@lvenger:
My favourite superheroes list proves this comment otherwise. Take a look at what I've said for Thor and where he is on my list, then try to maintain this view. I've commented on the Thor boards a lot regarding this current Female Thor fiasco regarding my dissatisfaction with this move. Why would I make comments like that if I wasn't a Thor fan?
I said I believed you were a Thor fan, but you tend to use his low showings when it comes to speed, which is something understeandable, considering that in a fight between Thor and Superman, speed is the only thing Clark has going for him.
Bully for you, aren't you a loyal Thor fan for doing that. I assume you mean stuff like Ocean Master electrocuting Superman even though later in the Throne of Atlantis storyline, Aquaman tanks that same lightning later on without being KOed?
I don´t see how does that makes me a bully or not a loyal fan, I read Superman because I like him, but when I see a showing that Thor could use to his favor to beat Superman, I use it, I don´t see anything bad in that.
I was actually trying to sort out a Thor vs Black Bolt debate before I got roped into the Superman/Hulk vs Invincible team CAV, and you haven't seen me debate for him because you either haven't seen the threads where I've supported Thor more recently, or the threads where I do support Thor on the battle forums were from years ago, which was before your time. I would advise not making hasty and false presumptions, I have defended Thor on other threads before your time on CV. The ones you've seen are threads where I don't think Thor wins, and that's what you've based this post on.
I never said you didn´t debate for Thor, I said I haven´t seen you do it, and I´ve seen you in plenty of threads regarding Thor.
Who do I think I'm fooling? Who do you think you're fooling with this claim? And too bad, because I am going to tell you exactly that I don't do that. If you want to admit your favouritism towards Thor just because you like him, that's up to you. But I don't think that way. I bring up Thor's speed feats because he's consistently shown to be slow in combat and reaction speeds ever since the 1980s. That's 4 straight decades of Thor being unable to react to street levellers or superhumans without having to use Mjolnir, his powers or AOE attacks. That's not bias, those are how I see the feats and their consistency.
I´m pretty sure that´s what you do man, and everyone has favoritism for a character, I mean, that´s why they are called "favorite characters", but that has nothing to do with my view on who wins in a battle, favoritisim doesn´t have anything to do with battles, I don´t understand why you are comparing them. Silver Surfer should beat Thor every single time, so does Ultron, I have favoritism towards Thor and not for Surfer and Ultron, that doesn´t mean it changes my perspective on a battle.
I don't know why you fail to understand this just because I appear to have a track record of going against Thor but as hard as it seems to understand, I kind of don't factor personal preference into who I think wins in a fight. I favour reason, evidence and logic when coming to battle conclusions rather than playing favourites. And I think Superman beats Thor because he's at least as strong, if not stronger, more durable and faster than Thor. Not because I prefer Superman to Thor. By your current logic, I prefer every character I think Thor can be beaten by, surely even you can see the problem after you made this comment.
Neither do I, like I mentioned above, I base battles on showings and feats, in comics, Thor has beaten Surfer, but by feats I think Norrin should beat Thor most of the times, I also know that Ultron beats Thor, so does Thanos, so does WBH, because they are stronger, more durable and have striking power enough to knock him out, I prefer Thor to any of the characters I mentioned, yet I know they would beat Thor, you are kind of accusing me of giving Thor the win just because I prefer him to certain characters, which is not true at all. I think Thor would beat Superman because he is just as strong, he is actually more durable, speed enough to react to him and much better striking power, not because I prefer Thor.
Btw, it was unnecessary to post JJJ laughing man.
So why did Thor have trouble tagging Cap then? And when you compare their feats, Steve does hold an edge in speed and reactions compared to Thor in combat scenarios. Where Steve can see bullets in slow motion, reacted to Quicksilver level speedsters directly (not via AOE) and tag Wolverine consistently, I'm afraid no matter how much you like Thor, Cap fights and reacts quicker than he does. As for Thor being skilled as Steve, that's an inconsistent and contradictory argument to say the least. Thor may be supposed to be more skilled than Steve based on his thousands of years experience. But by feats, he doesn't fight as well as street levellers with only decades of combat experience. He doesn't use his fighting skills very often compared to brute force, the story arc your example is from involved Thor's powers being taken away so there was no other way for him to fight back and writers rarely show Thor's skill in combat. You cannot fixate yourself on one singular example to support your opinion, that isn't good enough.
Probably becayse he was holding back against the mortal he esteemes the most as proven during Kang´s Dynasty, this is actually proven later when he dented Cap´s shield and apologized to him while stating he didn´t mean to do that, that he sometimes forget how powerful the Odin Force is.
Cap can see bullets in sow motion, so he is not slow at all and even then Thor has plenty of feats to put him above Cap, such as reacting to Thor Girl´s lightning and blocking it with Mjolnir, you, like half of Comic Vine just look at Thor´s low showings in speed. So if we look at Thor´s good speed feats, he is easily above Cap in speed, and this is proven when he is depowered and kept up with Cap and saved him, this instance is completely legit, I don´t know why you have a problem with it.
Didn't come off as the former but you did sound a little too close to the latter I'm afraid. Especially your accusation towards me in the middle.
Well, I apologize man, I was just pointing out something, but if that´s not the case I´m sorry, like I said, you are a pretty cool user and I don´t want to have problems with you, I have plenty of enemies in here already haha.
@truth_teller: Go away SodamYat.
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