Did Didio gain too much power?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/06/01/swamp-thing-returns-to-the-dc-universe-and-hes-bringing-his-friends/
Swamp Thing
Character » Swamp Thing appears in 1048 issues.
Botanist Alec Holland became the avatar of the Green, known as the Swamp Thing, following his death in a swamp as a result of a horrific accident. With the ability to control any form of plant life, Swamp Thing uses his powers to protect both the human and the plant worlds.
Swamp Thing back in the DCU?
Vertigo hasn't done anything important with Swamp Thing for years and nothing has been important since the eighties so cool bring back the Vertigo characters to the main DCU. But it is Bleeding Cool it's not really 100% accurate.
I completely agree. i am really excited to see where geoff's take on the character" Vertigo hasn't done anything important with Swamp Thing for years and nothing has been important since the eighties so cool bring back the Vertigo characters to the main DCU. But it is Bleeding Cool it's not really 100% accurate. "
" Vertigo Characters in the DCU? Hmmmmm. Lets see what happens with JC.. "I worry with this, since Peter Milligan is blowing up huge and has his fingers in a lot of books, it makes sense business-wise to tie Hellblazer back to the DCU. Story-wise it is a horrible idea and that is why I hate Didiot.
SPOILERS (because the tags aren't working)
He's baaaaaack
" @Silkcuts: That's not allOkay, Black Lantern Swampy is kind of nutty.Black lantern Swamp Thing is the Big Bad we've been waiting for.I'm underwhelmed."
^_^
I hope they do a split of the two, Alec a white Lantern and the actual husk of Swamp Thing the Black Lantern, then the join forces and become the Grey Lantern... okay the Grey Lantern is getting out of hand...lol
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yep. He's a good writer, but he needs boundaries. Since those boundaries were lifted, he went from TT and the Flash to the awful Rebirth books and Secret Origins. We've been given senseless Geoffcons and the damn SIlver Age appearing in every bloody book." Bad idea. Brightest Day sucks, see every other anti-Johns rant I've made, etc... "I hear ya.Johns can write, but I think having the power he has has given him the messiah complex. "
They spent a year leading up to this?" @Silkcuts: That's not all
Black lantern Swamp Thing is the Big Bad we've been waiting for.
I'm underwhelmed.
"
" @Silkcuts said:It is all greed in the end" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yep. He's a good writer, but he needs boundaries. Since those boundaries were lifted, he went from TT and the Flash to the awful Rebirth books and Secret Origins. We've been given senseless Geoffcons and the damn SIlver Age appearing in every bloody book. "" Bad idea. Brightest Day sucks, see every other anti-Johns rant I've made, etc... "I hear ya.Johns can write, but I think having the power he has has given him the messiah complex. "
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:I think it's more ego than greed. Johns just wants things the way they were when he was a kid, so he can write about those characters. He's changing everything so that it'll be the way he wants it, and then he can build from there. He takes away his favourite character's faults and questionable acts. It's fan-fiction. That's seriously all it is." @Silkcuts said:It is all greed in the end "" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yep. He's a good writer, but he needs boundaries. Since those boundaries were lifted, he went from TT and the Flash to the awful Rebirth books and Secret Origins. We've been given senseless Geoffcons and the damn SIlver Age appearing in every bloody book. "" Bad idea. Brightest Day sucks, see every other anti-Johns rant I've made, etc... "I hear ya.Johns can write, but I think having the power he has has given him the messiah complex. "
" @FadeToBlackBolt: Great answer. "Fan-Fiction" that is now canon.Thank goodness he's stayed away from the Bat books though. I really don't want to read an entire run about how Bruce isn't that great and that Hal is a better hero (facepalm).
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Every time I read a book by Johns, it makes me that much happier to know Morrison is still active.
" @Silkcuts: Little victories I suppose.Yeah, but Millar also isn't slapping common sense in the face with his.Nothing wrong with Fan Fic, Mark Millar get mad money for his."
I still reckon one of the worst moments was when Geoff had Barry say that everything Hal had ever done that was morally questionable was Ollie's influence. That was so bad.
" @Silkcuts said:I am glad Morrison didn't take the Alan Moore route to avoid the mainstream. G-Mo reminds me what comics are capable of, even with the crap other writers release....lol" @FadeToBlackBolt: Great answer. "Fan-Fiction" that is now canon.Thank goodness he's stayed away from the Bat books though. I really don't want to read an entire run about how Bruce isn't that great and that Hal is a better hero (facepalm). Every time I read a book by Johns, it makes me that much happier to know Morrison is still active. "
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Stupid Hal! I'm a Kyle fan anyway.
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Morrison is just so awesome lol. I'd honestly rank him amongst the greatest writers of all time, comic or no. His imagination is second-to-none." @Silkcuts said:I am glad Morrison didn't take the Alan Moore route to avoid the mainstream. G-Mo reminds me what comics are capable of, even with the crap other writers release....lolStupid Hal! I'm a Kyle fan anyway. "" @FadeToBlackBolt: Great answer. "Fan-Fiction" that is now canon.Thank goodness he's stayed away from the Bat books though. I really don't want to read an entire run about how Bruce isn't that great and that Hal is a better hero (facepalm). Every time I read a book by Johns, it makes me that much happier to know Morrison is still active. "
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That's because you're a clever person. Kyle rules :D
" @Silkcuts said:It's all part of his master plan ;)" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yep. He's a good writer, but he needs boundaries. Since those boundaries were lifted, he went from TT and the Flash to the awful Rebirth books and Secret Origins. We've been given senseless Geoffcons and the damn SIlver Age appearing in every bloody book. "" Bad idea. Brightest Day sucks, see every other anti-Johns rant I've made, etc... "I hear ya.Johns can write, but I think having the power he has has given him the messiah complex. "
Swamp Thing appearing in BD #23 was completely random. We see this giant Black Lantern version of him and then see his corpse crawling out from under the tree in the Star City forest.
Where in the world is this going?
" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.
" @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume." You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24."
" @Silver2467 said:It gets worse. Believe me." @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume. "" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24."
" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm too invested now to stop reading >_< Damn my OCD." @Silver2467 said:It gets worse. Believe me. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume. "" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24."
" @Silver2467 said:I am still reading this because a few characters I like are heavily involved in it, and I want to see what this arc does with them." @The Dark Huntress said:I'm too invested now to stop reading >_< Damn my OCD. "" @Silver2467 said:It gets worse. Believe me. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume. "" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24."
" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm loving the Aquaman/Mera arc, the Martian Manhunter arc and the Hawk arc (I know there are serious spoilers involving them, I DO NOT know what they are and would prefer it to stay that way)." @Silver2467 said:I am still reading this because a few characters I like are heavily involved in it, and I want to see what this arc does with them. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm too invested now to stop reading >_< Damn my OCD. "" @Silver2467 said:It gets worse. Believe me. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume. "" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24."
The Aquaman arc is the only I actually enjoyed when it was concluded. Originally, I started reading Brightest Day mainly for Firestorm and Martian Manhunter, because I am fans of them, but their arcs went downhill. I also liked the Deadman story for a while until that fell offtrack. Overall, the Aquaman story line was the one I preferred most. Hawkman and Hawkgirl, I could care less about. The same for Hawk and Dove." @Silver2467 said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm loving the Aquaman/Mera arc, the Martian Manhunter arc and the Hawk arc (I know there are serious spoilers involving them, I DO NOT know what they are and would prefer it to stay that way). "" @Silver2467 said:I am still reading this because a few characters I like are heavily involved in it, and I want to see what this arc does with them. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm too invested now to stop reading >_< Damn my OCD. "" @Silver2467 said:It gets worse. Believe me. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I've only read the first six? issues. Whatever was collected in the first trade volume. "" You mean.....it was anti-climatic? Shocked. "I lost all expectations from Brightest Day near the start, but this is just silly. So much of this arc is filled with random character derailment, pointless plot holes, and unneeded appearances. What especially makes no sense to me right now is why Swamp Thing is introduced just one issue before the finale.
I can only imagine how unresolved and confusing the ending will be in issue 24.
"
The Aquaman arc is the only I actually enjoyed when it was concluded. Originally, I started reading Brightest Day mainly for Firestorm and Martian Manhunter, because I am fans of them, but their arcs went downhill. I also liked the Deadman story for a while until that fell offtrack. Overall, the Aquaman story line was the one I preferred most. Hawkman and Hawkgirl, I could care less about. The same for Hawk and Dove. "That and the Hawk arc are probably my two favorites. I'm not an enormous Hawk and Dove fan, although they've been growing on me in Birds of Prey and I couldn't really care less about Firestorm. I dunno, I guess I tend to gravitate towards the warrior mentality characters.
" @Silver2467 said:Firestorm's is probably the strangest and most precarious of all of them.The Aquaman arc is the only I actually enjoyed when it was concluded. Originally, I started reading Brightest Day mainly for Firestorm and Martian Manhunter, because I am fans of them, but their arcs went downhill. I also liked the Deadman story for a while until that fell offtrack. Overall, the Aquaman story line was the one I preferred most. Hawkman and Hawkgirl, I could care less about. The same for Hawk and Dove. "That and the Hawk arc are probably my two favorites. I'm not an enormous Hawk and Dove fan, although they've been growing on me in Birds of Prey and I couldn't really care less about Firestorm. I dunno, I guess I tend to gravitate towards the warrior mentality characters. "
Eh Geoff is kinda clever,just found out that there was this parliament of trees thingy in the Star city forest right from the start which is very important to the Swamp thing mythos,and while brightest day fans can cry over this stupid,uninteresting ending i can savour the epic doomsday/cyborg superman fight in the superman/batman annual.
" @The Dark Huntress said:I have basically no prior understanding (other than Cry for Justice and Blackest Night) of an already very confusing (at least to me) character, which hinders my appreciation/enjoyment of his arc. Normally I'm all for the strange and precarious." @Silver2467 said:Firestorm's is probably the strangest and most precarious of all of them. "The Aquaman arc is the only I actually enjoyed when it was concluded. Originally, I started reading Brightest Day mainly for Firestorm and Martian Manhunter, because I am fans of them, but their arcs went downhill. I also liked the Deadman story for a while until that fell offtrack. Overall, the Aquaman story line was the one I preferred most. Hawkman and Hawkgirl, I could care less about. The same for Hawk and Dove. "That and the Hawk arc are probably my two favorites. I'm not an enormous Hawk and Dove fan, although they've been growing on me in Birds of Prey and I couldn't really care less about Firestorm. I dunno, I guess I tend to gravitate towards the warrior mentality characters. "
" @Silver2467 said:I like Firestorm as a character and do understand where his plot points are coming from, but really, his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense." @The Dark Huntress said:I have basically no prior understanding (other than Cry for Justice and Blackest Night) of an already very confusing (at least to me) character, which hinders my appreciation/enjoyment of his arc. Normally I'm all for the strange and precarious. "" @Silver2467 said:Firestorm's is probably the strangest and most precarious of all of them. "The Aquaman arc is the only I actually enjoyed when it was concluded. Originally, I started reading Brightest Day mainly for Firestorm and Martian Manhunter, because I am fans of them, but their arcs went downhill. I also liked the Deadman story for a while until that fell offtrack. Overall, the Aquaman story line was the one I preferred most. Hawkman and Hawkgirl, I could care less about. The same for Hawk and Dove. "That and the Hawk arc are probably my two favorites. I'm not an enormous Hawk and Dove fan, although they've been growing on me in Birds of Prey and I couldn't really care less about Firestorm. I dunno, I guess I tend to gravitate towards the warrior mentality characters. "
" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense.his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately?" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" Eh Geoff is kinda clever,just found out that there was this parliament of trees thingy in the Star city forest right from the start which is very important to the Swamp thing mythos,and while brightest day fans can cry over this stupid,uninteresting ending i can savour the epic doomsday/cyborg superman fight in the superman/batman annual. "That came out? And it wasn't disappointing? Awesome.
" @entropy_aegis said:" Eh Geoff is kinda clever,just found out that there was this parliament of trees thingy in the Star city forest right from the start which is very important to the Swamp thing mythos,and while brightest day fans can cry over this stupid,uninteresting ending i can savour the epic doomsday/cyborg superman fight in the superman/batman annual. "That came out? And it wasn't disappointing? Awesome. "
Want some spoilers?
" @Silver2467 said:Under Johns? Pretty much." @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately? "" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" @The Dark Huntress said:I'd add Morrison into that equation. He's a fantastic writer, but if you haven't read the every single tie in and every issue he's written in the last however long, you'll have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on." @Silver2467 said:Under Johns? Pretty much. "" @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately? "" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" @Silver2467 said:That is just Morrison's writing style though. He has a huge build-up, multiple hints spread systematically throughout, and then his ending. I would not in any way identify him with Johns, who has been the major writer for most of DC's recent and primary events." @The Dark Huntress said:I'd add Morrison into that equation. He's a fantastic writer, but if you haven't read the every single tie in and every issue he's written in the last however long, you'll have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on. "" @Silver2467 said:Under Johns? Pretty much. "" @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately? "" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" @The Dark Huntress said:It's his style and I love it, it just makes for confusing stories at times. I still don't entirely understand Final Crisis and I've read the deluxe trade, which compiles just about every tie-in." @Silver2467 said:That is just Morrison's writing style though. He has a huge build-up, multiple hints spread systematically throughout, and then his ending. I would not in any way identify him with Johns, who has been the major writer for most of DC's recent and primary events. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I'd add Morrison into that equation. He's a fantastic writer, but if you haven't read the every single tie in and every issue he's written in the last however long, you'll have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on. "" @Silver2467 said:Under Johns? Pretty much. "" @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately? "" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "
" @Silver2467 said:Final Crisis was not altogether Morrison's fault though. He had an original concept that he planned to integrate into it, but his notes had to be revised once some other writers changed what would have been the precursor to his initial design." @The Dark Huntress said:It's his style and I love it, it just makes for confusing stories at times. I still don't entirely understand Final Crisis and I've read the deluxe trade, which compiles just about every tie-in." @Silver2467 said:That is just Morrison's writing style though. He has a huge build-up, multiple hints spread systematically throughout, and then his ending. I would not in any way identify him with Johns, who has been the major writer for most of DC's recent and primary events. "" @The Dark Huntress said:I'd add Morrison into that equation. He's a fantastic writer, but if you haven't read the every single tie in and every issue he's written in the last however long, you'll have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on. "" @Silver2467 said:Under Johns? Pretty much. "" @The Dark Huntress said:Doesn't that seem to be a running theme with DC events lately? "" @Silver2467 said:Story telling. I do understand the characterization and why the different characters are relevant and used the way they are. Just the plot that makes no sense. "his individual story line in Brightest Day makes no sense. "Character-wise or just from a general point of story-telling? "I'm actually kind of a fan of Johns, which is attributed to the fact that I haven't been reading DC a very long time and I don't know a whole lot of the back story or continuity."
Final Crisis was not altogether Morrison's fault though. He had an original concept that he planned to integrate into it, but his notes had to be revised once some other writers changed what would have been the precursor to his initial design.Fair enough.Johns can be appreciated if you are unable to recognize the alterations he makes to characters and continuity."
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