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    Sent to Earth as an infant from the dying planet Krypton, Kal-El was adopted by the loving Kent family and raised in America's heartland as Clark Kent. Using his immense solar-fueled powers, he became Superman to defend mankind against all manner of threats while championing truth, justice, and the American way!

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    #1  Edited By joshmightbe

    If marvel and dc were the same universe would the man of steel support the governments setinel program knowing that it targeted not just villains but an entire race of people or would he be against it. I know many of marvel's heros turned a blind eye on the mutant hunting machines but superman being a guy who sees the world as more black and white than the grey areas that marvel's heros see would he be ok with this?

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    #2  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt
    @joshmightbe: I doubt it. They'd be around for about fifteen minutes after their activation, then Superman would have just knocked them flat.
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    #3  Edited By joshmightbe
    @FadeToBlackBolt: I know if it was some super villain plot he'd be the first to stop it but it would it being government backed make superman question whether or not to stop it?
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    #4  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt
    @joshmightbe: Superman could never justify genocide, especially since he's one of the last remaining of his own species.
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    #5  Edited By Telcalipoca

    he wouldnt endorse it but i dont see him going against the government to stop them from doing it.

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    #6  Edited By joshmightbe
    @Telcalipoca: do you think he'd atleast speak against it?
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    #7  Edited By Shadowdoggy

    it's hard to say because we dont' know how Superman would feel if there were mutants 
    he might be okay with it, if he felt they were a threat
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    #8  Edited By NightFang3

    No and it would start DC's version of the Civil War event.

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    #9  Edited By joshmightbe

    I'd also be curious to see batman's veiws on it tho im almost certain green arrow would be against it

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    #10  Edited By Primmaster64

    I think Supes would be against it.

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    #11  Edited By Korg

    If Superman and the Justice League existed in the Marvel U, there would probably never have been a Sentinel program to begin with. I can't think of a group that is persecuted in the DCU like mutants are in the Marvel U. There would probably be mutant members of the JLA, which would put an end to the sentinels if they did exist, since they inevitably end up targeting innocent people/causing collateral damage.

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    #12  Edited By Primmaster64
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:
    " @joshmightbe: I doubt it. They'd be around for about fifteen minutes after their activation, then Superman would have just knocked them flat. "
    yep
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    #13  Edited By joshmightbe
    @Korg: there are mutants in the avengers but that hasnt stopped sentinels
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    #14  Edited By Primmaster64
    @joshmightbe: You really think supes in going to let some robots attack innocent lives?
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    #15  Edited By GreenLantern555
    @joshmightbe said:
    " I'd also be curious to see batman's veiws on it tho im almost certain green arrow would be against it "
    If the government was going to make the beings then most likely the products to make these machines would come from Queen and Wayne industries and almost certainly Lexcorp. Superman wouldn't do anything to them until they got out of hand. If they started hurting the JLA for no reason then Kal would say something about it. It would be okay with it till something like that happens, IMO.
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    #16  Edited By Superguy1591
    @joshmightbe: Great question.  
     
    Superman wouldn't stand for it at all. This is where Superman's leadership and diplomatic nature comes into effect. People who don't know Superman keep saying he wouldn't go against the government, but they are wrong. Superman stands for the American people, not the American government--Frank Miller gave Superman that douchebaggy persona in his TDKR and Supes has never shaken that off.  
     
    The sentinel program goes against a few of his core beliefs. He stands for truth, justice and the American way (Life, liberty and the pursuit of property). Superman tries to diffuse the situation by trying to talk to Congress, but as soon as the program starts he'll put an end to it.  
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    #17  Edited By Primmaster64
    @Superguy1591: Exacly
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    #18  Edited By Crom-Cruach
    @Korg said:
    " If Superman and the Justice League existed in the Marvel U, there would probably never have been a Sentinel program to begin with. I can't think of a group that is persecuted in the DCU like mutants are in the Marvel U. There would probably be mutant members of the JLA, which would put an end to the sentinels if they did exist, since they inevitably end up targeting innocent people/causing collateral damage. "
    this.
     
    No way would the sentinel program even get of the ground in DC. But that's because the average person in DC isn't a total idiot like in marvel.
     
    @GreenLantern555 said:
    " @joshmightbe said:
    " I'd also be curious to see batman's veiws on it tho im almost certain green arrow would be against it "
    If the government was going to make the beings then most likely the products to make these machines would come from Queen and Wayne industries and almost certainly Lexcorp. Superman wouldn't do anything to them until they got out of hand. If they started hurting the JLA for no reason then Kal would say something about it. It would be okay with it till something like that happens, IMO. "

    Batman would never participate in anything like the sentinel program it goes against everything he believes in.
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    #19  Edited By GreenLantern555
    @Crom-Cruach:
    Of course he wouldn't, but if they were going to do it, they would need Wayne Industries was what my point was.
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    #20  Edited By Primmaster64

    Like I stated above he would not allow it.

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    #21  Edited By Crom-Cruach
    @GreenLantern555 said:
    " @Crom-Cruach: Of course he wouldn't, but if they were going to do it, they would need Wayne Industries was what my point was. "
    true enough.
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    #22  Edited By Telcalipoca
    @joshmightbe said:
    " @Telcalipoca: do you think he'd atleast speak against it? "
    yeah he wont break the law but he wouldnt let this go on in his home without saying a word as superman and clark kent(newspaper articles)
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    #23  Edited By Telcalipoca
    @GreenLantern555 said:

    " @Crom-Cruach: Of course he wouldn't, but if they were going to do it, they would need Wayne Industries was what my point was. "

    bruce has alll control on what wayne industries does and whom they associate with and if  bruce doesnt want their company taking on a project then they wont.The sentinel project may need wayne industries but bruce wont accept that gov. contract no matter how much they pay.Not only would he not help make sentinels but he would have all the plans on how they work and make devices to shut them down when ever those sentinels are active in his city.
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    #24  Edited By Crom-Cruach
    @Telcalipoca said:
    " @GreenLantern555 said:
    " @Crom-Cruach: Of course he wouldn't, but if they were going to do it, they would need Wayne Industries was what my point was. "
    bruce has alll control on what waybe industries does and whom they accosiate with and bruce doesnt want their company taking on a project then they wont.The sentinel may need wayne industries but bruce wont accept any gov. contracts no matter how much they pay.Not only would he not help make sentinels but he would have all the plans on how they work and make devices to shut them down when ever those sentinels are active in his city. "
    qft.
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    #25  Edited By Theworldbreaker
    @Primmaster64:
    Says the guy with the superman pic,Prime a.k.a Superman prime and star a.k.a allstar superman 
    or am i just jumping to conclusions? lol
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    #26  Edited By reactor

    They already tried something kinda like this in DC, where LexCorp got an assassin/mercenary team (all who hated Superman already) trained and equipped with Kryptonite weapons, as well as a world-scale Kryptonite Bomb. If it weren't for Toyman and his hormonal craving for Power Girl, which drove him to release some kind of nanomachines that subdued the Kryptonite particles, Supes would be forced to be living on Mars or something.
     
    If they tried something, they would probably push Supes outta the way first (along with any other threats), and then make their move.

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    #27  Edited By N7_Normandy
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:
    " @joshmightbe: Superman could never justify genocide, especially since he's one of the last remaining of his own species. "
    this
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    #28  Edited By Korg
    @joshmightbe said:

    " @Korg: there are mutants in the avengers but that hasnt stopped sentinels "

    The Avengers are not the JLA. As I said, there is no persecuted minority that parallels Marvel's mutants in the DCU.
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    #29  Edited By Crom-Cruach
    @Korg said:
    "
    "The Avengers are not the JLA. "
    Or even close to them in personality and power for that matter. And the population in the DC universe are is not made of idiots like in the Marvel verse.
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    #30  Edited By Mighty Max
    @Crom-Cruach said:
    " @Korg said:
    "
    "The Avengers are not the JLA. "
    Or even close to them in personality and power for that matter. And the population in the DC universe are is not made of idiots like in the Marvel verse. "
    Yeah, they actually admire their heroes and not want them hunted down like animals in marvel!
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    #31  Edited By Cavalry
    @Crom-Cruach said:


    No way would the sentinel program even get of the ground in DC. But that's because the average person in DC isn't a total idiot like in marvel.

     
    This. 
     
    The people in marvel are functional douches.  And Superman wouldn't stand for it. 
     
    America is not its government, its its people.  Superman stands up for the average Joe.
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    #32  Edited By Magian

    Superman would have never let something like this to happen in the DC Universe.

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    #33  Edited By nightwing91
    @Shadowdoggy:  Superman believes everyone is equal, he has no problem with meta humans in the DCU, if they were labeled mutants you think that'd change his view of them. NO.
     
    @GreenLantern555: And they don't neccesarily need Wayne Industries, theirs always LexCorp which is more into weapons then Wayne Industries.
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    #34  Edited By CylonDorado

    Sentinals you say?

     
     
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    #35  Edited By Primmaster64
    @CylonDorado: lol!
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    #36  Edited By joshmightbe
    @Korg: you have a point about the avengers cause they don't seem to give a crap about mutants unless they're on the team hence why they let Wanda basically get away with murder cause only mutants died
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    #37  Edited By GreenLantern555
    @nightwing91: Of course they would! Wayne Industries is the most successful company in the DC universe. 
     
    @Telcalipoca said:
    " @GreenLantern555 said:

    " @Crom-Cruach: Of course he wouldn't, but if they were going to do it, they would need Wayne Industries was what my point was. "

    bruce has alll control on what wayne industries does and whom they associate with and if  bruce doesnt want their company taking on a project then they wont.The sentinel project may need wayne industries but bruce wont accept that gov. contract no matter how much they pay.Not only would he not help make sentinels but he would have all the plans on how they work and make devices to shut them down when ever those sentinels are active in his city. "
    I didn't say he would... But the sentinals are basically what Bruce made in Kingdom Come but who knows..
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    #38  Edited By CylonDorado
    @GreenLantern555:
    And wern't the OMAC's from Infinite Crisis also like Sentinals?
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    #39  Edited By joshmightbe
    @GreenLantern555: If the sentinels were built as a blanket crime prevention measure bats might go or it but i doubt he'd support genocide machines
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    #40  Edited By ssejllenrad
    @joshmightbe said:
    " I'd also be curious to see batman's veiws on it tho im almost certain green arrow would be against it "
    Dude Superman protects even aliens. Do you think there's a chance that goody-two-shoes would shun mutants?
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    #41  Edited By nightwing91
    @GreenLantern555: Omacs are different then sentinels in there purpose, Omacs were a measure in case the world's metahumans turned uncontrollable, Sentinels only purpose are machines programed to hunt down and kill mutants just cause they are different. Omacs were batman's answer to what if, the worst happened sentinels are racists answer's to someone different then them.
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    #42  Edited By GreenLantern555
    @nightwing91 said:
    " @GreenLantern555: Omacs are different then sentinels in there purpose, Omacs were a measure in case the world's metahumans turned uncontrollable, Sentinels only purpose are machines programed to hunt down and kill mutants just cause they are different. Omacs were batman's answer to what if, the worst happened sentinels are racists answer's to someone different then them. "
    That's exactly what Sentinels are now. They watch over the Mutants, just incase they do something bad. Exactly like the Omacs. 
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    #43  Edited By Gylan Thomas

    Supe's tends to fall in line with the law so if it was a governement issue he'd let it go.

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    #44  Edited By nightwing91
    @GreenLantern555: sentinel squad one, you know if the mutants numbers grow again it'll go right back to the old ways, there similar for a time but we all know people still hate mutants.
     
    @Gylan Thomas: Thats all frank milalr image supes stands with the people not necessarily the goverment.
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    #45  Edited By GreenLantern555
    @nightwing91: Like me...I just can't get into X-Men. Too many of them...
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    #46  Edited By Gylan Thomas
    @Superguy1591 said:
    " @joshmightbe: Great question.   Superman wouldn't stand for it at all. This is where Superman's leadership and diplomatic nature comes into effect. People who don't know Superman keep saying he wouldn't go against the government, but they are wrong. Superman stands for the American people, not the American government--Frank Miller gave Superman that douchebaggy persona in his TDKR and Supes has never shaken that off.   The sentinel program goes against a few of his core beliefs. He stands for truth, justice and the American way (Life, liberty and the pursuit of property). Superman tries to diffuse the situation by trying to talk to Congress, but as soon as the program starts he'll put an end to it.   "
    Wait....
    what?
    That all sounded pretty sincere untill the "pursuit of property" part. Shouldn't it be happiness?
     
    Can't remember a story where Supe's went against the government.
    I might be wrong though.
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    #47  Edited By nightwing91
    @GreenLantern555: I don't hate them i just think marvel isn't as good as dc is.
     
    @Gylan Thomas: And Superman who lost his planet and most of his entire race, would not stand by watching as his goverment turned on its own people and people of the world for just being different. He would not sit around and watch that kind of death happen even if that put him against his government, his duty is to his country not his government.
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    #48  Edited By Gylan Thomas
    @nightwing91 said:
    " @GreenLantern555: I don't hate them i just think marvel isn't as good as dc is.
     
    @Gylan Thomas: And Superman who lost his planet and most of his entire race, would not stand by watching as his goverment turned on its own people and people of the world for just being different. He would not sit around and watch that kind of death happen even if that put him against his government, his duty is to his country not his government. "
    Any examples of him not bending to the law?
    Even while luthor was prez?
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    #49  Edited By nightwing91
    @Gylan Thomas:
    Hmm off the top of my head none that i can think of but the image of superman being  the goverments puppet seems to be imprinted in peoples mind from the TDKR, Superman stands for Truth, Justice and the American way. Well whats happens if say a shapeshifter took over for the president and launched a missile at china. your telling me Superman wouldn't stop it? If he did that would put him against the government, but yet standing up for what America believes in.
     
    But hats jut hypothetical, I'll look for a concrete example
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    #50  Edited By Primmaster64

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