Did you read JL VS SS #2? What the hell are they doing to Superman?

Um what did they do?

no the jla just hold back also dc and marvel share writers so both companies would be considered mentally ill

Justice League was holding back for plots sake. Without nerfing JL, an event like this wouldn't be possible.

@mightykalel: I understand that. But trying to nerf JLA IS NOT THE SAME THING to make enchantress ko Supes. The fight between WM and Harley or Aquaman and Killer Croc was ok, plot wise

@seastone98: ...but aren't they?

@costy21: You are correct. All other JL members did better than Clark.

@costy21: why not, Ihaven't seen supes deal with magic in quite a while, one of the last times was when Constantine took him down in Trinity War

this isn't the first time someone with magic brought down supes cause he wasn't being careful

@mrnoital: you know he is super smart he could simply learn a few spells and protect himself from it. I mean any good writer would have him do that.

Wait, so anyone can learn spells and do magic? Teach me sensei!

Normally that's not how magic works in DC.

@ouroborik: Well it depends on the research you have done but from what i have researched its all about will power and so fourth.

Incantations and this is just magic in the world today.

Even the bible speaks of doing things through faith as one would a spell.

So Superman has one of the strongest wills in the dc universe all his powers are through the force of will.

Flight to heat vision to seeing tiny sub atomic worlds.

He should be able to do magic.

As they said in Dr Strange anybody can do magic you just have to have the desire to learn.

@kiba: meh that's debatable

Ok first of all do your homework, Suoes has always had a vulnerabltoy to magic so him getting beat be the enchantress isn't as bad as you think. Also she's the fucking enchantress she's in the same league as Zatanna a magic user who could while the floor with Suoerman because you know she has magic.

Yeah...you clearly don't know how the real world works

if I remember , to do magic , you have to be Homo Magi(like Zatanna) or study extensively for years (like Constantine)

Even Superman cannot be all places at one time. Spells or no spells. He does have a life and it is a huge universe.

Not even 100 member team would do the job as well.

They need to make a justice league movie true to color with large numbers of people on the watch tower going to and fro and yes why not have superman know a few magic tricks.

Every story does not have to be connected to every other story.

I hate when they make it as if all things took place in the same universe.

I like connection do not get me wrong just to a point and after that point they need to restart the engine that made it all work.

To start fresh no more gimmicks no trying to fool fans into buying something that they put no effort into.

Nobody likes reading a book with a horrible ending, yet alone supporting and ongoing book that has burned your idea of a good read for a long time.

Bring back character and then when they say.

Superman vs or Superman does what ever....

We know just whom they are referring to.

So what I know of magic and the research I have done does not apply but we can say the same of KI or chi from Dragon ball Z.

Superman could just as easily learn to control his chi or ki same thing.

Then people would say.

Oh no that is something only they do in that universe.

Chi being the life force of the universe the energy of the boy mind and soul.

It really comes down to one thing.

Will it make a great story.

Can one book become twenty books and when your reading those twenty books will you have your socks blown off your feet because your mind just is amazed by the story going on in the pages of the comic world before you.

Because when you seek to do same old stories another day.

People will not read the book and they go onto other things.

I say only....

They made a man fly.....

Is it so hard to imagine that same man doing a little magic.

Maybe we need to look again at just how big the universe truly is.

Yeah, you are either born with the talent, usually as part of your heritage, as ,like you say, Zatanna. Or you've mastered a magical trinket, like the Helm of Nabu.

Constantine however I would caution against, because there is something about him and his bloodline. It's not just training with him. Like in the Sandman we were introduced to a Johanna Constantine who oddly enough also hunted things that went bump in the night, while Morpheus made a mention of her being the 'Constantine' of that era.

Can someone spoil me how he gets taken out please.

If you can provide scans it would be much appreciated.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Superman only has 1 page of his 'fight' with Enchantress and the rest happens off panel. And then there's added insult to injury when Killer Frost absorbs Superman's life energy to amp her power and incaps the League in ice. What a plot device.

@lvenger: Thank you very much Lvenger.

Not gonna lie.... I'm triggered as hell with this.

Incredibly ridiculous. Ugggghhh. Hate this.

It's like having Thor job in a fight against the Thunderbolts.

Jimmies officially rustled.

This was kinda my problem with the plot of Suicide Squad. I didn't mind the film, in fact I had fun with it but the idea of the Squad being assembled to take a Superman level threat seemed ludicrous. They're barely noticeable to him on a power level. But eh, worst things have happened to the Man of Steel.

@z3ro180: Superman wasn't always weak against magic. Anyways, isn't this supposed to be Pre-52 Superman? The same guy who was able to withstand a magic blast that incapacitated people with high magic resistance like Wonder Woman and Zauriel...

Have you ever read the DC vs Marvel Justice League (Morrison line up) vs the X Men? X men was taken out by Jean grey.

@thearchon: Yes. The same guy. DC, they do something good. Then they f*** it up.

@thearchon: he has always been weak to magic and in the issue JL vs SS both him and enchantress are beat it's really Killer Frost that beats him by assorbing his energy and she was only able to do that because he was weakened by their fight.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: @lvenger: So it's bad that Superman got beaten by a powerful magic user and a heat vampire used his stored up solar energy to capture the league. Talk about biased opinions.

Don't mind Supes getting knocked down by Enchantress, he is vulnerable to magic and of course his goodness/calm rational approach to dealing with June was taken advantage of by Enchantress, in fact i believe only her being a match for his level of a threat even as far as the movie is concerned but come on does he have to transform into a withering husk of himself every time his energy is used up or absorbed.

The only thing that irked me was that their fight was mostly off panel. Give Superman a little more screen time (respect) than that if you're gonna make his short fall a plot device to take down the League, I think WW and Harley got more pages for their encounter.

And if Killer frost really did absorb that much of his heat energy she could easily freeze the league.

Anyway, remember this? Ahh good times.

I hope you know Enchantress is not some random sorceress. Zatanna struggled with her and couldn't even really deal with her. Not to mention Superman isn't going to punch her to the moon to stop her. Ugh you would expect Superman fans to understand his personality before they open their mouths.

This is atrocious. One of the most poorly written issues I've read all week. Absolutely pathetic.

1: That was New 52 Superman. This is Pre Flashpoint Superman.

2: His "fight" with Enchantress was mostly off-panel, and Killer Frost was somehow able to absorb his life energy to incap the entire Justice League. How does that even make sense? They nerfed him to hell, we barely got see to his fight with Enchantress, AND he gets his life force absorbed out of nowhere.....by freaking Killer Frost!? Seriously?

:|

Then why make the event? Either expand the SS with more powerful members or don't do the event at all. This issue was downright embarrassing, a complete joke.

I think they have something big in mind. This series so far has addressed the manipulation of dimension, missing time, legionaries etc. May be this event would pave path to that.

You people just don't understand what is real Suicide Squad here.

They could've done that with any other event though.

@rubear said:

@mightykalel said:

@knightsofdarkness2 said:

@mightykalel said:

Justice League was holding back for plots sake. Without nerfing JL, an event like this wouldn't be possible.

Then why make the event? Either expand the SS with more powerful members or don't do the event at all. This issue was downright embarrassing, a complete joke.

I think they have something big in mind. This series so far has addressed the manipulation of dimension, missing time, legionaries etc. May be this event would pave path to that.

You people just don't understand what is real Suicide Squad here.

That's an okay squad I guess, but it needs more powerful members IMO.

@outside_85: After researching the whole magic thing in dc. Wow it is horrible on a grand scale.

So to put Dr. Strange from Marvel.... would scratch his head in utter amazement it is even called magic.

However the Marvel universe has a few ticks itself.

So charmed it is not or any of the fantasy worlds where a mage cast a spell incants fire or brings about the lost worlds of a million or more journeys to the unknown.

So a mage is really not a mage at all just some oddball with a trinket or one whom focuses energy of a magical nature. Not true magic in the least.

So could Clark learn Magic and the answer is always yes.

Could Clark learn magic that the dc world uses.

That answer is , why would he want to?

...I didn't read that, didn't buy the comic, don't know the circumstances, but that screams "bullsh!t" to me

At least they were self aware about it.

Probably because they want the league to get caught and came up with some way to let Batman break them free.

And they never show how exactly does killer frost take down the league.

@thearchon said:

And what the difference? Both he and New-52 Superman have "resisting magic" high feats - as well as instances of serious jobbing against it. Writers simply bend this whole "vulnerable to magic" concept to fit their current plot. Nothing is new.

Superman can study at Super-speed, he could master magic in no time, if he has affinity ... but at what cost?

@the_kidd: lol

Is anyone actually still surprised?

Sup's (both of them) been knocked around questionably a few times consistently now

Flash being weakened by cold powers is also nothing new, Aquaman is questionable, but with enough power thrown at him could see him going down. Cyborg got hurt by her prior to the power up, so not much to say there.

Batman not being prepared is pretty straight forward (this is like a Super amp-ed Mr. Freeze)..

Not sure about the Lanterns and WW. Could also be overwhelmed with Killer Frosts boost and the others SS members helping her.

Superman has been weak to magic since the Silver age. Nothing new.

You mean to say that a major line-wide event advertised as "superpowered characters punching each other" is full of hamfisted and contrived writing? What a shocker

Yeah post-crisis supes is generally written to be more vulnerable to Magic, he's so busy trying to be a normal guy taking care of Lois and whatnot I guess he never has time to learn magic or at least seek protection from it, although the story wouldn't be bad, it's never been done before.

Really doesn't need Magic(or protection), he has the will and the durability to withstand it better than anyone human or even magical themselves. Jobbing feat doesn't count as him being actually weak to magic, if Superman gets a rematch, he's wipe the floor with Enchantress. Thats how it always be.

He still can 70% overpower someone with his physicals alone. Like someone said, it's depends on the writer, he jobs to magic because writers allow it.

@viral4343: I'm with ya, Superman's abilities alone with already enable him to indirectly counter most forces of Magic. I think it's cool he jobs to Magic and it's fun to watch him go up against Black Adam, enchantress. There's a president for Superman being weak to Magic, but PC supes more so because instead of moving a planet or something he tends to take it on the chin a little bit more