Superman is definitely one of the most if not the most popular comic book character to date, spawning dozens of "clones"; he's often used as a measuring stick to gauge the strength and power of other heroes and villains. But how would you rate his stats?

The stats I'm referring to are:

• Striking Power
• Heat Vision Potency
• Durability against Blunt Force
• Durability against Energy Attacks
• Combat Speed
• Travel Speed
• Lifting Strength

I'm talking about a Post-Crisis/Post-Flashpoint version of the character, Rebirth basically.

The Scale:

Above - Specify

Star Level

Large/Multi Planet Level

Planet Level

Small Planet Level

Moon Level

Surface Wiping Level

Large/Multi Continental Level

Continental Level

Below - Specify

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Speed

• Massively FTL+ (x1000+ Speed of Light)
• Massively FTL (x100-1000 Speed of Light)
• FTL+ (x10-100 Speed of Light)
• FTL (x1-10 Speed of Light)
• Speed of Light
• Relativistic+ (50%-99% SoL)
• Relativistic (10%-50% SoL)
• Sub-Relativistic+ (5%-10% SoL)
• Sub-Relativistic (1%-5% SoL)
• Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1000-8810.2)
• Massively Hypersonic (Mach 100-1000)
• High Hypersonic+ (Mach 50-100)
• High Hypersonic (Mach 25-50)
• Below - Specify

Callouts ☎:

Which version of Superman are you talking about?

@lvenger: I've said in the OP, Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint, Rebirth basically.

Planet level or maaybe a notch above.

@darkhoudini: Well Rebirth technically isn't as powerful as either Post Crisis or Post Flashpoint Superman but you're basically asking for composite Superman stats. So I get that.

@brucerogers: He doesn't need to be planetary for every stat, for example he might have planetary durability but multi-continental striking power or planetary striking but multi planetary strength.

@darkhoudini: Hmm, then I guess I will let the Superman experts do the talking. Though as Lvenger said, Rebirth Superman is rather nerfed so I dunno.

@lvenger: Why? You mean feat-wise? Feats don't really matter, Rebirth Supes has the same history as both Supermen, he'll need time to get the same feats obviously...

@darkhoudini: Yes I mean feat wise but this thread is about composite Superman so we can count both versions' feats. Will post something soon.

@darkhoudini: Good thread, I see alot of potential here, I will try and do my best to explain where do I rank him on each category, will add scans later if I think its neccesary.

Striking: Moon Level-Small Planet

Superman has three different Moon Busting/Shattering feats, a mind controlled Superman has been capable of one-shotting John Stewarts constructs, which have endured planetary explosion on three different occasions if I'm correct, during his fight Konvikt he hitted the former with enough force to shatter small planets, Post-Flashpoint Superman he has been capable of shaking the entire Planet from the core to the JLA Watchtower during his fight with H'el.

Lifting Strength: Planetary

A composite Superman has feats such as throwing a ship the size of a small Moon before unlocking his potential by Mongul, moving the Warworld, a roughly Moon-sized ship after being affected by Kryptonite, with the help of Hal Jordan he managed to overcome a weakened Starbreaker pull and moved the Earth, Bench-Pressing the equivalent of Earth weight for five straight days while being cut from his power source, he was also capable of keeping the Moon on orbit with the help of Kyle Rayner and later by himself, and his best feat is lifting Brainiac's ship(which was well above a dozen times bigger than our Planet) with the help of The Martian Manhunter, while said ship was moving at 36,000 MPH towards Earth, I will say that this is probably one of the most difficult categories to gauge, on average he's probably planetary or so, perhaps multi-continental, but by High-End Feats he's pushing the Planetary+ category and even entering the Large Planet realm.

Speed: Relativistic-FTL for Combat, FTL-FTL+ for Travel

For combat speed he has too much feats for me to count, but the ones I think are the most impressive include, blitzing Wonder Woman from the Earth to the Sun in less than 2 minutes, bullrusing Doomsday on two different occasions from Earth to Mars and from a a Bizarro Planet to its moon, respectively, fighting Sakki at hypersonic speeds, punching Doomsday 4,035 times before the former could react, he also managed to blitz multiples Imperiex Probes, Blitzing a ship that was moving at ''extra-satured lightspeeds'' among other things.

For Travel speed he has dozens of feats that put him comfortably in the FTL range, he manages to routinely travel from the Earth to the virtually any part of the Solar System in mere minutes, he's capable of travelling to other Solar Systemts with considerable ease and he's has been capable of travelling across the Universe in a matter of months. Not much to say here if you ask me.

Durability: Planteray for both

Low-Tier powerhouses such as Wonder Woman and Icon have had problems hurting him or even flat out damaged themselves attempting in doing so, he has survived an explosion equivalent to a 1,000,000 nukes, he no-sold the explosion of an Imperiex Probe which one-shotted Wonder Woman, he has been punched into orbit on three different occasions by characters that are as strong or even stronger than himself and he tanked it every time. He has been punched across the United Stated with minor discomfort, he tanked getting punched through the planet by Bizarro, he tanked a beam that could crack a continent in half, he survived the explosion of the Great World after being affected by Kryptonite, he tanked the destruction of Warwold(which destroyed Pluto) with only a ring to his ears, he survived the explosion of New Krypton, he survived the collision of Apokolipsis and New Genesis, and his most impressive feats: surving a Supernova, he got KO'd but still extremely impressive.

Heat Vision

Honestly I don't recall many impressive feats for this I don't doubt he has them, I simply can't recall them, but If I had to name a few I would say that him destroying a forcefield that Supergirl & Jonh Stewart couldn't and him greatly injuring N52 Doomsday rank among his best.

• Lifting Strength - Planetary/Large Planet Level
• Striking Strength - Moon/Small Planet Level
• Travel Speed - FTL (10-100 Speed of Light)
• Combat Speed - FTL (x1-10 Speed of Light)
• Durability - Planet Level for both
• Heat Vision - To be honest it's probably below continental level. Superman's heat vision doesn't have great scale or scope to its AOE or destructive capabilities.

Lifting Strength: large/multi planet possibly star level but most likely not there.

Striking Strength: Planet level

Travel speed: FTL+ (x10-100 Speed of Light)

Combat speed: speed of light.

Durability: large/multi planet.

Heat Vision: no clue

• Striking Power - Continent
• Heat Vision Potency - Surface wiping
• Durability (separate for Blunt Force and Energy Attacks) - Large Planet
• Lifting Strength - Planet
• Speed (separate for Combat and Travel Speed ) Massively MFTL

Moon level.

Based on what I've seen, these are Superman's stats:

Striking Power: Moon Level, Small Planet.

Heat Vision Potency: Surface Wiping Level. The reason why I put this at this level is because I've seen Superman's Heat Vision blast an entire planet, but didn't destroy it.

Durability: Planet Level for both.

Lifting Strength: Planet Level, possibly higher but we've never seen his upper limit yet and, personally, I hope we never do.

Travel Speed: FTL+ (x10-100 Speed of Light)

Combat Speed: Relativistic+ (50%-99% SoL). I don't know why some posters placed Superman's combat speed as either FTL or speed of light when there is zero proof of that. Some posters might point out that Superman took Diana all the way to the sun in less than 2 minutes as proof. But it's really not proof since we didn't see Superman punching Diana during the trip. All we saw was Superman taking Diana into space, then flying there with her, then fighting her in orbit around the sun. So we didn't actually see Superman throwing punches at FTL. Other such examples exist but I've made my point. I'm a long time reader of Superman and I've never seen Superman's fists or him fighting at FTL speeds. Not once. His combat speed simply isn't that fast.

Lifting Strength : Planetary/ Large Planet Level.

Striking Power : Moon/Small Planet.

Durability : Planetary for both

Travel Speed : FTL (10-100 Speed of Light)

Combat Speed : FTL (1-10 Speed of Light)

Heat Vision : I don't remember any of his impressive heat vision showings. Maybe continental.

@lvenger: (((Combat Speed - FTL (x1-10 Speed of Light))))

I don't get it. How do you determine Combat Speed here.

Do you only include speed feats that specifically show fights?

@jogga: Basically, combat speed tends to be determined by how fast a character can fight as well as the speed of their reaction times.

@lvenger: I know the definition of combat speed.

But how do you guys actually determine Combat Speed?

Do you take feats of his reactions? Take feats on how fast his limbs move?

Or do you take hyper-specific instances of on-panel statements claiming "I'm fighting faster than the speed of light x5"?

How the **** do you destroy a star with a punch?

@nickzambuto said:

The same way you destroy a planet? Scientifically the "how" exactly doesn't matter so much, you just need to add a certain amount of energy into a system. You could also go by scaling, or similar feats, for example busting a white dwarf or a neutron star is quantifiably very close to busting a star, or if you destroy a planet and the resulting explosion travels interplanetary distances and bust another one, this would also be pretty close to star busting. And finally you could go with canon handbook statements and the like.

But... stars aren't even solid.

@nickzambuto: You could punch the core, white dwarfs and neutron stars are definitely solid, and if for example two characters were to physically fight in the Sun and it got destroyed due to shockwaves then those characters would obviously have Star Level punches. There are ways to show that kind of physical power.

@knight101:

This guy knows what he's talking about!!

Infinite, of course.

Really high

@revan2424 said:

Of course

Flying at speeds around light, he can bust a moon but it'll KO him so around those levels.

@nickzambuto: a star level punches or attack would be equal to the amount of energy a star can explode.

E = mc^2 was Einstein approximation on the energy level a star would explode at.

So the question is, what level of a star? Are we saying the entire star is focused in a small area like a fist?

Wally west said his IMP is equated to the amount of energy of a white dwarf star. That would be his kinetic energy is equal to the total energy of a white dwarf star.

That's how I'd base things.

@nickzambuto, @slimj87d:

a star level punches or attack would be equal to the amount of energy a star can explode.

Not really, supernovae are more powerful than the energy needed to bust our Sun, what I've (and is generally accepted) set as star level. A foe is the average energy of a supernova, and it equals 10^44 joules while our Sun's gravitational binding energy (the energy needed to destroy something) is a bit over 2×10^41 joules, that is 500 times less powerful.

E = mc^2 was Einstein approximation on the energy level a star would explode at.

Um, no, E=mc^2 is an equation that tells us that anything with mass has an equivalent amount of energy or in other words that mass and energy are really the same physical entity, mass is just concentrated energy. It really has nothing to do with stars exploding, well there's probably some way to utilize it, but stars exploding were never Einstein's purpose, the mass-energy equivalence (E=mc^2) comes from his theory of special relativity, i.e. his theory regarding the relationship between space and time.

So the question is, what level of a star? Are we saying the entire star is focused in a small area like a fist?

When I say star level, I mean a star like our Sun, also you don't need to have a star compressed to the size of a fist to punch with enough force to destroy the Sun, in the real world you would just need to accelerate your fist to insane speeds, way over 99.99999% the speed of light insane, in comics you just need the feats.

E = mc^2 is equating mass to energy and energy to mass. It's that simple. The amount of energy a person, truck or star has is the amount of energy they are.

If a star explodes, the maximum amount of energy that it can produce from its explosion is equal to the amount of mass the star is. It cannot produce anymore energy than that. That energy though will be split up into various types of categories (thermal, gravitational, kinetic forces, sate changes, etc) + whatever mass that maybe left over.

@slimj87d: What do you think of his other stats?

It's hard for me to really say. He can run at speeds around Mach 9,000 (maybe he can run faster but off the top of my head he ran at around Mach 9,000 in a scan). He should be to scale like a person that can run at Mach 9000, but then again he can survive colliding into a moon at around the speed of light.

@slimj87d: When stars explode they don't become pure energy, not all of their mass is converted into energy, not even close, the only way to get that maximum amount of energy out of a certain amount of mass in to annihilate an object with an equal amount of antimatter. This doesn't happen when stars explode since antimatter is next to non-existent.

@darkhoudini: did you read my post? Did you see the part where I explained that mc^2 = E total = E thermal + E state changes + etc and etc?

I didn't say the explosion would approach those levels. I said it can never exceed it.

@slimj87d: Of course it can never exceed it, but, as you said, it doesn't come close either, so why mention it?

Deathbattle level

Universal and MFTL lololololol but seriously I've seen a lot of universal feats from Superman in Post Crisis but how come nobody classifies him as universal?

Eh, I have to disagree with these. Superman's striking prowess is city level at best.

@danieldaripper: Because those feats aren't consistent, also PC Superman only has two universal feats to my knowledge.

@thekinfing: I have this one, I will try to post some later

@danieldaripper: Different version of Monarch.

@w0rldwarweeb:

Eh, I have to disagree with these. Superman's striking prowess is city level at best.

And why is that?

@w0rldwarweeb: Superman's striking prowess is city level at best.

You sure about this? Clark has shaken Earth with an indirect punch. It's definitely above city level.

@charan_: @darkhoudini: Pretty sure he's trolling.

@jogga: Basically by all 3 things you've said. Your guessing is pretty good.

@slimj87d: Superman split a moon in half without being KOed by it, just so you know. ^_^

@paragonxxx: I know, but the point was the moon button the speed he hit it. Like driving into a wall at x speed and drivinf into same wall but at 10X speed.

@slimj87d: The Shadow Moon feat is actually above moon level striking power because it was travelling at over 7 million kilometres per hour so Superman would need to have generated more force than needed to bust the actual moon.