Superman Prime One Million's power levels

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#1 Posted by CalebHara (2421 posts) - - Show Bio
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This Superman Prime One Million, and immensely powerful Superman variant that sun dipped for 15,000 years when he was put in exile. Besides showing his god like powers off by one-shotting Solaris, and re-creating Krypton and Lois he is practically feat less. However, because of the way that sundipping works we can estimate how powerful this Superman really is.

You can do this by using the stats of the pre-52 Superman and multiplying them by how long he Sundips. Superman once sunidpped for 15 minutes, and came out 3 times as powerful. Assuming that this level of power never decreases or increases you can get vague calculations of how powerful this guy really is.

It has been calculated that Superman's standard lifting power should be around 6,600,000,000,000,000,000 Tons (6.6 Quintillion Tons) it is possible that he exceeds this capacity.

After Sundipping for 15,000 years, Superman P1M should be able to lift around 10,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Ton (10.4 Octillion Tons) once again, it is possible that he exceeds that number

As for striking power, it has been calculated that Superman has been able to hit with the force of around 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10 Octillion megatons) as far as feats go this seems to be his most powerful strike.

That should put Superman P1M's striking power at around 15,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 megatons (15.8 Undecillion megatons) of force. This makes sense, as he was able to one-shot solaris.

As far as speed goes, Superman has traveled at a speed of 17,000,000,000 (17 billion) miles per hour. Several times faster than the speed of light.

Superman P1M's speed should be around 26,800,000,000,000,000,000 miles per hour (26.8 Quintillion mph) long story short, he is potential one of the fastest beings in DC.

Superman's heat vision can reach the heat of the core of the sun. The core of the sun is 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (27 million degrees F) This is around the temperature of hi heat vision... normally.

SMP1M's heat vision would be around 42,600,000,000,000,000 degrees fahrenheit (42.6 Quadrillion degrees F)

Finally, for durability, Superman has survived a Supernova, and ill leave it at that, the average Supernova hits with a force of around 10 octillion megatons. This means that his durability is almost identical to his striking power. According to physics, this actually makes sense.

This is just an estimate of how powerful Superman Prime One Million is. We'll never really know, but its cool to think about. Once again, this is just an estimate,i was bored. If you think this is wrong, don't hate me for it.

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#2 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

mind.....blown.....

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#3 Posted by FiMFTW (691 posts) - - Show Bio

TL;DR

He's pretty damn buff.

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#4 Edited by drgnx (3782 posts) - - Show Bio

So basically

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#5 Posted by Hyperlight (7671 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: the stuff you said is understandable but my problem with the character is that he became god after a sun dip lol. at most he should be much stronger, faster, more durable, etc but his power set shouldn't have changed that much considering his body only allows for certain powers.

kal kent is dope though

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#6 Posted by George22 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

He also broke through the source wall and has some of the powers of the presence (GOD) he can create entire universes, he trained under the presence swell. Plus he picked up every power he saw on his travels , ( he met the most powerful beings in the universe), he has the powers of a 5th dimensional being. He can literally come out of the comics and bash the writer supposedly. He is impervious to magic , and he has unbreakable armour and a green lantern ring.

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#7 Posted by SOG7dc (11368 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome

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#8 Posted by PowerWoman (3639 posts) - - Show Bio

Infinity more powerful than Silver age superman

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#9 Edited by WIshIWasSuperman (1379 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: the only problem with all that is that he was only in the sun from the 700th century to the 853rd century. And he wasn't "exiled" he left the solar system towards the end of the 21st century because all of his friends and family were dead pretty much, and he left (presumably his son) Superman Secundus to protect Earth. His powers were already greatly enhanced upon his return and when he decided to live in the sun in a new fortress of solitude his powers made it the super sun that powered Kal Kent....

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#10 Posted by George22 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

why do people not understand how powerful SP1G is !?!?!?!?!?!

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#11 Posted by Herokiller12344 (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

You know, I get that Superman gets his powers from the sun. But am I the only one that has to call BS on the concept of "Sitting on the Sun makes a Kryptonian into God" Clark's not an energy sponge.

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#12 Posted by primebonnick (3935 posts) - - Show Bio

the way they made him it seems like he was one step behind lucifer morningstar

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#13 Posted by SanoHibiki (2681 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Edited by ssejllenrad (13110 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or are SMPOM's powers way too much coming from a huge yet finite energy source aka the sun?

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#15 Posted by consolemaster001 (6934 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

So basically

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#16 Edited by Hyperlight (7671 posts) - - Show Bio
@george22 said:

He also broke through the source wall and has some of the powers of the presence (GOD) he can create entire universes, he trained under the presence swell. Plus he picked up every power he saw on his travels , ( he met the most powerful beings in the universe), he has the powers of a 5th dimensional being. He can literally come out of the comics and bash the writer supposedly. He is impervious to magic , and he has unbreakable armour and a green lantern ring.

that's way too much power for a random alien. whats the point of his dynasty if he is already god?

You know, I get that Superman gets his powers from the sun. But am I the only one that has to call BS on the concept of "Sitting on the Sun makes a Kryptonian into God" Clark's not an energy sponge.

I'm with you on that... not trying to be a hater but that's giving kryptonian potential wayyy to much credit

Is it just me or are SMPOM's powers way too much coming from a huge yet finite energy source aka the sun?

even the whole " I learned from the source" thing is too much. Why make an alien the most powerful being in the universe?

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#17 Edited by drgnx (3782 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperlight said:
@george22 said:

He also broke through the source wall and has some of the powers of the presence (GOD) he can create entire universes, he trained under the presence swell. Plus he picked up every power he saw on his travels , ( he met the most powerful beings in the universe), he has the powers of a 5th dimensional being. He can literally come out of the comics and bash the writer supposedly. He is impervious to magic , and he has unbreakable armour and a green lantern ring.

that's way too much power for arandom alien. whats the point of his dynasty if he is already god?

@herokiller12344 said:

You know, I get that Superman gets his powers from the sun. But am I the only one that has to call BS on the concept of "Sitting on the Sun makes a Kryptonian into God" Clark's not an energy sponge.

I'm with you on that... not trying to be a hater but that's giving kryptonian potential wayyy to much credit

@ssejllenrad said:

Is it just me or are SMPOM's powers way too much coming from a huge yet finite energy source aka the sun?

even the whole " I learned from the source" thing is too much. Why make an alien the most powerful being in the universe?

You sound like Lex Luthor!

Here is what the "Aliens" have to say about us!

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Besides, so what if Superman is God.

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#18 Edited by youmessinwithme (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

the battle threads aren't supposed to be match tests. we don't need #'s for everything. especially since non of that is verifiable or even suggested by his comic book appearances.

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#20 Posted by W3BST3R (365 posts) - - Show Bio

@herokiller12344: I have the prefect scan to counter argue, but I can't figure out how to post it fml.

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#22 Posted by Bezza (5019 posts) - - Show Bio

..At last, a superman who could arse kick Thanos!

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#23 Edited by reaverlation (23286 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: Superman Prime probably could

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#24 Edited by DrkRydr (11 posts) - - Show Bio

SuperMan P1M Powers Is Almost,Almost,Almost CLOSE To Google But I DONT Think Superman P1M Powers Level Are Less....SuperMan's Power Level Are Little MOREE Higher,Stronger,Faster Than Mostly Anything.BUT SuperMan's Power Level Gotta Be SomeWhere From Thee Quintillion's,Sextillion's,Septillons,Octillions,Nonillion's Power Level And It Is MOREE,More Than 10 Or 100 GoGeta GT Power Level Put Together....100 Gogeta's Power Levels Are 2.5Billion Each.And SuperMan Power Levels pppffff Are Off Thee Frckn Scale Period.....I Like SuperMan & GoGeta To.But Both Of Them Are Very PowerFul But There NNO0TT Invicible....& Goku Always,Always DIES Almost Every Episode That I Have Seen On Tv Bahahaha lol...And Also I Have Seen Superman Dies NO0TT....SuperMan Never,Never Dies On Cartoons & Movies Tv Series Shows BUT Superman CAN Be In A Coma Maybe Like A Couples Of Days Or Maybe More It Depends On SuperMans Fighting Up Against....BUT This Is My First Time That SuperMan Had His First TransFormation From Normal Superman And NO0WW He Is Superman Prime 1Million In Gold Flesh..Something Like Goku When He Got His First TransFormation From A Saiyan To SuperSaiyan Power Level 1,2,3,4 You See Goku Got A Different Transformation How He Looks On His Body & Hair Thee Works lol And Superman P1M He TransForm Himself Into Gold And His Chest Is Like Thee Ying Yang Symbol Bahahaha lol BUT Superman P1M Have Been Increased Than A Normal Superman And Yes I Know Superman Is Still PowerFul But NO0TT Invicible....

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#25 Posted by DrkRydr (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Miners Well Put Superman's Speed Passes.

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...999,GooGoLoGyizxsmzxs Infinity,Unlimited Mph,MilesPerHour....

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#26 Edited by BRAX (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

So is there anyone who can beat SP1M? Well; I probably should ask for someone to list a few characters that can. I assume Spectre and Anti-Monitor can take him down.

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#27 Posted by arthurkerr (2057 posts) - - Show Bio

@george22 said:

He also broke through the source wall and has some of the powers of the presence (GOD) he can create entire universes, he trained under the presence swell. Plus he picked up every power he saw on his travels , ( he met the most powerful beings in the universe), he has the powers of a 5th dimensional being. He can literally come out of the comics and bash the writer supposedly. He is impervious to magic , and he has unbreakable armour and a green lantern ring.

omg I really laughed my ass off...to damn funny

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#28 Posted by Minaruto (117 posts) - - Show Bio

He is much more powerful than any metahuman.

Imagine Shazam fighting alongside all the other heroes while Solaris was basically swatting flies with them:)

Only S1M and SP1M did anything to Solaris.

Even then, EVERYONE awed at the magnificence of SP1M. He can just about do it all.

Sundipping for 15,000 years affords this Kryptonian more than godly powers.

Fully unlocked and loaded.

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#29 Edited by HeavenlyDarkDragon (2192 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say NICE JOB if most of your calculations were not based on feats shown in All-Star Superman.

Truth is, there's no way to know how powerful S1M was. The closest we can get to an idea is from another Superman, I'm refering of course to Kal Kent the official leader of the Superman Team and one of the JL Alpha members. He said he could jump from one planet to another planet, he was faster than a tachyon, stronger than a collapsed star (I'm assuming he was refering to a black hole), he had all the normal abilities of a kriptonian, he had twelve senses, one of which gave him magical powers, he was seen breaking through the time barrier with sheer brute strength, he had incredible psychic powers (to which point they never expecified), he's so smart that I don't even know if its the equivalent to 12th level intelligence or even beyond, he had quantum energy powers and was immune to kriptonite. Kal Kent had all this powers but even he said that without the Super-Sun, that was Superman-Prime fortress, some (if not most) of his powers would banish. He said that when Superman returned from his journey through the cosmos, that he had transcended and achieved a level of power that surpassed that of any of Superman's descendants. And this was before Superman-Prime decided to make Earth's sun into his fortress and leave humanity in the hands of his descendants, that he would offer suport if any of his descendants needed extra power but he himself would not act directly.

So unlike what you said, he was not forced into exile into the sun, but rather he chose to do so, because after being away for 70.000 years he no longer felt that he had a place in the Earth, with humanity.

Now if Kal Kent had all those powers and some if not most of those powers came from Superman-Prime sun, then we can speculate that Superman-Prime power levels where in a whole new dimension compared to any other. We can say that he's powers where at a omni-level. Where he could actually do anything and everything.

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#30 Posted by Kingant27 (15059 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#32 Edited by undeadtribunal (27 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingant27:

I've been out of comic books for a bit, but... Are you all arguing that absorbing part of the solar output of a single star for 15,000 years, certainly less than 0.00001% of it's lifetime, somehow imbues Superman with such power that he can create universes? You know universes that contain hundreds of billions of galaxies each of which contain hundreds of billions of stars themselves. Is that how science-illiterate writers have become?

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#33 Posted by randell1985 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

well hasn't it been said that Kal El is the reincarnation of the kryptonian god Rao. if that is true him sitting in the sun for 15,000 years may very well bring out his God like powers he inherited from Rao

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#34 Posted by Minaruto (117 posts) - - Show Bio

@undeadtribunal: I don't think that's how it's supposed to be looked at. A short sundip made him very powerful.

Now, after all the years of learning, it must be that he can process that sunlight into making him more than he could ever be before. 15,000 years worth of it. His body make-up and capacity have taken on new heights and we get to see some of it. The math does not work anymore.

What's more funny is the fact that Hulk supposedly gets stronger the angrier he gets. Anger has a limit yet they make it seem limitless. Also being only a human exposed to gamma radiation and have that kind of power is just silly.

At least Superman was born different and superior to humans so there is that explanation.

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#35 Posted by JJ_Was_Here (513 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by Dernman (23293 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude do you realize what you've done. You have brought one of the worst aspects of DBZ to Superman. Powerscaling & calculations.

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#37 Posted by randell1985 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

@minaruto: he was actually born different his father experimented on him self when Bruce was born he was born differently because of said experiments

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#38 Posted by UFT (4537 posts) - - Show Bio

why do people scale off superman but not the other lanterns? if he has a lantern ring and all the power that provides then at bare minimum, supes prime is like hal jordan + silver age superman combined. and that in of itself is some crazy power

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#41 Posted by SanoHibiki (2681 posts) - - Show Bio

@jj_was_here:

Well that's kinda dumb.

It sure was – both the idea and its execution.

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#42 Posted by JJ_Was_Here (513 posts) - - Show Bio

@jj_was_here:

Well that's kinda dumb.

It sure was – both the idea and its execution.

I am not amused.

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#43 Posted by ariesxmasters (4886 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by Mikemercer0421 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry everybody but god spawn would kill superman prime easy

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#45 Posted by Minaruto (117 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem here is that you are saying something that is completely wrong.

He has powers gleaned from the very edge of space and time; that means he's no longer the same Superman that we know. That means his power set consists of more unknown powers from his travels. His body has likely changed as well and that "dip" is possibly permanent and he doesn't lose power any longer.

@calebhara: the stuff you said is understandable but my problem with the character is that he became god after a sun dip lol. at most he should be much stronger, faster, more durable, etc but his power set shouldn't have changed that much considering his body only allows for certain powers.

kal kent is dope though

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#46 Posted by Hyperlight (7671 posts) - - Show Bio

@minaruto: which is fine for the most part, but the most powerful person in existence? really?! that's seems very hyperbolous

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#47 Posted by rendubot (1 posts) - - Show Bio

lol soo sad how you tried to exaggerate his power. At the rate you mentioned of gaining 3 fold of his original power in 15 mins it's simple there are 525949 mins In a year divide that by 15 you get 35063 then you multiply that by 15000 which is 525949000 then times that by 6,600,000,000,000,000,000

which comes to 3.4712634e24 the 24 are more zeros it would end up being in this number range 34,7126,3400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or you could just simply add their decimal places together and it will still be in the same range goku is stronger than that

Let's put into perspective how overpowering goku really is, using only the DBZ canon.

Before you read any further, please note that I am using Power levels as my basis. The powerlevels I use are found here: (dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels). All power levels that I take are from the Official Daizenshuu. They represent the Maximum strength output for that character. All Powerlevels were discontinued after the frieza saga, and therefore any power level afterwards is mere speculation. I will be skewing goku here so that he is weaker than he would be, so that I can remain in line with the DBZ canon

Vegeta, during the saiyan saga has a Power level (PL) of 18,000. With it, his galick gun would've blown up earth, had goku not stopped him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiCrprzMqME).

When he first turns super saiyan, goku has a PL of 150,000,000. Assuming that all vegeta could've destroyed is the one planet, goku's power would allow him to destroy a being with power equal to 8,333.34 planets. Without progressing goku's power level any further, since there are no canon official power levels after that, we'll simply use that value and apply transformations.

SSJ1 = 150,000,000

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 300,000,000

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 1,200,000,000

((SSJ4 is uncanon, and will not be used.))

As a ssj3 without progressing goku's base power any further since the frieza saga, goku can destroy the equivilant of 66,666.67 planets

Along with this,vegeta took goku's 32,000 PL Kaio-Kenx4 kamehameha + his own 18,000 PL Galick Gun. That totals to a PL of 50,000, giving the combined beams the power to destroy 2.78 planets. From this, one can infer that saiyans can withstand an attack of equal or lesser planet-busting capability of 2.78x your own. Meaning SSJ3 goku without progression can tank an attack that can destroy 185,333.34 planets.

Goku, in dragonball runs the 100m in 8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFHPNSPL8U). That yeilds him a speed of 12.5 m/s. Meaning that 1PL = 1.25 m/s (for saiyans). Goku as an SSj3 would have a speed of 1,500,000,000 m/s. 5 times the speed of light (299,792,458). Applying relativity, Goku in SSJ3 would be traveling at 298,970,962. That's more than 99.7% of the speed of light (Thanks to Sunny Sanity from gaiaonline!)

Also in dragonball, a young kid goku (PL 10) is shown picking up a car and throwing it(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMEmEuEKW0). The car seemed similar to the Mini Cooper S Countryman ALL4 (http://mt.kargo.com/entry/view/id/6255/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=bjprizxtkkz). The Cooper weighs 1.6275 tons or 3255lbs. This gives saiyans 325.5lbs/1PL of RAW lift strength, as goku was unable to utilize Ki energy at this point in the series. SSJ3 Goku without progression has a Raw lift strength of 390,600,000,000lbs, or 195,300,000 tons.

Utilizing Ki would augment goku's already immense natural physical attributes.

And to top it all off, all of these values are horrendously lower than the power level post-battle of the gods because no official values for power levels were posted for goku after the frieza saga.

However, we can manually calculate goku's PL to get closer to what it may actually be.

(Quoted from Laurcus on comicvine, edited out parts referring to SSJ4 as it is irrelevant: http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/what-is-ssj4-gokus-power-level-in-gt-740635/)

"SS1 Goku during the Frieza saga was 150 million. When Vegeta left the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Goku stated that he would have had to have gotten 3 times stronger to even stand a chance against Semi-Perfect Cell. It's generally accepted that Goku and Vegeta were about equal pre HTC. So assuming Goku did NOT get stronger from his fight with Frieza and 4 more years of training, that puts SS1 Vegeta at 450 million. Later, when Goku leaves the time chamber, he powers up for Korin. His level of power greatly alarms Vegeta and Trunks, this indicates Goku is now greater than or equal to Vegeta. Goku then reveals to Korin that he only used about half of his power. That puts FPSS Cell saga Goku at 900 mil. Same song and dance for Gohan. Through the course of the story it's revealed he is equal to Goku. Then Gohan goes SS2, which is twice as strong as SS1 according to the Super Exciting Guide. That puts SS2 Gohan at at least 1.8 billion.

Then you get into the Buu saga. SS3 is another x4 on top of SS2, so assuming Goku didn't get any stronger in his 7 years of training, that puts him at 7.2 billion...Supreme Kai states in episode 219 that he is 1000 times stronger than Frieza. As you already pointed out, Frieza = 120 million, times 1000 and you have 120 billion. In Kibito's Daizenshuu entry, it says that Kibito could fight evenly with base form Gohan. Now, if you recall, Supreme Kai was repeatedly outmatched by the Saiyans even in base form. He was scared that even working together, they would not be able to beat Pui Pui, yet Vegeta does so easily, a feat that does not impress Goku or Gohan. It's safe to say that Gohan, (and by proxy Kibito) has a power level much higher than 120 billion at that point, in base form. For the sake of being as conservative as possible though, I'll assume Kibito has a power level of exactly 120 billion.

In the Super Exciting Guide, on page 63, it states that fusion via the earrings is in fact multiplication of power levels. That means Kibito Kai has a power level of at least 14.4 sextillion. Kibito Kai, by his own statements, as well as the statements of Old Kai, Goku and Vegeta, was so weak he would have just been in the way if he tried to fight Buu. Even when Vegeta was trying to fight Kid Buu in base form, Old Kai still warned Kibito Kai that he's too weak to help. From this we can conclude that base form Goku and Vegeta > 14.4 sextillion. Why is there such a giant gap in their power between the fight with Kid Buu and the start of the Buu saga? *shrugs* I don't know. The only thing I can think of is zenkai boosts. That, or Gohan was much much weaker than Goku and Vegeta...And as I've demonstrated, that's lowballing at every point possible, and completely ignoring Goku's 15 years of training after the fight with Kid Buu."

Meaning that by the end of the buu saga, goku's PL is 14.4 sextillion in base.

Pre-BoG Goku base

PL: 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000

Destructive Force: 800,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Durability: 2,224,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Speed: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s (60,206,515,975,956.22 x Light)

Raw Lift: 2,343,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons

Goku can also use kaio-ken to multiply his already immense power level. He's been shown going up to kaio-ken x 20, so that's the max i'd reference. SSJ3 pre-god goku using kaio-ken x 20 allows him to destroy 1,333,333.4 planets, tank 3,706,666.9 planets, move at 30,000,000,000 m/s (80x the speed of light). His lift strength is 3,906,000,000 tons. His PL is 24,000,000,000.

Vegito is the potora fusion of goku & vegeta, and as stated above, would have goku & vegeta's power levels multiplied together. Meaning that Vegito had a PL of around 207,360,000,000,000,000,000,000,768,400,016,360,888,208,504, or 2.0736e+44 in BASE. Vegito as a Super Saiyan would be 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 or 1.0368e+46.

(Using http://www.easysurf.cc/scintd.htm to display values out of scientific notation)

Now to further goku's power. Please keep note that these values will still be lower than they should be, but will get you closer to what it might be at the end of BoG.

Bills is stated to be the strongest character in the history of DBZ. That means he trumps vegito. SSJ1 Goku after attaining super saiyan god is shown to be on par with bills. Bills must be stronger than Vegito, but there is no value to give him. He may be 1.1x stronger or 100x stronger. I don't know. But what I do know is that...

SSJ1 goku post BoG = Bills > SSJ3 Goku Pre-BoG

SSJ1 = 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 (1.0368e+46)

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 20,736,000,000,000,000,000,000,736,440,704,136,928,432,440,400 (2.0736e+46)

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 82,944,000,000,000,000,000,000,944,760,816,544,712,728,760,600 (8.2944e+46)

With these values...

Destructive Power: 4,607,999,999,999,999,488,712,088,728,448,976,984,864,888 Planets

Durability: 12,810,240,000,000,002,048,152,560,088,416,368,320,448,224 Planets

Speed: 103,680,000,000,000,000,000,000,384,200,008,680,944,104,752,496 m/sec (346,789,532,021,507,840,472,584,848,560,232,928,288 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 13,499,136,000,000,002,048,152,056,752,928,128,272,528,424,048 Tons

Apply Kaio-kenx20

PL: 1,658,880,000,000,000,000,000,000,144,200,128,880,104,664,032,936 (1.65888e+48)

Destructive Power: 91,260,000,000,000,000,000,968,440,024,576,296,560,096,200 Planets

Durability: 256,204,800,000,000,000,000,000,056,304,376,128,440,552,480 Planets

Speed: 2,073,600,000,000,000,256,144,456,888,320,904,920,696,400,384,176 m/sec (6,935,790,640,430,156,776,296,048,792,824,128,128,848 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 269,982,719,999,999,936,464,136,608,336,656,480,088,744,688,976 Tons

His destructive force alone is enough to destroy the Universe 92,160,000,000,000,000,000 times over, and survive the explosion. (http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/05/how-many-planets-are-in-the-universe/ calcs the number of planets in our universe at about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.)

moreover I will post some more very obvious and in action examples of his power that someone else thought of and is undeniable goku is on a whole other level from any other super heroe even this very rare situation of super man sitting in a super sun for millenias lol

Edited by sergioRbenitez (9 posts) - 1 year, 5 months ago - Show Bio

I don't use calculations, I'll use relative feats. Here's my take.

Most debates I've seen on here downplay Goku, no one explains what he can do. People also like to say he hasn't proved he's MFTL despite Toriyama saying they are MFTL post frieza saga. They say they've shown no feats in MFTL, but everytime they fight, technically no one can see them. WE can see them because we need to in order to enjoy the anime, that doesn't mean they're not fighting at MFTL. It'd be silly of them to explain they're moving at MFTL speeds when fighting if their opponents are doing the same. How would people like them to prove it? Anyways, its proven in the new movie regardless. SSGod Goku = Bills, and Bills/Whis transverse the whole universe across galaxies from their realm to Earth in just 26min, which is well above light speed. Also, anyone that is MFTL can technically do an Infinite Mass Punch, which has been proven to to be moon busting. I heard it hits like a white dwarf star, but is that a hyperbole? Regardless, Bills destroys stars & solar systems in an instant. Not a hyperbole, because it's spoken of in past tense as he's already done it before. Piccolo even says Bills would destroy the galaxy, but I think that is a hyperbole. He also physically moon busts many moons back-to-back in his realm. This means SSG Goku can do all those feats as well, as he is asked if he'd like to be the next God of Destruction implying he has the same destructive ability. At only SS3 he punched a hole through King Kai's planet which is 10x the gravity/density of Earth despite being smaller. In the series & manga, at only SS3 his power shook the entire earth & could be felt across the universe and realms of the Supreme Kai (www.screwattack.com/news/response-debunking-gokus-feats-and-misconceptions). Now at SSG, he's way stronger than that & he currently only 10% weaker than Bills, they fight as near equals.

DC villains are more or a universal threat however. My take on why DC villains are more dangerous than DBZ villains however, deals with DC villains individual abilities/powers (such as wielding big bangs). In DBZ, villains and heroes all virtually have the same powers, just different power levels. In comparison, it would be as if all Superman's enemies were tougher & tougher Zods each time. So, who Superman has beat doesn't relate to his own power. Know what I mean? Kind of hard to explain. If Superman beats a universe buster, it doesn't mean he can bust a universe. Usually the universe busters in DC simply have that ability, it doesn't correlate to their fighting strength & ability in which Supes can match (Anti monitor an exception). So my view, is that if I can prove Goku is on par with modern canon Supes, Goku could swap places with him in the DC universe and beat the same people Superman has beat. Therefore using comparisons of who beat who is kind of irrelevant. However, in DBZ, since the villains are simply tougher "Zods" to our "Supermen", the power does relate to Goku's own power. If two are equally powerful, they are capable of the same amount of destruction.

At only SS2 Goku fired a kamehameha energy attack that would blow up the Earth. Goku also has instant transmission aka teleportation. Unlike how people claim he needs to concentrate to use it, that is false. People using that excuse fail to mention, was that Goku was moving many people at once and needed to know where to go in that setting. In battle, it takes no concentration whatsoever and he uses it many times back-to-back to cut angles & strike repeatedly against Bills during their fight. Also during their fight, they fight THROUGH the earths crust, punching eachother & busting through it as easy as moving through air. A hot knife through butter. That means they're hitting each other harder than is need to topple mountains. They later take the fight into outer space, where Goku breaths just fine. The SSG transformation has a time limit, but it's irrelevant, as Goku absorbs the power into his own so that he is just as powerful as SSG at his normal SS form now. All the feats Bills can do, Goku is now capable of.

Goku has survived blasts that have multi-planet busting ability. He did escape Namek blowing up when he was only SS1. Plus he took punches from a moon busting Bills. Goku has trained martial arts/techniques under different masters & Gods and he trains every single day of every year. His pure fighting skill is amazing. Goku uses all of his limbs, including cutting angles, teleporting, & every power in his arsenal... constantly. Goku's constantly getting stronger, (and other saiyans) especially gets stronger after a defeat. The worse they are beaten the stronger they are when they heal (all they need to heal is a sinzu bean). That's why Vegeta once got beaten into within an inch of his life on purpose, so he'd be that much stronger when he healed up.

In conclusion, SSG Goku is also more powerful than any GT version, yet slightly weaker than Bills & Whis, which says something because he used a Universal Spirit Bomb in GT which gathered energy from the whole universe into one attack. Goku can wipe out a star, solar system, planets, etc. Hopefully, I've informed you all to the extent of Goku's power. He has been majorly downplayed in most debates I've seen on here. Everything I've stated has been proven in the new movie, or done in the series, and most can be found at (dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Gods) . You can follow the links provided in the article.

(Also, I only used DC/Superman to make a comparison and explain the extent of Goku's power. Not talking shit on Superman)

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@rendubot said:

lol soo sad how you tried to exaggerate his power. At the rate you mentioned of gaining 3 fold of his original power in 15 mins it's simple there are 525949 mins In a year divide that by 15 you get 35063 then you multiply that by 15000 which is 525949000 then times that by 6,600,000,000,000,000,000

which comes to 3.4712634e24 the 24 are more zeros it would end up being in this number range 34,7126,3400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or you could just simply add their decimal places together and it will still be in the same range goku is stronger than that

Let's put into perspective how overpowering goku really is, using only the DBZ canon.

Before you read any further, please note that I am using Power levels as my basis. The powerlevels I use are found here: (dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels). All power levels that I take are from the Official Daizenshuu. They represent the Maximum strength output for that character. All Powerlevels were discontinued after the frieza saga, and therefore any power level afterwards is mere speculation. I will be skewing goku here so that he is weaker than he would be, so that I can remain in line with the DBZ canon

Vegeta, during the saiyan saga has a Power level (PL) of 18,000. With it, his galick gun would've blown up earth, had goku not stopped him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiCrprzMqME).

When he first turns super saiyan, goku has a PL of 150,000,000. Assuming that all vegeta could've destroyed is the one planet, goku's power would allow him to destroy a being with power equal to 8,333.34 planets. Without progressing goku's power level any further, since there are no canon official power levels after that, we'll simply use that value and apply transformations.

SSJ1 = 150,000,000

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 300,000,000

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 1,200,000,000

((SSJ4 is uncanon, and will not be used.))

As a ssj3 without progressing goku's base power any further since the frieza saga, goku can destroy the equivilant of 66,666.67 planets

Along with this,vegeta took goku's 32,000 PL Kaio-Kenx4 kamehameha + his own 18,000 PL Galick Gun. That totals to a PL of 50,000, giving the combined beams the power to destroy 2.78 planets. From this, one can infer that saiyans can withstand an attack of equal or lesser planet-busting capability of 2.78x your own. Meaning SSJ3 goku without progression can tank an attack that can destroy 185,333.34 planets.

Goku, in dragonball runs the 100m in 8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFHPNSPL8U). That yeilds him a speed of 12.5 m/s. Meaning that 1PL = 1.25 m/s (for saiyans). Goku as an SSj3 would have a speed of 1,500,000,000 m/s. 5 times the speed of light (299,792,458). Applying relativity, Goku in SSJ3 would be traveling at 298,970,962. That's more than 99.7% of the speed of light (Thanks to Sunny Sanity from gaiaonline!)

Also in dragonball, a young kid goku (PL 10) is shown picking up a car and throwing it(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMEmEuEKW0). The car seemed similar to the Mini Cooper S Countryman ALL4 (http://mt.kargo.com/entry/view/id/6255/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=bjprizxtkkz). The Cooper weighs 1.6275 tons or 3255lbs. This gives saiyans 325.5lbs/1PL of RAW lift strength, as goku was unable to utilize Ki energy at this point in the series. SSJ3 Goku without progression has a Raw lift strength of 390,600,000,000lbs, or 195,300,000 tons.

Utilizing Ki would augment goku's already immense natural physical attributes.

And to top it all off, all of these values are horrendously lower than the power level post-battle of the gods because no official values for power levels were posted for goku after the frieza saga.

However, we can manually calculate goku's PL to get closer to what it may actually be.

(Quoted from Laurcus on comicvine, edited out parts referring to SSJ4 as it is irrelevant: http://www.comicvine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/what-is-ssj4-gokus-power-level-in-gt-740635/)

"SS1 Goku during the Frieza saga was 150 million. When Vegeta left the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Goku stated that he would have had to have gotten 3 times stronger to even stand a chance against Semi-Perfect Cell. It's generally accepted that Goku and Vegeta were about equal pre HTC. So assuming Goku did NOT get stronger from his fight with Frieza and 4 more years of training, that puts SS1 Vegeta at 450 million. Later, when Goku leaves the time chamber, he powers up for Korin. His level of power greatly alarms Vegeta and Trunks, this indicates Goku is now greater than or equal to Vegeta. Goku then reveals to Korin that he only used about half of his power. That puts FPSS Cell saga Goku at 900 mil. Same song and dance for Gohan. Through the course of the story it's revealed he is equal to Goku. Then Gohan goes SS2, which is twice as strong as SS1 according to the Super Exciting Guide. That puts SS2 Gohan at at least 1.8 billion.

Then you get into the Buu saga. SS3 is another x4 on top of SS2, so assuming Goku didn't get any stronger in his 7 years of training, that puts him at 7.2 billion...Supreme Kai states in episode 219 that he is 1000 times stronger than Frieza. As you already pointed out, Frieza = 120 million, times 1000 and you have 120 billion. In Kibito's Daizenshuu entry, it says that Kibito could fight evenly with base form Gohan. Now, if you recall, Supreme Kai was repeatedly outmatched by the Saiyans even in base form. He was scared that even working together, they would not be able to beat Pui Pui, yet Vegeta does so easily, a feat that does not impress Goku or Gohan. It's safe to say that Gohan, (and by proxy Kibito) has a power level much higher than 120 billion at that point, in base form. For the sake of being as conservative as possible though, I'll assume Kibito has a power level of exactly 120 billion.

In the Super Exciting Guide, on page 63, it states that fusion via the earrings is in fact multiplication of power levels. That means Kibito Kai has a power level of at least 14.4 sextillion. Kibito Kai, by his own statements, as well as the statements of Old Kai, Goku and Vegeta, was so weak he would have just been in the way if he tried to fight Buu. Even when Vegeta was trying to fight Kid Buu in base form, Old Kai still warned Kibito Kai that he's too weak to help. From this we can conclude that base form Goku and Vegeta > 14.4 sextillion. Why is there such a giant gap in their power between the fight with Kid Buu and the start of the Buu saga? *shrugs* I don't know. The only thing I can think of is zenkai boosts. That, or Gohan was much much weaker than Goku and Vegeta...And as I've demonstrated, that's lowballing at every point possible, and completely ignoring Goku's 15 years of training after the fight with Kid Buu."

Meaning that by the end of the buu saga, goku's PL is 14.4 sextillion in base.

Pre-BoG Goku base

PL: 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000

Destructive Force: 800,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Durability: 2,224,000,000,000,000,000 Planets

Speed: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s (60,206,515,975,956.22 x Light)

Raw Lift: 2,343,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons

Goku can also use kaio-ken to multiply his already immense power level. He's been shown going up to kaio-ken x 20, so that's the max i'd reference. SSJ3 pre-god goku using kaio-ken x 20 allows him to destroy 1,333,333.4 planets, tank 3,706,666.9 planets, move at 30,000,000,000 m/s (80x the speed of light). His lift strength is 3,906,000,000 tons. His PL is 24,000,000,000.

Vegito is the potora fusion of goku & vegeta, and as stated above, would have goku & vegeta's power levels multiplied together. Meaning that Vegito had a PL of around 207,360,000,000,000,000,000,000,768,400,016,360,888,208,504, or 2.0736e+44 in BASE. Vegito as a Super Saiyan would be 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 or 1.0368e+46.

(Using http://www.easysurf.cc/scintd.htm to display values out of scientific notation)

Now to further goku's power. Please keep note that these values will still be lower than they should be, but will get you closer to what it might be at the end of BoG.

Bills is stated to be the strongest character in the history of DBZ. That means he trumps vegito. SSJ1 Goku after attaining super saiyan god is shown to be on par with bills. Bills must be stronger than Vegito, but there is no value to give him. He may be 1.1x stronger or 100x stronger. I don't know. But what I do know is that...

SSJ1 goku post BoG = Bills > SSJ3 Goku Pre-BoG

SSJ1 = 10,368,000,000,000,000,000,000,368,720,352,568,464,216,720,200 (1.0368e+46)

SSJ2(SSJ1x2) = 20,736,000,000,000,000,000,000,736,440,704,136,928,432,440,400 (2.0736e+46)

SSJ3(SSJ2x4) = 82,944,000,000,000,000,000,000,944,760,816,544,712,728,760,600 (8.2944e+46)

With these values...

Destructive Power: 4,607,999,999,999,999,488,712,088,728,448,976,984,864,888 Planets

Durability: 12,810,240,000,000,002,048,152,560,088,416,368,320,448,224 Planets

Speed: 103,680,000,000,000,000,000,000,384,200,008,680,944,104,752,496 m/sec (346,789,532,021,507,840,472,584,848,560,232,928,288 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 13,499,136,000,000,002,048,152,056,752,928,128,272,528,424,048 Tons

Apply Kaio-kenx20

PL: 1,658,880,000,000,000,000,000,000,144,200,128,880,104,664,032,936 (1.65888e+48)

Destructive Power: 91,260,000,000,000,000,000,968,440,024,576,296,560,096,200 Planets

Durability: 256,204,800,000,000,000,000,000,056,304,376,128,440,552,480 Planets

Speed: 2,073,600,000,000,000,256,144,456,888,320,904,920,696,400,384,176 m/sec (6,935,790,640,430,156,776,296,048,792,824,128,128,848 xSpeed of Light)

Raw Lift: 269,982,719,999,999,936,464,136,608,336,656,480,088,744,688,976 Tons

His destructive force alone is enough to destroy the Universe 92,160,000,000,000,000,000 times over, and survive the explosion. (http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/05/how-many-planets-are-in-the-universe/ calcs the number of planets in our universe at about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.)

moreover I will post some more very obvious and in action examples of his power that someone else thought of and is undeniable goku is on a whole other level from any other super heroe even this very rare situation of super man sitting in a super sun for millenias lol

Edited by sergioRbenitez (9 posts) - 1 year, 5 months ago - Show Bio

I don't use calculations, I'll use relative feats. Here's my take.

Most debates I've seen on here downplay Goku, no one explains what he can do. People also like to say he hasn't proved he's MFTL despite Toriyama saying they are MFTL post frieza saga. They say they've shown no feats in MFTL, but everytime they fight, technically no one can see them. WE can see them because we need to in order to enjoy the anime, that doesn't mean they're not fighting at MFTL. It'd be silly of them to explain they're moving at MFTL speeds when fighting if their opponents are doing the same. How would people like them to prove it? Anyways, its proven in the new movie regardless. SSGod Goku = Bills, and Bills/Whis transverse the whole universe across galaxies from their realm to Earth in just 26min, which is well above light speed. Also, anyone that is MFTL can technically do an Infinite Mass Punch, which has been proven to to be moon busting. I heard it hits like a white dwarf star, but is that a hyperbole? Regardless, Bills destroys stars & solar systems in an instant. Not a hyperbole, because it's spoken of in past tense as he's already done it before. Piccolo even says Bills would destroy the galaxy, but I think that is a hyperbole. He also physically moon busts many moons back-to-back in his realm. This means SSG Goku can do all those feats as well, as he is asked if he'd like to be the next God of Destruction implying he has the same destructive ability. At only SS3 he punched a hole through King Kai's planet which is 10x the gravity/density of Earth despite being smaller. In the series & manga, at only SS3 his power shook the entire earth & could be felt across the universe and realms of the Supreme Kai (www.screwattack.com/news/response-debunking-gokus-feats-and-misconceptions). Now at SSG, he's way stronger than that & he currently only 10% weaker than Bills, they fight as near equals.

DC villains are more or a universal threat however. My take on why DC villains are more dangerous than DBZ villains however, deals with DC villains individual abilities/powers (such as wielding big bangs). In DBZ, villains and heroes all virtually have the same powers, just different power levels. In comparison, it would be as if all Superman's enemies were tougher & tougher Zods each time. So, who Superman has beat doesn't relate to his own power. Know what I mean? Kind of hard to explain. If Superman beats a universe buster, it doesn't mean he can bust a universe. Usually the universe busters in DC simply have that ability, it doesn't correlate to their fighting strength & ability in which Supes can match (Anti monitor an exception). So my view, is that if I can prove Goku is on par with modern canon Supes, Goku could swap places with him in the DC universe and beat the same people Superman has beat. Therefore using comparisons of who beat who is kind of irrelevant. However, in DBZ, since the villains are simply tougher "Zods" to our "Supermen", the power does relate to Goku's own power. If two are equally powerful, they are capable of the same amount of destruction.

At only SS2 Goku fired a kamehameha energy attack that would blow up the Earth. Goku also has instant transmission aka teleportation. Unlike how people claim he needs to concentrate to use it, that is false. People using that excuse fail to mention, was that Goku was moving many people at once and needed to know where to go in that setting. In battle, it takes no concentration whatsoever and he uses it many times back-to-back to cut angles & strike repeatedly against Bills during their fight. Also during their fight, they fight THROUGH the earths crust, punching eachother & busting through it as easy as moving through air. A hot knife through butter. That means they're hitting each other harder than is need to topple mountains. They later take the fight into outer space, where Goku breaths just fine. The SSG transformation has a time limit, but it's irrelevant, as Goku absorbs the power into his own so that he is just as powerful as SSG at his normal SS form now. All the feats Bills can do, Goku is now capable of.

Goku has survived blasts that have multi-planet busting ability. He did escape Namek blowing up when he was only SS1. Plus he took punches from a moon busting Bills. Goku has trained martial arts/techniques under different masters & Gods and he trains every single day of every year. His pure fighting skill is amazing. Goku uses all of his limbs, including cutting angles, teleporting, & every power in his arsenal... constantly. Goku's constantly getting stronger, (and other saiyans) especially gets stronger after a defeat. The worse they are beaten the stronger they are when they heal (all they need to heal is a sinzu bean). That's why Vegeta once got beaten into within an inch of his life on purpose, so he'd be that much stronger when he healed up.

In conclusion, SSG Goku is also more powerful than any GT version, yet slightly weaker than Bills & Whis, which says something because he used a Universal Spirit Bomb in GT which gathered energy from the whole universe into one attack. Goku can wipe out a star, solar system, planets, etc. Hopefully, I've informed you all to the extent of Goku's power. He has been majorly downplayed in most debates I've seen on here. Everything I've stated has been proven in the new movie, or done in the series, and most can be found at (dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Gods) . You can follow the links provided in the article.

(Also, I only used DC/Superman to make a comparison and explain the extent of Goku's power. Not talking shit on Superman)

This is cool and all in theory, but its already been debunked numerous times that goku will never be a match for superman. Nearly everything that goku is said to be able to do is all speculation. Everything. On top of that, anyone who really studies dbz knows that the characters really havent changed in terms of power since practically dragonball. On top of that, it has already been stated that ssj levels 2-3 were introduced as an illusion of gettting stronger....hence why the same exact thing happens every fight. To end in all off, in terms of actual feats that are stated, goku has literally nothing. Heck the new movie just destroyed him. SSj God goku nearly dies by a beam rifle. A freaking beam rifle! So much for durability feats that are actually proven instead of speculation.

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Anytime you start seeing calculations using random numbers with a bunch of 0s you know it can't be good

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HE CREATED A UNIVERSE,MADE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR DNA AND HAS THE POWER OF GODS.

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