freedom to dress how you want does not equate to amount of domestic abuse. There is a pathology to abusers and the abused that exists nearly everywhere you live. Wearing the hijab is obviously no protection, but neither is NOT wearing one.

You have statistics for things that go unreported?

Also I think you have misinterpreted what I have said about abuse

No I am asking the question ... although there are statistics around how much ends up getting reported then dropped quickly.

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#98 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8936 posts) - - Show Bio

@purpleperson: Pro Intervention Pro Security > Liberty Anti Welfare State

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#99 Posted by PurplePerson (925 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: WW may have grown up in a warrior race, but one of her defining characteristics is her disposition towards peace. I think she would consider neoconservatives too quick to resort to military action and too ready to take unilateral action. I'd also suggest that she would have no desire to reduce the influence of the welfare state.

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#100 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid1 said:

Well whoever created that (with well intention or not) is not very well informed

Women’s Hijab

The purpose of hijab is to cover the awrah and awrah varies in different situations and amongst different groups of people.

Think the bolded part is worth remembering: as in, why is Diana wearing it, who is she around and where is she?

From the image she appears to be in space and not a mosque, so thats one thing. Regarding the list you provided... I think thats a rather strict version you've uncovered since quite alot of muslim women tend to wear quite colorful hijabs and in wealthy places like Dubai, they also tend to wear a fair amount of jewlery. What Diana might be getting wrong however is how loose she appears to keep it. Also it might bear noting that that hijab is only the headwear, not the entire outfit... and Diana's appears to be slipping off.

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