It happened in Thor issue 5, in my opinion Absorbing Man was use to symbolize Thor fans that disagree with Aaron's creative decisions, (like call her Thor).

Is Aaron trying to say that only sexist fan boys are complaining? That is a big big lie and a ridiculous generalization of the different complains that fans have ... This book flaws were exactly the same if the new Thor was a male character.

Again this has nothing to do with her gender, but giving up on your name is like giving up on your identity, and that defines who you are, how Thor Odinson gives up on his name wasn't believable, he was Thor before he was worthy of Mjolnir.

I spend a lot of time and money with this character, shouldn't i be the right to voice my opinion? Without the writer make fun of that same opinion in his current writing, what's his goal? To irritate more the character fans that dislike the current creative decisions?

Did i made a wrong interpretation? Correct me please... What do you guys think?

I do not think you made a wrong interpretation. I was certainly offended, both by Creel and Odin, not to mention the entire ~girl power~ thing with Titania. I feel like Aaron was insulting me as someone who does not like the way he has written the new Thor so far, and lumping me in as a stereotypical misogynistic, close-minded fanboy (which, being a hardcore feminist fangirl, is extra insulting). It also feels like he's trying to shield himself from criticism by going "WELL IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT THEY'RE SEXIST" instead of actually dealing with the concerns fans have.

I thought it was hilarious. He hit it perfectly.

Wow seems i need to pick up the new thor hit the nail on the head if you ask me.

Yeah I say insult Thor is his name not to be passed on to anybody male or female.

I love female heroes if unique and done right. Thor is a established character very old and with a rich history. How hard is it to simply respect fans and create something that is good for all fans?

There will be the day when he will not be writing Thor and we will still be fans of the character, i don't get what was his goal, no ones like to be insulted, this will not make me and others change our opinion, because that doesn't erase the mentioned flaws of the new book, only gives him less and less credibility between who felt insulted, i thought his writing goal was to appeal to all the fans.

@sodamyat: you would. Can't wait til the AOU movie cuts your fun with this idiot short.

@skaldadottir: @asgaard: it was a talking down. As if he's some sort of know it all little b!t@h who sees what others don't. Had Hammerette been Tarene, Sif, Valkyrie, or even Amora id have been fine because it would be sensical and I like all these women in Thors life. The name is still off limits though but they wouldn't need it anyway. I HATE human women in comics. They're useless in superhero lives other than as damsels in distress. Moreover, I HATED ROZ SOLOMON from the moment she was introduced. Not a badass. It's like that "mae" agent on AoS. They want to make her sem like she's a badass and Ming na is nowhere near intimidating. Not to mention she's a limited actress. She comes off annoying. Every time they compare her to Johansens Romanoff....i hate her more. I hate when people are forced to seem badass just for the sake of it. I also hate environmentalist crap. So to all those using "mysoginy" as a label, you're extremely wrong. It's the humiliation and disregard of a powerful and majestic character that brings the hate out in me. Shoehorning some idiot nobody into a mythos I dearly love is a clear invitation for me to hate you. Most of the people who like this have admitted they never read thor before. So they're gimmick and novelty readers. Hope they have enough of them cuz I won't be back to buy even when Thor returns. Just out of spite.

Most people on here wouldn't even give the book a chance even though it's actually been written very well and aaron already proved himself with 25 previous issues. The first issue wasn't even out and you guys already jumped off the bandwagon even though if you think about it, it makes sense. The hate on these boards have actually made me ashamed to be a thor fan!

@thegodofthunder: I own the first three issues and have kept up to date on what has been going on. I keep waiting for Aaron to impress me with this change and he hasn't. There are plenty of us who have given this book a chance and have serious concerns about it, and now Aaron's just insulting us instead of fixing anything.

Though I can't completely disagree with you, either. I hate that, in not liking this run, I agree with some people on this forum who obviously have some deep-seated issues with women.

LOL.

Personally Ive liked every single issue. The story telling has been great and so has the art. If you dont agree, Thats completely fine.

Odinson feels disgraced because a single FREAKING whisper made him unworthy of his hammer.

Of course the dude isn't gonna feel worthy of his gosh darn name. Fury wrecked his life.

Plus, since Marvel continuity happened, the hammer has become synonymous with the hero known as Thor.

It might be his REAL name but it's also his SUPERHERO name, and that's what some people aren't getting.

Aaron hasn't done nearly as wrong as the haters are making it out to be, this series is actually really entertaining. Yeah, it's not a great feeling that this is the state of Thor Comics, but it's still decent.

Haters gonna hate and ainters gonna aint.

@thegodofthunder: why would we? We want Thor. We're THOR fans. I want him and only him front and center in a book with his name on it. "Mantles" don't exist in thor. Despite how you all morph storylines to fit your Aaron loving needs. You are ashamed of being a Thor fan? Good. I'm ashamed that you ever called yourself a Thor fan too.....supporting crap slopped all over a character you allegedly loved.....

@thunderingthorfan: And it's replies like this that make me feel so.

@arturocalakayvee: You are correct sir!

I think the answer is yes.

It certainly feels a bit back-handed, doesn't it ?

While I currenly do not like much how the intrigue is being handled (as in making the plot drag on and even more convoluted with each passing issue; aka tell us it's Roz already and carry onward with the 9 realms war pact /roxxon...please I'm getting bored), I can still respect a writer.

Sadly, this isn't reciprocated by the current writing team who deems it's ok to downplay legitimate readers concerns to bigotry and small mindedness. How dare you focus on the mantle's transition, they say on one hand...while on the other making the plot all about the newThor's identity?!

Dare I point out the hypocrisy? No, maybe I shouldn't. Noticing questionable writing is the stuff of bigots afterall.

Yes, Aaron disrespected longtime Thor fans. He turned Creel into an allegory for them. And yes, there are some fans like that. There are sexist individuals & ranters, who definitely have deep seated issues. Those people NEED TO STOP. There is NO PLACE for such disrespectful sexist comments in our world, that I agree with whole-heartedly. Such behavior angers me when I think about all the women I love & have loved in my life. I was raised to believe that ALL MEN & WOMEN were created equal. But these people- these bigots- DO NOT represent all longtime Thor fans that have legitimate concerns & criticisms, & voice them respectfully. Aaron dismisses us by lumping us in with those others. I am a long-time Thor fan since I was measuring my age in single digits, & I voice my opinions & concerns with respect..obviously, with more respect than Aaron does. I was raised to respect women, to treat them as equals, BECAUSE THEY ARE. I am surrounded in my life by many amazing women that I love, including my mother, the strongest woman I've known in my life, who nearly died bringing me into this world, who taught me many of the ideals I hold dear, the ideals that heroes like Cap & Thor championed(if there was a real life Mjolnir, I have no doubt my mother would be worthy of it.)- the Thor I know would never call a woman a "wench". There are female characters that I absolutely adore, & have since I was a kid- Sif, Valkyrie, Black Widow, Mockingbird, Sue Storm/Richards, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop(who I call Hawkeye just as I do Clint, she earned the name), to name a few- & I have enjoyed their adventures & stories as much as I have any male hero. I loved JIM featuring Sif, hated seeing it get cancelled, I've loved Black Widow forever, & I've loved Mockingbird ever since I read the first Hawkeye mini-series, & enjoyed reading WCA & Hawkeye & Mockingbird for her just as much as Hawkeye. Aaron is only looking at one group of Thor fans- fans I'm truly ashamed of- & lumping everyone with legitimate criticism in with them, & that is just as wrong & disrespectful as these individuals he is decrying. They don't represent all Thor fans. He's looking at that group & writing those of us off that have genuine concerns about a character that many of us grew up with. For fans like me, & @asgaard & @skaldadottir, the issue with Aaron's current run has NOTHING to do with feminism or equality issues. It has to do with a character that we love being torn down & disrespected, not just his character, but his entire mythos. Thor is a character who represents honor, courage & nobility(& as I said, the Thor I know- at least after his lesson in humility, was never disrespectful towards women), & all that is being turned on its ear. Our concerns is with that, & that the book has so declined in quality from T:GOT, going from epic tales of God-Butchers & Thor across time to bank robberies & Roxxon's corruption. Would I be opposed to a female hammer-wielder for a time? DEFINTELY NOT, if done correctly, with reverence for Thor's history & mythos, which isn't being done here, IMO. There are characters that I have no doubt that would be worthy of the hammer- Sif, Valkyrie, & quite possibly Angela for example. To wield Mjolnir, you have to understand Thor, & Mjolnir. You have to understand the way of a warrior, & have a warrior's heart. The characters I mentioned above could do that as well as Beta Ray Bill, Eric Masterson, Cap & any other hammer-wielder if written correctly, & I'd enjoy reading it. But also, they'd have to show Thor's journey into becoming worthy again- or rediscovering why he is worthy in himself- which would make for a great story if done correctly, but Aaron isn't doing that. Aaron is pushing this character- most likely Roz Solomon- who is not a warrior, & dismantling Thor himself- tearing him down & focusing so much on building the new character that Thor himself becomes secondary; mistreated & mischaracterized, along with much of his supporting cast. These are the concerns that many long-time Thor fans have, & we voice them respectfully but are ignored or belittled or told just to get over it, by both users on this site & Marvel editorial. Our opinions are as valid as anyone else's, I give everyone the same respect that I would want. (That, too, I was taught by a woman.) With this allegory, Aaron is just as short-sighted as the group he is condoning.

You've hit the nail on the head here. He's lumping legitimate readers concerns in with those who are bigoted & small-minded. There is a definite hypocrisy & you have put it masterfully.

@cgoodness said:

LOL..thanks for that man, I needed that xD

Aaron obviously wants to cause major buttburt, so...I guess successful troll is successful ? :p

nah he made a joke at the feminist which is true.

You and Aaron have a lot in common, he fails in his writing and you fail in arguments, but both like to insult other people who disagree with your views.

I thought it was funny. I have been enjoying Aaron's run on the book since God Butcher and think it is still very engaging. The only thing that I haven't liked this run has been his depiction of Odin, especially this issue. It just doesn't seem logical that he would appoint the Serpent to anything or release the Destroyer on someone when everybody else is OK with it. I like his depiction of unworthy Thor trying to figure out who is wielding the hammer, and it was a good scene with Sif. The Titania part was a little much after all the years of her doing serious damage to female heroes like She-Hulk.

So Aaron insulted Thor fans because I, among others, don't like his crappy comic. So what? Am I supposed to feel bad? Well, sorry to disappoint you, Aaron, but I don't. And I never will. The reason that I don't like your comic is because it is just another uninspired, PC-Progressive, screwjob of a character I have come to appreciate. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that makes your poser stand out from the original Thor save for the costume and the fact that she is a woman.

And that, in and of itself, is not a new idea. There have been countless other female versions of existing male superheroes before: Supergirl, Batgirl, She-Hulk, Namorita, X-23, take your pick. I can appreciate these characters because at least the writers didn't have screw over the male counterparts in order to create them. Bruce Banner could still become the Hulk when She-Hulk came around. Wolverine still had his adamantium skeleton and healing factor when they introduced X-23. Hell, we've even had female versions of Thor even before Aaron came up with this (What-If Jane Foster, anyone?).

Apart from all the powers that the real Thor possesed when he was worthy of Mjolnir, the poser has no real power of her own (unless you count gradually losing those powers when separated from the hammer a power). With the exception of Thor himself, there isn't a single villain/enemy that the poser has faced that the real God of Thunder hadn't already dealt with himself (although to be fair, I suppose I could let Absorbing Man slide because other heroes have fought him before as well). The only thing that this two-bit replacement has got going for her is the fact that nobody knows who she is and even that can't last forever. This whole thing is uninspired, unoriginal, and done at the expense of one of Marvel's classic characters.

So feel free to call me and anyone else who sees through your smoke and mirrors whatever you like, Aaron. It doesn't change the fact that I think your comic sucks. You may still write decent material (God of Thunder, Ghost Rider, Star Wars) but it doesn't absolve you of the fact that what you're doing right now with Thor is garbage. Complete and utter PC garbage.

Have a nice day.

Sincerely,

Zarathos022

@asgaard:

1. I was never in an argument.

2. All the people who are saying that Aaron has ruined thor and that makeing thor a woman has destroyed the character are the same people who only one year ago where prasieng Aaron for writeing God of Thunder.

3. The thor fan bace on comicvine has become a joke, the large volcal majority, whitch I'm sure with a login like Asgaard you must be a part of, complains and bitches about everything.

So please excuse me if I don't take what you say into consideration.

or you know evolve and enjoy the story . who is this thor has me sitting and waiting. will it change my life? no. but i dont need to nitpick stuff to death . ride the wave and see where it takes you . don't like it? don't buy it!!! this and similar arguments complaining they don't like lemons cuz they taste bad yet they keep stuffing their mouth holes with em instead of just leaving them be .

for all the die hard who are screaming "give us our white male hero created from 60s and is never ever ever allowed to change!!!" look: a year or 2 with femthor and either she dies a pointless death, disfigured and forgotten, or get her own spinoff after proving herself popular with fans . old people and comic fans , hate change and instead of embracing or ignoring the new ideas just complain and complain and complain . i wonder if john stewart had to go through this .

@z3ro180: At least when Aaron was writing God of Thunder, he actually treated Thor like a hero instead of the broken shadow of his former self that he is now.

And as far as I'm concerned, the only joke I see around hear is the poser he's replaced the real Thor with. And you are falling for it. Hard.

I plan on taking business classes eventually once i can rake in some money so i can get in the bar business and ive been familiarizing my self with some basic business info, and insulting your customers is one of the worst things you can do, in the future should it happen if one of my employees were to ever insult a customer (no matter how bad the customer was) id send that employee home without pay no matter their position, now while not the same as the comic business, the term "the customer is always right" is true no matter what business you are in, and mocking the customer is what Aaron did. Id expect Marvel to make a statement &/or apologize but until then id recommend us Thor fans display our feelings on this issue every chance we are given.

@winter_kills: Seriously dude, you just nailed it all over again. Major kudos to the balanced and well thought out post for old and younger Thor fans alike who dislike this PR stunt.

Hey good example, if it works in a bar or other customer service workplace, it works for comic fans and consumers. Those who are somehow liking what Aaron is doing don't seem to get the validity and value of our critiques and complaints.

What i forgot to mention was that that "bad customer" is going to never come back and will discourage others from coming so it will lose you new customers and other customers who saw the insult will think to not come back which results in some not coming back and discouraging other not to go which means less new customers, less frequent customers, bad reviews, and less revenue. A good employee would turn a bad situation into a good one which results in customers coming back, new customers coming in, good reviews, and more revenue

@cgoodness: More fair points, this is how I feel too. Like I don't want to read Aaron's Thor ever again and discourage others too. Granted I did like what Aaron wrote on Thor: GoT but even so this is like a big slap in the face to all the good stories we were getting from Aaron beforehand. Not to mention that this was one of his goals when he started writing Thor, making his treatment of the character all the more dubious. And clearly Aaron is not turning a bad situation into a good one if he's using a supervillain as a metaphor for all his critics and nay sayers of his current storyline.

Thor is manly? With his pretty golden locks? I'll never respect a blonde man...except Captain America.

That's way too heavy handed in any case.

Sometimes people really want to have a good reason to be pissed off especially when it comes to things they are passionate about. Like anything, if you look hard enough and want to see something you will. Do I think that he is attacking fans, no (could he be, yes).

I find what Absorbing man said as pretty funny and true to what someone like Creel would say in this situation. He definitely feels like he's above Thor and now that there is a female Thor he probably (being as he is) feels even further above her.

I totally understand how someone could be somewhat peeved by this but let's be reasonable/rational.

Now as far as the name stuff, It's totally understandable why Thor would not feel worthy of his name after losing Mjolnir, and maybe the Female character hasn't given up her name, but more so is ashamed or wants to hide it for whatever reason.

Let's just all relax and put down our weapons for a little bit, everything will be ok

@zarathos022: I'm not falling for anything, if Aaron had Ben writeing a bad story then yes I would also be in the same boat as you, but as of right now his storys have been good, you all are just bitching for the sake of bitching.

Clearly you've read none of our complaints or understand the justifiable problems we have with this. We're not bitching for the sake of bitching at all, I certainly never do that. We dislike this poor take on Thor because it's disrespectful to Thor's own character and identity, is clearly shown as an obvious gimmick and false diversity for diversity's sake and demeans a woman's role as a superhero. Aaron is writing a bad story in our books, just because you think it's good doesn't mean everyone else shares your opinion. Understand differences of opinion and where we're coming from and you might start understanding people better. As it stands, you're just blinding yourself to the validity of our criticisms for the sake of it.

@lvenger: there might be some vailid critasims but really I don't see them I just see a whole bunch of people on the Internet yet again jumping on a bandwagon.

This is what happens when you question forced political correctness; especially in the form of PC diversity - if you criticize the PC diversity narrative, you will be met with insults. This is all that the PC police can do, insult and take cheap shots at anyone who disagrees with their warped narrative.

How can you say this considering this is exactly what Aaron did but to a bigger scale? Aaron jumped on the PC diversity bandwagon and replaced Thor with a female on the basis of attempting to appeal to females; thereby alienating Thor's long-time fanbase. Aaron used the cheap route by replacing an already popular character for a female, indicating he doesn't really know how to handle diversity.

A lot of people are fine with political corectness, but it becomes a problem once Marvel force it on their readers.

@frozen: Was Girl Thor Aaron's idea or was it some bigwig's and Aaron just has to carry it out?

who knows what these writers think at the best of times. I do get people will be insulted though and he brought that on himself, but i gotta admit alot of people are saying this about feminist so i couldn't help but be amused.

I think Marvel thinks they tried that already with Thor girl and Lady SIF. I would love to see them push Sif more

He's insulting idiots. If they happen to be fans of Thor it's irrelevant.

Yup you are Aaron's twin because again like him you made another generalization, yes i have problems with the new book, but i gave it a shot, i made topics where i try to guess what could be the whisper, without hurting Thor as honorable Asgardian Warrior, the same with Odin, in another topic i also try to guess who female Thor is, and i m a simple hater? No i m not i just dislike some of Aaron creative decisions like call her Thor, yes i have problems with that like i said above.

"Giving up on your name is like giving up on your identity, and that defines who you are, how Thor Odinson gives up on his name wasn't believable, he was Thor before he was worthy of Mjolnir".

You don't take what i say in consideration? Why do you post in this topic? Did you post without read the topic?

I was Aaron's idea i said it in multiple interviews.

In my perspective is not healthy to insult the fans from a character that you are writing (idiots or not).

The new book has flaws, if you usually read Thor books you know that some fans have valid points.

So anyone who is a fan of Thor as he was before is an idiot now? Way to generalise us Thor fans.

He is right though . Most of the Thor fans are idiots and retarded .

@teerack: If not wanting to waste my money on some PC screwjob of classic character makes me an idiot, then you must have strange ideas on what qualifies as an idiot.

@agentofchaos1 said:

Can you explain why?

@renchamp: Are all this insults in this topic acceptable in comicvine?