Those Who Sit Above in Shadow

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#1 Posted by Wolfus (234 posts) - - Show Bio

Hi everyone. I want to ask you guys a question about TWSAIS. What I want to know is: how powerful exactly are they? How would you rank them?

We know that TWSAIS are above skyfather level. They barely have any feat, but they were given a description.

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They are celestial beings who feed on the energy of the many ragnarok cicles. That means that they are probably very old, right? We also know that for them, skyfathers are nothing, or better yet, skyafathers are like toys to TWSAIS.

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Now, considering all this,

1- How powerful do you think they are? Do you think they re like elder gods

2- Do you think they stand a chance against galactus?

3- Do you think they can fight the celestials(they are considered celestial beings, but they are part of the celestials, so therefore comes this question)

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#2 Posted by seekquaze (741 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfus said:

Hi everyone. I want to ask you guys a question about TWSAIS. What I want to know is: how powerful exactly are they? How would you rank them?

We know that TWSAIS are above skyfather level. They barely have any feat, but they were given a description.

They are celestial beings who feed on the energy of the many ragnarok cicles. That means that they are probably very old, right? We also know that for them, skyfathers are nothing, or better yet, skyafathers are like toys to TWSAIS.

Now, considering all this,

1- How powerful do you think they are? Do you think they re like elder gods

2- Do you think they stand a chance against galactus?

3- Do you think they can fight the celestials(they are considered celestial beings, but they are part of the celestials, so therefore comes this question)

Truth is we know little about them. It is hard to confirm as to whether or not they are above skyfathers. Mystical beings like gods often work by weird rules where they can be all-powerful in one instance, but helpless due to some weird mystical rule the next. Are TWSAIS above skyfathers or did they somehow bind all of Asgard to the Loom of Fate and able to manipulate it preventing anyone from attacking them directly? Did they live on a plane of existence the Asgardians could not get to the same way gods can travel to earth and Asgard, but mortals cannot?

For your questions:

1. I would say maybe higher level gods. They were powerless to stop Rune Thor despite Rune Thor being at best only slightly above Odin. Thor's advantage was they could not control him the same way they controlled the rest of Asgard. The fact breaking the cycle appears to have made them disappear makes them look weaker then skyfathers. They cannot just punch through dimensions to get to ours. There appear to be specific rules that govern them. I think they are probable an older set of Norse gods...maybe from a previous generation who tried to hang on past their time by taking advantage of Ragnarok and setting it up as a cycle.

2. No, I do not. Their power outside of Asgard appears to be severely limited.

3. Celestial beings means they are of the heavens. All gods are celestial beings. They may be a bit more ethereal than other gods, but they are not part of the Celestials. I would say they are far below the Celestials.

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#3 Edited by Awar (61 posts) - - Show Bio


@wolfus & @seekquaze;

I think they might be the Older Gods mentioned by Varnae to Thor!

"I watched and snickered as your savage ancestors gnawed their civilization from the bones of the old gods".

Thor even called Those Who Sit Above in Shadow the Great Old Gods, It remains unknown who or what these old gods were or even if they ever existed at all but this might explain why they (Those who sit above in Shadow) were tied to the Asgardian Death & Rebirth cycle!

I mean after all The Three Norns who are part of Norse Mythology (even if they were stolen from the Greeks Three Fates!) where tending the loom when Thor destroyed the loom and Those Who Sit Above In Shadow needed the loom to repeat the cycle of life and death for the Asgardians in order to feed!

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#4 Posted by jayc1324 (26432 posts) - - Show Bio

Galactus was nearly stalemated by Odin. Odin couldn't defeat TWSAIS. So I'd say they win.

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#5 Posted by undeadtribunal (27 posts) - - Show Bio

When they first appeared in that X-men/Alpha Flight crossover special and then later in Alpha Flight they didn't seem so sinister and Loki didn't seem to hold them in as much awe as we later did. I always thought of them as Old Gods of Hyborea like Valka and Crom (Kull and Conan times - back when Ymir was a "god"). Once they were assumed to be responsible for the Ragnarok cycles I figured the back story was that Odin had made some deal with them to cheat fate and not die, and unknowingly got the Asgardians stuck in this cycle. Thus the explanation that Thor was Odin's (backup?) plan to finally free themselves from the cycle. In any event, TWSAIS power level would likely put them all above Sky-Father level, up to and possibly surpassing Elder God level. Don't forget though that these "levels" are all arbitrary and constantly change - Odin has certainly exhibited power above Elder God level in certain stories and in others he gets winded fighting Thanos.

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