The Thermodynamics, Mechanics and Feats of Storm's Powers #2

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Welcome to the new Thermodynamics Thread! We decided to start a new one to make things more streamlined for readers.

The Original Thread can be found here

Special thanks to:@White Mage@THUNDERBOLT30@Storm Calling@Son Of Storm for the wonderful contributions to make this thread what it is.

Welcome to Storm's power discussion thread. Here we will discuss the fascinating wonders of Storm's powers. We are gonna focus on the science of how her powers work as well as the feats she has accomplished with these powers. Feel free to contribute scans of feats I may have missed or couldn't find. Just be sure not to post any duplicate scans and remember that the neater the post the easier it is for others to interpret. So keep it neat. I'll get the ball rolling and start with how Storm utilizes her powers.

Energy Sight

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It is commonly misconstrued that Ororo merely just controls the weather, however this is not the case for this powerful mutant. Storm actually has the ability to perceive, sense ,and manipulate multiple forms of energy that relate to weather phenomena. These energies include Thermal, Kinetic, Electric, Electromagnetic, Radiant/Luminous, Tidal and Potential energy. All of these factor in the weather conditions of the entire universe. Her powers can be described as a weather based ergokinesis. So in short Storm is one extremely powerful energy manipulator. Given the fact that her powers adapt to different environments gives Storm much versatility in power usage. However in this blog we will be focusing on the forms of energy Storm manipulates on a daily basis with only a few exceptions.

When ever we see Storm's beautiful blue eyes change into the iconic white, we see it as an awesome attribute and a signal that she's about to open up a can of whoop arse. What most don't know is that when her eyes glow white she perceives the world as energy instead of solid matter. This gives her the ability to see things that the human eye can't including the cataracts of the human nervous system. This ability also expands her awareness of the environment around her.

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Theses energies that are perceived can also be manipulated psionically by Storm. By manipulating these energies she's able to perform the awe driven feats we love. We see all of the energy that Storm manipulates doing work in our own world as a form of kinetic energy and/or potential energy. When we see the wind moving through trees, that's kinetic energy. Potential energy can be found in storms varying from thunderstorms to full fledged hurricanes. So as you can see the energies can create wondrous and devastating effects. But let's take a look at these energies in their own arrangements.

Electric Energy

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Electric Energy the presence and flow of an electric charge. The energy portion of electricity is found in a variety of phenomena such as static electricity electromagnetic fields and lightning.The concept of electrical energy is defined using a variety of different terminologies such as charge, current and potential.

This is Storm's primary energy source. Since her debut Storm has shown a lot of raw power with this energy source as well as acute precision. In lightning, electric potential energy transforms into light, heat and sound energy. This is how most people register lightning bolts. Storm on the other hand can sense these electrons even before they erupt into bolts. Electrons in atoms exist in spherical shells of various radii, representing energy levels. The larger the spherical shell, the higher the energy contained in the electron. Storm can manipulate these energy levels to intensify or weaken her lightning bolts.

Electrical energy is also found in the our bodies. We have a complete human electricity system throughout the body. This system gives us the ability to move feel and even think. Due to her connection to electrical energy Storm could potentially manipulate the electrical impulses of the human nervous system. Due to the fact that our bodies are huge masses of atoms we naturally produce electricity. Storm can manipulate the electricity generated from her body to create the bio-electric bolts we see coming from her hands. She is also able to intensify or weaken these bolts as she does her lightning but on a much smaller scale. These bolts have been strong enough to affect Rogue (50 tonner), Blob (60 tonner), Adaptoid with Rd Hulk (100 tonner) Colossus (100 tonner), and even effected the savage Hulk (reviving him with her lightning, and combined with capables TP bullet shut off his brain), and has effected Silver Surfer and Stardust

Creating massive lightning strikes

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Electron manipulation and bio-electricity

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Electromagnetic Energy

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Also known as Electromagnetic Radiation, EM Energy is the mixture of electric fields and magnetic fields combining together causing the flow of electricity to generate multiple effects. . The electromagnetic force is second in effective strength only to the strong force and is infinite in range. Storm has a direct relationship with this source of energy. She was able to channel a large amount of EM energy into Collossus at one point and has also shown the ability to create EMPs of varying degrees. Electromagnetic radiation is classified according to the frequency of its wave. One classification would be gamma rays. Using a combination of gamma radiation and kinetic energy Storm was able to deflect solar flares from the sun. Since Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces of the universe, Storm is able to use this source of energy to amplify her other abilities.

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Kinetic Energy/Tidal Energy

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The Kinetic Energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion. Wind is the kinetic energy of air in motion, which explains her direct connection to air currents. The kinetic energy of the air masses passes through each square meter of space in each second and we are able to feel the effects. With enough of this Kinetic energy Storm can create some disastrous phenomena such as tornadoes and hurricane force winds. Wind is a constant energy source for Storm and her connection to this energy source grants her the power of flight, topography as well as awareness of some sort. Using wind Storm can produce powerful wind currents and jet streams as a means of transportation. Relatively strong winds concentrated in a narrow stream in the atmosphere, Jet streams normally refer to horizontal, high altitude winds. By riding these powerful winds Storm can reach high speeds without the ill effect of jet-lag. Storm has been able to familiarize her location due to the air formation (kinetic energy) in a surrounding area. By registering the shape of the air masses, she recognizes which continent she is located on or near. Because wind is everywhere Storm can sense disruption with the natural flow of air. She can also convert kinetic energy into air pressure, or compressed air. She's been able to produce air pressure strong enough to punch holes through mountains and create a Jovian Pressure field contain a small scale nuclear explosion. She's also shown the ability to shape this energy to form a replica of her face in a tornado.

Pressure domes, Gale force winds and Tornadoes

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This form of energy also enables Storm (and others on some instances) to take flight. She has been able to carry an entire roster of X-men using her winds. She can also produce winds strong enough to travel at 700mph+ speeds. On two occasions Storm has shown flight capability to match jets (even during reentry), out fly Rogue, keep up with Cannonball and reach lengthy distances in such short periods of time.

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Update:

In a recent issue of X-men vol 4, Storm was put to the test when Rachel caused a massive cave in. She moved so fast that she broke the sound barrier during flight. Which confirms she can fly at supersonic speeds (700mph+)

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Kinetic and Potential energy can be found in the waters as well to form Tidal Energy. This form of energy converts tides into other useful forms of power, especially electricity. Tidal power is the only form of energy which derives directly from the Earth's motion relationship with the moon and Sun. When Storm is underwater she is able to manipulate Tidal energy in the same fashion as she does the air. By manipulating this form of kinetic energy she's able to create potent currents to lift the black bird from deep depths. Storm has also been able to create tidal waves as well as ride the tides without the aid of a surfboard.

Waves, Tides and Tsunamis

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An alternate way for Storm to create high tides is through surges. Storm surges are produced by water being pushed toward the shore by the force of the winds. Storm was able to create a localized storm surge to destroy a house full of thugs.

Thermal/Internal Energy

Also can be seen as Internal energy (or at least a part of it), Thermal energy is a sample of matter that results in the temperature of a thermodynamic system. The Sun is a great source of Thermal Energy and we feel the effects with each changing season. Storm has manipulated Thermal Energy to rise or lower the temperature in her surrounding area. This way she can create blizzards and flash freeze her opponents. She can also use this ability to create summer time conditions in the middle of winter. Her connection to Thermal energy branches off to Internal energy since Thermal energy is apart of it. Internal energy is the total kinetic and potential energy associated with the motions and relative positions of the molecules of an object. An increase in internal energy results in a rise in temperature and vice versa. Storm was able to lower the internal temperature inside a gun -200 degrees even after it had been shot. Another instance had Storm manipulating the internal temperature of the Phalanx to the point that the organic fibers of the monster separated from it's technical fibers.

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Internal energy is also found in the human body. It can be theorize that Storm could possibly manipulate the temp. within the human body the same way she does her very own. The hypothalamus, found in the brain, regulates the body's temperature (usually around (98-100 degrees F). Due to her mutant genetics, Storm's hypothalamus allows her body to regulate and compensate extreme temperature (internal and external).

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Radiant/Solar Energy

Radiant Energy is the energy of EM waves and can be transmitted in the form of electromagnetic radiation. The Sun as well as other stars produce radiant energy and given the right circumstances Storm can manipulate this energy on a large scale. Outer Space contains elements of much larger quantities and potency than that on Earth which is why Storm's powers are seen as amped during her time in space. Storm was able to manipulate the radiant energy from the solar corona of the sun and convert it to Solar winds to fly in space as well as created a 12 Force Gale to destroy a sentinel backed by the FULL power of the sun. Both are impressive feats but the most ambiguous display occurred when Storm summoned the full power of an entire galactic core within herself to stop a brood transformation.

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Potential Energy

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This stored energy, is the ability of a system to do work due to its position or internal structure. Storms of all shapes and sizes have potential energy. This potential energy is converted the forms of energy that make up these systems. Storm abilities grant her the power to channel and even convert the potential energy of storm systems whether it's a rainstorm, blizzard or hurricane. In her very first appearance Storm was able to channel the potential energy of an entire tempest into Lorna Dane to augment her abilities. One instance where Storm unintentionally created a hyperstorm, she once again had to tap into the potential energy of the storm to prevent it from growing any further. Another instance had Storm manipulating the potential energy of Shaman's blizzard in order to muster control over the storm. She has replicated this feat many times on different scales. The largest being when she channeled the potential energy of the entire Trion dimension in order to heal it's inhabitants.

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Chemical Energy

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Chemical Energy is energy stored in the bonds of chemical compounds, atoms and molecules. Metabolism is connected chemical energy and is seen as one of the easiest sources of energy. The energy produced keeps us warm, maintain and repair bodies, and makes us able to move about. In Storm's case she is able to use her mutant metabolism to generate/channel electricity and other faucets of weather from her body. This form of energy also enables her to alter the state of certain elements (water/air). It can also be theorized that she is able to transmute the unstable molecules of her costume into multiple forms of fabric through chemical energy. One of the most arcane display of chemical energy occurred during Xtreme X-men where Storm created a bathing suit out of thin air. This ability isn't seen very often from Storm so it can be difficult to comprehend the full scope of this ability.

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Chemical energy is stated to be the energy of life that because it is related to every single process of life on earth. From the food that we eat to the clouds forming in the sky to make rain, the process of chemical energy can be seen all around us. Plants transform solar energy into chemical energy through the process known as photosynthesis. The connection Storm has to this energy gives her awareness of living things around her especially plant life.

Biosphere and Atmosphere

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Each of these wonderful abilities are quite efficient in their own department. However the most fascinating display is when these energies work together in unison. Storm has shown very creative arrangements with her powers.

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Connections, Immunity and Resistance by Storm Calling

Storm has a tremendous array of branches within her powers. Some of which I would like to go into detail myself

Subconscious/Communion

Described as a larger consciousness, her instincts, her subconscious, and the biosphere at work, Storm has a special connection to her elemental surroundings that grant her an instinctual understanding of the orders of nature and vice versa, with nature understanding her. Ororo has described this communion as the source that sustains her power and more importantly her soul. She can become "one" with this larger consciousness/Biosphere and molds the elements to her wills desire. It has been revealed that this connection works both ways. The elements can deny her control as well as act without her conscious consent. This mainly has to do with her emotional connection to her surroundings and could be perhaps what she really wants without subconsciously considering the consequences. Though this is not always the case, such as when the elements were much more violent than what she had wanted them to be on a vampire island; which forced her to completely stop using her powers altogether in fear of destroying her partner Gambit at the time of a mission(the elements were corrupt by dark magic); or when Doom's forest created a powerful paroxysm, when it used Storm to focus it's revenge against the men trying to destroy it, when she was too weakened to do so herself. This communion is always active, which allow for Ororo's powers to activate at a much quicker pace than one would suspect that they could. They can generate before a conscious thought, at an instinctual level and even instantaneously; considering the fact that the elements already do work at a subconscious level before Ororo makes a conscious thought, thanks to their communion with one another.

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(see the "Biosphere and Atmosphere" and the "Potential Energy" section above for more related scans)

Immunity

None of the weather that Storm manipulates can directly harm her, as her body compensates to accommodate for the extreme and harsh conditions of the weather. The atmosphere close to her body, such as heat, air pressure, and wind sheer may perhaps be automatically/subconsciously altered for her to survive and feel no ill effects. This is due to her communion with the biosphere(as discussed above) and her ability to be aware and in sync with her environment at all times. Therefore, Storm is immune to her power manifestations and all forms of extreme weather, but may(to a degree) be harmed if another being with elemental abilities assaults her with them, or if she is placed within an environment that is not fully under her command; considering her immunity relies to a extant on the amount of influence that she has over the elements. This however does not leave her necessarily vulnerable to an attack, since her subconscious may compensate automatically if Storm herself would perceive this to be a primal threat.

Her body itself is also highly resistant to the elements and has displayed high resistance to attacks such as lightning redirected back at her from Thor's hammer, a fire blast from Legion and the colds of deep space. She has also shown that she is capable of redirecting/countering attacks that are out of her control and that may do harm to her body before they hit her. These have included lightning bolts [Update: As of Storm #2, she is now apparently completely immune to lightning, even if caught off guard by it], fire blast, energy based attacks and wind assaults. It should be also noted that the state of the physical condition of her body and her mind does have a profound effect on her immunity and control. She's struck herself down with her own lightning and been effected by the attacks that she is normally immune to.

(See the second set of scans in the "Thermal/Internal Energy" section above for more related scans)

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Precision/ Accuracy

Many may not know that Storm's ability to command the energy systems of an atmosphere also involve controlling the forces that pattern and factor the weather, such as heat, moisture, electricity and of course, air. This somewhat gives her the ability to channel and manipulate some of the factors of the weather directly. We have observed Ororo manipulating hydrogen atoms, electrons, and air directly. As well as alter the state of water into all of it's forms at command(from gas to liquid, liquid to ice and vice versa for example). Other examples include when was shown controlling wind with enough precision to levitate a single pebble to pick a lock, nabbed an unsuspecting Kitty Pryde from within the X-mansion and brought her several miles into the sky with her, so that they could have a private meeting. Or when she tagged the Blackbird in New York while being stationed in Wakanda at the time. She has even created a hyper-ionized patch of air inside of a digital camera to erase it's memory and dropped the internal temperature within a gun -200 degrees.

This control can be applied to the human body as well, such as controlling oxygen levels in the lungs and manipulating pressure within the inner ear. She has threatened to run lightning through a persons insides, freeze hearts, shatter veins and cascade the electrical impulses in the brain in order to cause a violent seizure(which she later demonstrates in detail). Looking at this from a different perspective, this applies as well to her ability to produce effects that have not existed on Earth naturally, such as when she produced a Jovian pressure field with more pressure than is found on Jupiter to contain a small scale nuclear explosion. As long as she has the resources and strength, it can stand to reason that it would apply to many other effects. I would like to get into a bit more detail later with how this applies to her normal manifestations of her powers, such as when she produces storms or blizzards without affecting other areas, and the rules that she follows.

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Rules/Restraint and Repercussions

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Storm may be able to tap into the energy systems to boost her weather control and can create extremely powerful and deadly weather effects, but most of this comes at a price, and she rarely uses her powers in such an extreme fashion. It is good to remember one crucial thing about Storm’s ability to control the weather, Ororo typically manipulates existing regulating patterns. So altering the weather in one area can intercept and cause unintentional results somewhere else; for example, early within Storm’s power manifestation, she used them to end a drought for a tribe by creating rain storms. Ororo at the time was unaware that she had merely redistributed the rain from elsewhere and unwittingly condemned hundreds of animals to death.

An elderly tribal woman named Ainet took Ororo into her care and taught her to be more subtle in the use of her powers; therefore, she had to be sure that she was able to put back what she took or take little without affecting something else, or risk innocent lives in the process. Storm usually manifests her powers with this amount of control in mind, and it’s far more difficult for her to multitask while using her abilities for useful purposes. A great example of this is when she used her powers to create an overwhelming downpour on Pyro’s flame assault. Doing so and being sure not to disrupt any weather patterns, she warped them for miles around the District of Columbia, which taxed her resolve to their limits in order to perform the feat. At her best and without causing repercussions, we’ve seen Storm manifest a category 5 hurricane to halt a fleet of Sentinels, which didn’t leave her with much left to defend herself. When Storm’s personality radically changed to a more edgy and carefree outlook on life, it was shown that she could manifest far more powerful weather effects easily and quickly if she didn’t care for the repercussions that those effects could cause.

In dire situations, she has also used her powers to manifest unnatural weather effects, such as powerful jetstreams to outfly even Rogue (Ms. Marvel’s powers at the time), a wind tunnel to take her half way across the world in mere moments, or an elemental cosmic shield that she used to defend the whole Earth from a deadly sun blast that could have wiped out all life on Earth. With Storm’s ability to tap into the power of the electrical potential energy of the Earth itself, she can also boost her weather manipulating abilities to aid her in achieving her desired effect. She rarely does this on Earth though, perhaps perceiving it as a violation of nature, considering she was very unnerved to see that Sienna Blaze had been doing so to manifest her powers with ill compassion towards the laws of nature, and was disrupting patterns whenever she used her powers. A balance must be kept, and Storm usually does everything in her power to maintain it with her vast and instinctual understanding of the orders of nature.

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Lightning Force/Pressure gradients

Lightning usually only produces a shockwave as force when it strikes, but that is not all that Storm's lightning has been shown capable of doing in the past. Looking at her powers from a general explanation, it was stated that she could manipulate both force and energy. Considering this, it is most likely the reason she has been able to apply force with her lightning, such as was the case when she blew a huge hole from the bottom of the sewers into the city streets, or when she smashed through rock and stone with it's force, created an electrical bomb explosion effect, destroyed the X-jet and other heavy metal objects, as well as have sent many of her opponents flying back with extreme force(enough to KO). They have even been used for defensive purposes as well, such as when she blocked a concussive force blast from Cyclops, detained a leaping Panther into a lightning force cage, or deflected Gambit's kinetically charged cards.

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Storm also has excellent control over pressure. We have seen her instantly alter the state of pressure in a building to make it explode from the inside(she has been shown doing the same to a house). She can produce incredibly powerful barriers and fields to deflect objects and energy forces with her pressure control(Jovian pressure field shown above, as well her pressure dome, which she used to deflect falling debris and punch through a mountain top), and has shown enough precision to buffer out sound in a noisy club by creating a boundary layer over the door of a room, so that Yukio could hear her, as well as support a multistory skyscraper with this ability. Her pressure control seems to be a very underutilized ability, and has not been applied to her powers very often, aside from producing weather effects. It's power however, is unquestionable.

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Willpower/Telepathic Resistance

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Something that was gradually gained through Ororo's time with the X-men, Storm has one of the most powerful wills of them all and is a powerful opponent against telepathy in battle. Going into detail, I would like to make it very clear that Storm's defenses for this archetype was something that grew over time and was not always applied in every encounter. All of our walkthroughs relate to things that have happened on a consistent basis, and for the most part, Storm has three different powers that give her defense to telepathy.

The first being her willpower. This came after several encounters with Emma Frost, who had come to be one of Ororo's deadliest foes before she eventually joined the X-men. Emma defeated her twice(though both were ambushes) with her telepathic powers, but after she switched bodies with Storm, and Ororo fully comprehended the way telepathy worked, she was able to best Emma in combat. Establishing for the first time that Emma would never dominate her mind again or anyone else. Since then, Ororo's will grew even more, all the way to a point where her indomitable will was being compared to the most powerful minds on the planet. Charles Xavier himself and Magneto(whom's will is second to none). Examples include when she withstood the combine power of Professor X, Psylocke, and Oracle in Warkull, who attempted to use their powers to destroy her and the X-men; When she fought Dracula's powerful mental hold over her, due to his shared mystical vampire blood within her; As well as when she resisted Malice's possession while being powerless. Also, considering these examples, it makes since to apply this to her ability to wrest control of the elements from other elemental controllers, such as Hydro-man with his water form, Blitzkriegs' electricity control, Amelia Voght's mist form(her movement), Shaman's blizzard, Hurricane's wind control, Living Lightning and Stardust's electrical forms, the Trion in their own elements and her ability to disperse powerful storms. I believe her strength of will has always been quite high. It could have been that she simply didn't know how to apply it against telepathy until she became a telepath herself after switching bodies with Emma Frost.

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Her second defense to telepathy is the increased electrical activity in her brain, described as static. This is a passive ability that wasn't applied until her run in X-treme X-men, when her best friend Jean tried to have a taste of her ice cream during a telepathic meeting. Jean stated that she was unable to taste the ice cream because there was too much static in her brain, due to the electrical forces that she controls and that it prevented anyone from doing any deeper probes. Considering Storm wasn't trying to resist her friend, it stands to reason that this power is always active. This was also used in Worlds Apart, when The Shadow King was unable to enter her mind due to the electrical forces that she controls. This had given Storm the advantage of preventing him from discovering her plans when she made a deal with the Goddess Bast, for her to hide within Ororo's mind and consume the Shadow King when he tried to enter. It also stands to reason that Storm has somehow been able to control this ability to some degree, considering she was able to trick the Shadow King into entering her mind at the conclusion of their battle. It has also been revealed that her connection to the biosphere can cleanse her mind of very powerful mind control.

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Her third and final defensive ability towards telepathy also involve her electrical abilities. This was also revealed in X-Treme X-men, when Xavier attempted to have a meeting with an angry Ororo in his astral form. Who's emotions were out of control, causing a powerful electrical storm. Xavier notes that Ororo's lightning was causing him pain, and that he was barely able to even maintain communication with her under normal circumstances. This was also an indirect occurrence that only recently had shown to be the case. After a battle with Bogan, who was utilizing Rachel as his slave in an astral form, Storm allowed him to enter her mind before supercharging herself with lightning, destroying him. This is good indication that Storm's electrical abilities have a direct and painful affect on psionic energy and telepaths in general. She has created a lightning field to block Rachel completely as well. This can also be applied to Telekinesis, considering both run off of the same energy systems. Storm has blocked both Candra(whom she beat in a duel), after deflecting her psionic bolts with lightning and blasting her continuously until she tore through her defenses. She has also calmed and blocked Psylocke's telekinesis when she lost control for a short period.

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Amplification/Large Scale Mediums/Beings/Forces

It is often misconstrued that Ororo's power levels are inconsistent when referring to her ability to contain cosmic forces and manipulate forces much more powerful than Earth's. An easy way to understand the reason she is able to do this is by looking at her galactic core feat. Before she was able to channel the core, she first realized that she was being fed power, both physically and mentally. This power influx is what allowed her to reverse the brood queen transformation and destroy it. Considering this fact, it is more of a case where the power is actually allowing for her to pull off the feat and not herself, considering her ability to control these energies are dependent upon the strength of her body and willpower(both being magnified in this case). This was first indicated in the X-men's battle against the Alpha Flight, when Storm was forced to tax her abilities to their fullest in order to quell a powerful blizzard that Shaman had inadvertently caused. Storm stated that she was forced to tap into the electrical potential energy of the Earth itself to aid her in dispersing that powerful storm. This is directly referenced in her galactic core feat, just as she's channeling the stellar energies through her body to end the wretched brood embryo, but in that case it describes that things were magnified. Knowing this, it can be applied to many of her grand scale feats, such as when she wielded the wonders of the Trion dimension and utilize the full effects of it's power. It should also be noted that while this amplification does increase Storm's willpower, it is not the source of her willpower. Powerless, she was still shown to be incredibly willful against mind control and the likes(her battle with Malice's possession is a great example of this).

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Which brings me to her ability to house cosmic essences. Doctor Strange has described that Ororo has an incredibly powerful will, much so that he knew she would be alright when he placed Eternity in her consciousness, exposing her mind to the wonders of the universe itself. However, this wasn't the first time Ororo had been exposed to such awareness. When Ororo bonded with the Acanti's Prophetsinger shortly after summoning the power of the galactic core(which she also gained a large scale awareness), she gained all sorts of the awareness from the universe while she nurtured the space whale until it could fend for itself. Acanti's are said to have knowledge of the universe even before the big bang, and is passed down from each other. They were hunted by the brood for this knowledge and for a vessel for them to survive in. Considering this fact, it stands to reason that Storm had already been exposed to a large part of the universe under another large scale being, long before she housed Eternity. Considering that fact, it was childs play to host Bast in her mind to trick the Shadow King, and have him be consumed by the Panther Goddess.

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Possible Abilities by THUNDERBOLT30 and SonofStorm

Strength - With her ability to manipulate pressure to the most minute degree it's not outside the realm of possibility that Storm could one day possess super strength. We know this because of the crushing pressures of Earth's oceans. It would be simple for her to reverse this. Imagine being hit with a fist that is covered by the pressure of 6 or 7 new "atmospheres". That would EASILY put down some of the toughest faces in Marvel.

Shield-We've seen her use this power before. But what about the remix? Why can't she pull a IW and make it skin tight? You would be hard pressed to find a person capable of pounding through a shield of Jovian pressure. Physical attacks would be all but useless. Energy attacks would be scattered (depending on the power/person behind it).

Binding Forces-We all know that electricity bonds atoms together (Ionic Bonds). Now we know that Storm has almost prefect control over electricity (that she's handling) so why can't she just sever or suppress these bonds? With a thought she'd be able to literally "blink" them out of existence. Something her sister has been doing for ages. Nothing and basically no one would be immune to this. No matter how strong or how durable they are. No character would be able to withstand this attack. Could they come back from it? It's a strong possibility depending on which character. But the average one... Nope.

Telepathy -Now I'm not talking about Emma or Professor X telepathy. But more along the lines of reading and controlling where the electrical surge in the mind takes place and seeing what they are thinking. For example lets say she's fighting some average thug. She "reads" that the electricity in his brain is collecting around the area that triggers violence. She takes that electricity and re-directs it to the "fight or flight" area of the brain and presses the "flight" button. Saving her from the need to fight.

(Achieved) Fry - We know that Storm can see the human nervous system. Add that to her ability to control electrical forces and she should be able to fry that nervous system. Again no person would be immune to it because almost every living thing has one. Now people like Surge, Magneto, Thor, ect... might be resistant/immune to this power. But the average villains wont be. They'd be at her complete mercy. She could choose to paralyze them from the neck or waist down. Or just outright kill them.

-In a recent issue of Wolverines, Storm has finally displayed this ability on one of the X-men biggest villains, Sinister. She scrambled the electrical synapse of his brain and caused him a seizure. She also notes that most people would die from an attack like this and Sinister only survived due to his cell regeneration.

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Absolute control-She can read the nervous system so why can't she control it? We know that she can control the elements inside the human body. So what is the reason she can't do it? Could it be her moral compass? Perhaps she already can but just doesn't?

Super speed -Now this one would be the most difficult IMO. Because depending on the writer this could be an awesome boost. Or something that would just be deadly... If Storm can see other people nervous system and has such fine control over electricity why can she mess with her own? Boost her own synapses and her nervous system. Now here's where the trouble may start. One writer could say that her powers would protect her from the damage of moving at speeds that are not the norm for humans. Another could say that each time she does this she's damaging herself. Whatever the case I don't see Storm outrunning people like Northstar. I'm more in the area of her giving people like Captain America and Spiderman a good run for reflexes and speed.

Neural Jump start -Now this is something that we normally see people like Emma and Jean doing. But what exactly do they do? We saw Emma use her powers and boost Hellion's powers. Now since his powers are controlled by his mind we can take an educated guess and say that Emma just amped his electrical impulses that control his powers (since we have seen her bootstrapping her own brain pattern). So what's stopping Storm from doing this? Again depending on the writer she could do it alone or with help (to know which part to enhance).

Direct Control/Manipulation Nitrogen - Since nitrogen compose a notable portion of the earth's air, she can directly manipulate this elements, igniting them with electricity to create intense and massive explosions but with such fine control to not burn up the planet.

EM Force-fields - Since EM fields are found in storms she can use these fields to create a protective force field.

Universal Awareness - She's already housed the essence of Eternity in her psyche with no problem, and has a bond with the entire planet. This bond enhances of encompass the universe, allowing her to access star energy ( like she did in the galactic core) while on earth, but under such control that the earth's natural balance is maintained.

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Update #2

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Credits(and Thanks) for helping with Update 2:

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Solo Series Feats Update

Decided to make this section for feats in the Storm solo series. Since editing the OP means reposting all those scans I'll just post here. Enjoy :),.

Pak has done an excellent job with the series as well as the developments of Storm's powers. From the very first issue her commune to weather is reestablished in a very descriptive fashion. Her connection to the elements has been described to be so refined that every muscle fiber in her body is affected by the Earth's manifestation as well as her very own. (See Immunity/Commune Section for more Info).

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Her Immunity to lightning/electricity was also established in a fight against Callisto. Even having her own electricity thrown back at her, Storm shrugs it off with no problem.

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Now recently a lot of fans have complained of Storm being the premiere lightning lass in many of the recent books/Events in Marvel. However the series develops more creative use in other application of her powers, most notably wind/air manipulation.

In Issue #5 a brief yet intense battle against Gah Ran of the Breakworld, Storm managed to KTFO this superhuman with a concentrated wind blast, right after her managed to break her ankle and crack her ribs.

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In the first issue Storm managed to save the small nation of Santo Marco by shielding the entire village from a tsunami. This tsunami weighed 1 million tons and stood 100 feet high. Since typical tsunamis can travel at speeds around (atleast) 500 mph this means Storms winds countered 500 million newtons of force, which far exceeds the force of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

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She was also able to simultaneously play with sound in this scene.

Proceeding the events of issue 5, Storm is placed in a strenuous position when she had to carry 50 tons across the United States at 390mph.(In a little under 5 hours) She did this all while battling against the Eaglestar assassins sent out to kill her and the passengers aboard.

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Her activation speed can be duly noted as well with her winds. A revisit to her WAP feat Storm managed to freeze the weapons of two gunmen before they can pull their triggers in issue 7. Later in the same issue Storm redirects bullets fired at her in mid conversation.

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Storm manages to take out multiple tanks and gunmen after shots had been fired.

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Her biggest feat to date in the issue however took place in issue 5. In wake of Wolverine's death Storm activates a global Aurora Borealis, which can be seen in broad daylight from countries such as Mexico and Africa. This lasted 4 hours and did not tire Storm in the least.

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Shaping water into an air filled sphere to breathe underwater and manipulating the ocean medium:

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The deeper you go under the sea, the greater the pressure of the water pushing down on you. For every 33 feet (10.06 meters) you go down, the pressure increases by 14.5 psi (1 atmosphere)

And Harmon's underwater transport was pretty damn big in comparison to Ororo's size and she easily lifted it to the surface of the water with via the the ocean currents.

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Ororo manipulating the planet on a grand scale:

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Manipulating the earth's magnetic fields and ozone layer to let in the extremely hot rays of the sun to vaporize a massive tidal wave
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Thanks to an establish connection with Kenji Uedo, Storm manages to once again use her powers on a global scale. The telepathic connection allowed her to simultaneously warp the geomagnetic fields for different effects at each location. Magma eruption/Flash Freeze/Magnetic Tornado that reached space.
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Pulling such a feat off drained her tremendously, thus giving Kenji the advantage to take over. However Storm once again pulls an ace from her sleeve and pulls everyone to the Astral Plane, by hijacking Kenji's telepathy. There Kenji was shown the complicated past Storm has had with Callisto, Forge and Marisol thus revealing the good nature trapped inside of Kenji. This was a very good willpower showing, considering Kenji's telepathy operates on a global scale.

End of Storm solo feats, for now. But I will be adding a Secret wars section if she 616 Storm does anything interesting.

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The following topics will address the many questions and concerns in her battle threads.

Reaction/Coordination/Speed/flight

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As discussed above, Storm’s empathic connection to the biosphere offers her an enhanced experience with the natural forces that she can control. This includes the ability to perceive and study elements at a level above what a normal human could observe with the naked eye. For example, Ororo actually taught herself how to create lightning by first studying the flow of electrons in weather patterns(see Energy Sight/Perception section above for relevant scans). This connection and perception allows her to experience these type of effects at a heightened speed and it has allowed her to perform feats such as directly perceiving and intercepting lightning bolts before they can reach her.

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They also allow her to generate her powers on a subconscious level, due to the fact that the biosphere in many ways operates like a second conscience for her. We often see this when her emotions fall out of check and creates unintended weather events, but she can actively use this to generate her powers at a hastened pace as well. An example of this is when she was shown generating a self-contained hurricane to put out flames. It was explained that this effect all occurred before she had even made the conscious thought to generate it. Her connection to the biosphere is subconscious and instinctual, and this grants her a somewhat enhanced reaction to many factors.

Storm also has dexterity/motor skills that are well above normal. It’s not clear if this trait originates from her mutants abilities or her matrilineal bloodline, but it allowed her to use a lockpick with her teeth after her neural circuits had been reduced and scrambled to the state of a six month old infant. Ororo stated that she had the coordination of a young girl as an infant, which allowed her to still physically move despite the mental toll that it put on her. This would indicate that Ororo possesses enhanced motor skills far beyond that of a normal human’s. Given that no one else on her team could do this. Including other mutants with enhanced attributes such as Wolverine and Beast.

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These examples all suggest that her physical and mental reflexes/reaction are far more enhanced than a normal person’s. She can also use her energy sight to track the wildfire signal of the neurons in the human body(from brain to muscle to action) in order to anticipate when her opponents will attack [see Energy Sight/Perception for related scans]. This has been described as giving her a crucial edge in any battle.

Bottomline, Storm can perform task that are well above the threshold of a normal human’s reaction. She can generate tornadoes, hurricanes and flash freezes in the literal blink of an eye(and before even enhanced humans like Rogue(Ms Marvel’s powers), Wolverine and the Baroness can react), redirect gunfire at point blank range, generate instant blizzards to intercept Quicksilver’s blitz, generate winds and lightning fast enough to block Cyclops’ force beams(she can also physically dodge them), intercept heat seeking missiles before Spider-man can react, dodged Mjolnir thrown by Thor, or tag the blackbird moving at top speed with her lightning.

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When Emma Frost swapped bodies with her it was revealed that she can warp weather patterns sufficient to generate a powerful Jetstream within a span of a split second. She has shown considerable reaction by being able to react in time to stop X-23 with her winds. Who at the time was able to attack a telepath who was capable of executing her powers at the speed of thought.

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She was quite adept at using her powers quickly against Nightcrawler(a teleporter who has enhanced reaction and reflexes). Blocking arrows with her winds before he could react and managed to produce a lightning bolt(and a gentle wind to guide him down) when he tried to surprise her with a sneak attack in the danger room.

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Hand 2 Hand

She’s also fought in hand to hand combat with opponents that have enhanced reflexes/attributes(Calisto, Marrow, Khan, Crimson Commando, Black Panther and even skilled Vampires). Her reflexes have also been honed by the hundreds of battles that she's been in.

Callisto

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Marrow

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Crimson Commando(note she did not have her powers here)

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Khan

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Nighteyes(a vampire)

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(See Thunderboth30’s Seasoned Combat Veteran thread for more physical combat feats and info.)

Flightspeed/Blitzing

Ororo can use her powers to fly at incredible speeds. She can also use this for combat purposes by “blitzing” her opponents. The handbooks typically list her speed at around 300 mph, but there have been numerous instances that have proven this to be inaccurate. She’s flown at speeds that only jets can match, faster than the speed of sound(breaking the sound barrier) to escape a reverse cave in, fast enough to keep up with Cannonball at top speed(who is above the speed of sound) with her personalized jetstreams(she also did the same to outpace Rogue who possessed Ms Marvel/Captain Marvel’s powers at the time), and carried a commercial plane with her winds. Flying it for several hours at near 400 mph(and all the while being physically exhausted). She’s even propelled Colossus with her winds fast enough to reach near supersonic speeds.

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Proceeding the events of issue 5 of her solo series, Storm is placed in a strenuous position when she had to carry 50 tons across the United States at 390mph.(In a little under 5 hours) She did this all while battling against the Eaglestar assassins sent out to kill her and the passengers aboard.

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It should also be noted that Storm can also boost her speeds to an even greater level by riding on the spear of lightning bolts, which have greatly improve her travel speeds. This skill isn’t used often, but has been displayed on numerous occasions throughout her history.

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Godhead/Hadari Yao/Magic Potential

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Ororo’s matrilineal bloodline offers her the potential to wield magic and of true divinity. These “gifts” are said to be granted to the women of her line by the gods who have blessed them since the dawn of humanity. This power is passed down from mother to daughter and there have been several known ancestors who have used this powerful magic to perform an assortment of feats. Ororo herself has now recently started to “claim” some of these gifts for herself. The gift of godhead that she embraced during her fight with The Adversary allowed her to channel the power of faith from the Wakandan people. Revealing her to be one of their prophesied gods(The Hadari Yao/Walker of Clouds).

This allowed Storm to generate an enormous amount of divine energy that was powerful enough to devastate and send the demon god Adversary back to his prison world. In another instance, she was able to channel this same faith energy to close his storm portal gates that were said to be beyond the scope of her mutant abilities to manipulate. One other, and more ambiguous instance, is when she may have used her divine power on the Grootboom tree in order for Shuri to astral project into deep space.

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UPDATE: Storm appears to gain a higher state of consciousness when her godhead is activated, as was revealed in a later appearance from Shuri's solo series when the mystical Vibe Coral fungus brought it forth.

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Other abilities that she’s showcased as a result of her bloodline magic is the ability to detect the presence of dark magic. She was able to sense pure corruption to the weather with her sense of smell. Stating that it smelled like rotting flesh. Another power is her ability to become a “lightning rod” that can absorb massive quantities of magic. Which were used to open a portal back to the Earth’s dimension. This was something that not even Magik(Illyana) was capable of achieving without causing great risk to her life.

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She was able to break the crimson bands of cytorrak with her lightning on one separate occasion, although it’s not clear how powerful Doctor Strange was at the time this spell was used on her. It’s also not clear if this was achieved as a result of her bloodline magic or mutant abilities.

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(For more info about Storm’s bloodline and magic, see White Mage’s Bloodline thread.)

X-Books Acknowledgement of Godhead

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Storm's ascension into godhood was finally referenced in the X-men books after months of being blatantly ignored(along with attempts to retcon). Storm received a big moment in Uncanny X-men #10 where she unleashed a powerful attack on Nate Grey(X-man), who at the time was fused with Legion. This was powerful enough to devastate him so that the 7 telepaths present(with their combined power) could finally break through to his mind and unfuse them.

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The battle involved some of mutant's biggest powerhouses, such as Apocalypse, Magneto, Iceman, Jean, Meggan, Dazzler and Polaris, and indicated Storm was the only one powerful enough to affect him on this level.

She was also turned into a horsemen by X-man/Legion prior to this, and it was indicated that the fight could not be won unless Storm was brought back to their side.

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She also easily defeated a horsemen Magneto. Who later needed to be revived by X-man's power.

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Writers confirmed her status on twitter, where it was verified that they were acknowledging her new developments from the Black Panther books.

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(Credits to @butterflykyss for discovering and reporting this)

Mediums/Atmospheres/Biospheres - Update

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Mediums are the various forms of atmospheres that Storm can establish a mental/empathic bond with. They are typically isolated ecosystems that relate to the natural energy systems and forces that makeup that particular space. Storm’s mutation allows her to adapt and connect to any naturally occurring medium(typically within a few minutes) and those naturally occurring energy systems and forces(kinetic, thermal, electromagnetic. solar, etc.) that are associated with them. For example, Ororo can actually perceive an ocean as a “liquid atmosphere” and naturally adapt to sensing and manipulating the medium in various ways: She’s manipulated ocean currents and sensed objects that move through this space much like she can in an “air atmosphere”.

Manipulating/Sensing Ocean Mediums

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These mediums present Storm with a greater(or lower) power level depending on the situation. Mediums(atmosphere/ecosystems) come in all shapes and sizes, so naturally this depends on the resources that are readily available from that space for her to use. At her most powerful she was capable of perceiving an entire galactic core of millions of stars and planets as a medium. Doing so allowed her to tap its full power and channel all of the interstellar energy through her body. She was able to do the same when she encountered god-like beings(The Trion) in a bizarre dimension/reality which allowed her to tap into their power, given that the energy that determined this dimension was elemental. The connection also allowed her to understand the damage and corruption to this space(much like she can with weather patterns), and allowed her to heal a rift in space time caused by the Juggernaut(who was powered up by these forces as well at the time).

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Galactic Core Medium
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Trion Dimension Medium

She can channel the surrounding ambient energies of deep space into powerful lightning bolts; After discovering it to be a medium composed of powerful energy patterns that she could control(See scans above under the "Radiant/Solar Energy" section). She has even manipulated space weather, such as the solar winds and hydrogen gas(and pressure). Mediums that Storm can manipulate relate to all of the above examples. Her powers adapt according to her medium/atmosphere, seemingly no matter how large or foreign. She has also adapted to aliens planets, allowing her to perceive the potential of the weather in these atmospheres and adapt to interpret and wield their compositions and energy systems. On one planet for example, she could sense a skeleton belt above the cloud layer which would allow her to cast down calcium arrows, as well as glassine fragments that would allow her to focus sunlight from the sun and fling down ruby lasers from the sky at her foes.

The Earth’s biosphere is the primary medium that Storm is typically associated with. The biosphere encompass all the ecosystems/atmospheres/mediums of the planet as a whole. Her connection to the biosphere allows her to sense all the various differences in shape and composition of these mediums around the Earth. So much so that she can determine her location if she’s lost with sky topogaphy. Storm typically distances herself from the biosphere to focus on isolated areas/mediums for more refined and critical tasks(the liquid atmosphere of the ocean is a prime example). She can also reach into other mediums if her current medium doesn’t have the resources/elements that she needs for a particular task as well, such as when she parted the ozone layer and the geomagnetic fields of the Earth to rain in solar radiation from space to vaporize a massive tsunami wave; enshrouded the earth in solar winds to produce a global aurora(in tribute to Wolverine); and generated upper atmospheric lightning to take out Sentinels in space while her person was on Earth.

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It should also be noted that nature typically exist everywhere. So naturally, Storm should always have some form of a medium/power in any space, reality or dimension. One such test was given to her when Nina exposed the X-men to a bizarre warped space that created a tidal wave of multiple skewed realities. Storm was able to discern that nature would exist in any reality, and she would still have power in this space, which leads to her effectively producing a wind to guide her to Colossus.

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Omega Level Status Update/House of X

Which comes as no surprise to anyone, Storm was finally confirmed to be an omega level mutant in House of X #1. Effectively confirming her powers have unlimited potential!

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Jonathan Hickman also delved into her hydrokinetic potential when he had her manipulate a pool of water to broadcast a detailed animated construct of Jean and Monet.

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Elemental Form/Immortality Potential

People tend to assume her mutation doesn't allow the potential to transcend her body and become immortal. There's been numerous instances that have hinted and even confirmed this to be part of her mutant potential. The obvious one is from X-men #98, where Apocalypse let a timeline from the 616 play out before reversing it, and revealed what was described as the "ultimate extent of her mutant powers".

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People for years argued that this didn't count, when in fact it does. An alternate future doesn't really change what a mutation can potentially do. The only thing that can change is that potential not being fully realized because of different circumstances that could trigger the power. But again, this doesn't really remove the potential from the mutation itself. Therefore, it should count.

And of course, the handbooks confirmed this to be the case as well:

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Not only that, but we have a recent instance from Black Vortex that revealed a similar potential.

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But I would say the earliest instance occurred during her Rogue Storm arc. She didn't fully evolve, but there were hints that this change was occurring

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So it really is something that's been apart of potential for a long time now. There are more examples, such as when she talked about experiencing transcending her being in X-treme or her elemental form that was unlocked when the Great Beasts "turned her into a god" in Amazing X-men(World War Wendigo arc).

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Control *New* By ShepardOakenPrime

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Multiple times have people used Ororo's powers and quickly learned they don't have the experience/ understanding needed to use them effectively. Some have even ended up losing control of the weather effects they summoned. The most notable instances were when Rogue first used Storm's powers; She ended up creating a wild storm due to her wild emotions; The second was when Emma swapped bodies with Ororo's and ended up being swept away by her own winds and later striking down Shaw when she tried to attack the X-Men with a storm she quickly lost control over. A more recent showing is when a sorceress stated she needed considerable concentration to simply generate bioelectric bolts from her hands when she possessed Storm, and of course once she was free she showed them what a weather witch can really do by dispersing them with a tornado without it affecting Magik standing right under it. Even against opponents like Meruda and Shaman, who were capable of creating weather effects, were schooled by Ororo's superior understanding of the elements, the latter she had to fix what he created. This understanding was even tested against the Trion, the 3 elemental forces of their own dimension as old as the dimension itself. Their world was completely new and unnatural to Storm to the point she wasn't sure how her powers were going to manifest, yet she was able to counter their power on pure instinct.

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(See the full instance against the Trion under "Mediums/Atmospheres/Biospheres" Update #2)

Her level of control has been shaped after years of manipulating the delicate natural weather systems. Early on she stated simply creating a jetstream was going to cause atmospheric chaos over a city. The fact that she can comparatively summon full hurricanes (which hold energy the equivalent of 200 times the total electrical generating capacity on the planet), storms and blizzards and disperse their energy without severely hurting the natural balance alone should explain why she is considered the top weather manipulator (House of X #1) though it does take a lot of work. That and the fact that she’s bested the few powerful enough to try and compare themselves against her have failed. Tying her control into her precision, it’s really no surprise why this has allowed her to do things such as creating a hurricane above a city without damaging anything but a Sentinel and create a mini hurricane inside her garden without her plants being disturbed.

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(See “Precision/Accuracy” & “Lightning Force/Pressure gradients” for more related scans of pure control)

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Update 3

Credit to Mooty Pass

Magical Items/Weapons/Artifacts

Storm has acquired a number of interesting items over the course of her life.

Stormcaster

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An enchanted hammer made from uru and forged by Loki to restore Storm's lost mutants powers and to make her into a god to replace the Avenger Thor. This greatly enhanced her physical stats. Allowing her to withstand crushing blows from god tier characters, shoot divine energy attacks, breathe in space unaided and open portals across space time and dimensions.

The hammer had a mind control enchantment in place which forced Storm to be a mind slave to Loki. However, through her indomitable strength of will after being forced to kill Logan she overcame the mind control and relinquished the hammer and effectively the power that came with it.

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Many years later, the hammer found its way back to Storm thanks to Thor and she was once again tempted by the divine power and the mind control, ensuing a battle with Thor which eventually ended with Storm coming to her senses and destroying Stormcaster using Thor's hammer Mjolnir.

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Some time later, Stormcaster is seen to have survived and re-spawned in Asgard. Storm subconsciously summoned the hammer in a bid to free herself from prison while her mutant powers were inhibited by a mutant collar. Another interesting note was the mind control enchantment had been broken now, and was free to act as she pleased without resistance.

Once freed, she encounters a malevolent threat who has god level power(and is able to survive being sucked into a black hole), and with the aid of Stormcaster Storm and the X-men are able to subdue him.

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The hammer was then used later for various other purposes.

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She later used the hammer for a final time to combat the usurper god Uovu. At which point she was able to open a portal for the X-men to aid her, and eventually used up all the remaining energy in Stormcaster to wipe him out. Leaving the hammer to crumble into pieces.

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Not long after Storm discovers that she herself is a god in her own right and is able to face an equally challenging foe using the godhead passed down from her bloodline[See Godhead/Hadari Yao/Magic Potential section for related scans].

More artifacts to come!

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#4 Posted by Roddy010 (6316 posts) - - Show Bio

Another reserve for Update 4.

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And one more for Update 5.

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We do love a clean layout.

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Sorry for the short notice folks! We screwed up and didn't have time to warn you we were restarting the thread before we did! I made the new thread on short notice, so there isn't any new information just yet, but I will be putting in all the necessary updates throughout the day!

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#8 Edited by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

why was the other one closed

nvm.

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Here's to a more streamlined Thread.

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Ok, this is MUCH better. I will definitely Help.

I want to do Asgardian Storm.

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#11 Posted by Storm Calling (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, this is MUCH better. I will definitely Help.

I want to do Asgardian Storm.

Very well! We can do a little section for Hammer time. Relay me the information and I'll add it to update 3
Very well! We can do a little section for Hammer time. Relay me the information and I'll add it to update 3

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@roddy010 some of the scans from the goddess portion are not showing

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@butterflykyss: @storm_calling:

Hey!!! Don’t Disrespect Hammer Time!! It’s a GOOD CONCEPT and powerful.

Anyway, Stormcalling I will PM you the information and the scans. Later tonight

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#15 Posted by Storm Calling (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010 some of the scans from the goddess portion are not showing

Thanks. I need to update the section anyway since there was a godhead appearance in Shuri when it was awakened by the Fungus.

@butterflykyss: @storm_calling:

Hey!!! Don’t Disrespect Hammer Time!! It’s a GOOD CONCEPT and powerful.

Anyway, Stormcalling I will PM you the information and the scans. Later tonight

I've always liked the concept of Stormcaster. I just wish Guggenhiem handled its developments better is all. I think it'll be a good addition to the thread now that we have things more organized.

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oh wow .. we're getting a section on Stormcrapster. I'm thrilled.

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oh wow .. we're getting a section on Stormcrapster. I'm thrilled.

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well thats unfortunate
well thats unfortunate

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@butterflykyss: "I wonder what they did or how they determine who was omega. we know what the definition is but how were they tested to confirm this?"

To answer your question from the old thread, the whole thing doesn't make sense because of the inclusion of people like Jean, Iceman, Magneto, Exodus, and Kid Omega on the list. I think what Marvel did was simply decide who they wanted to be on the omega mutant list regardless of the fact that their choices flies in the face of decades of preexisting canon.

With this being the criteria: "Omega Level Mutant: A mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register -- or reach -- an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification.

For Example: Both Magneto and Forge are the most powerful mutants of their power types on the planet Earth [Magnetism and Technopathy, respectively], but what makes Magneto, and not Forge, an Omega level mutant is that the upper limit of Forge's measurable powers could hypothetically be surpassed [and, in fact, has by multiple humans on the planet], while the upper limit of Magneto's power cannot be surpassed by any measurable fashion.

Note: Omega level is a classification of a single mutant power. While it is quite common that mutants manifest multiple powers, only one is normally of Omega level.

For Example: While Jean Grey is both a telepath and a telekinetic, she is only an Omega level telepath," then those that I named don't make sense to be on the list. If Jean, Magneto, Exodus, etc can be on the list, so should Forge and a bunch of others. These characters have very definable upper limits as have been the case for decades.

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#20 Posted by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

@storm_calling: you're welcome boo. I completely forgot about the fungus activating her godhead abilities. thanks for updating this for the community.

@malachi_munroe: omg I'm screaming lolol. I could go without that thing ever being mentioned.

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Stormcaster really needs to go. It devalues Ororo. It worked for her when it was originally created because she was powerless at the time; however, now that her powers have been restored, it only serves to downplay her natural power levels in order to prop up this abomination.

Anywho, I think streamlining the Storm feats in this thread is a good idea. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about a Storm solo title in the future.

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#23 Posted by Son Of Storm (11639 posts) - - Show Bio

While Guggenshyt may have totally killed any credibility the hammer had I do see it being used in the battle board from time to time so only for that reason do I give the post my blessing. If nothing else it compiles its feats in a tidy way.

Stormcaster really needs to go. It devalues Ororo. It worked for her when it was originally created because she was powerless at the time; however, now that her powers have been restored, it only serves to downplay her natural power levels in order to prop up this abomination.

Anywho, I think streamlining the Storm feats in this thread is a good idea. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about a Storm solo title in the future.

Last I heard Jordan White said that there were no plans for it in the foreseeable future but it's not something he'd immediately shut down.

I'm paraphrasing mind you but that's the gist of it.

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#24 Posted by Storm Calling (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

Stormcaster really needs to go. It devalues Ororo. It worked for her when it was originally created because she was powerless at the time; however, now that her powers have been restored, it only serves to downplay her natural power levels in order to prop up this abomination.

Anywho, I think streamlining the Storm feats in this thread is a good idea. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about a Storm solo title in the future.

I agree 100%. None of what Guggenheim revealed about Stormcaster is out of the realm of Storm's own mutant powers, godhead and magic potential. I'd prefer not to use it but Mooty Pass feels very strongly about it and I don't think we should put down his opinion if he wants to do a small section talking about it.

We'll just consider this a powerup that she had before she unlocked her godhead in BP, since it's reasonable to conclude Gold took place before she fought the Adversary, as it claimed she was not a god of her own at the time. That way it can be kept in the past.

Yeah, Son of Storm came up with the idea, and I think it'll really help in the long run with being more accessible. We also have much more room now to add the necessary updates.

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#25 Posted by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss: "I wonder what they did or how they determine who was omega. we know what the definition is but how were they tested to confirm this?"

To answer your question from the old thread, the whole thing doesn't make sense because of the inclusion of people like Jean, Iceman, Magneto, Exodus, and Kid Omega on the list. I think what Marvel did was simply decide who they wanted to be on the omega mutant list regardless of the fact that their choices flies in the face of decades of preexisting canon.

With this being the criteria: "Omega Level Mutant: A mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register -- or reach -- an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification.

For Example: Both Magneto and Forge are the most powerful mutants of their power types on the planet Earth [Magnetism and Technopathy, respectively], but what makes Magneto, and not Forge, an Omega level mutant is that the upper limit of Forge's measurable powers could hypothetically be surpassed [and, in fact, has by multiple humans on the planet], while the upper limit of Magneto's power cannot be surpassed by any measurable fashion.

Note: Omega level is a classification of a single mutant power. While it is quite common that mutants manifest multiple powers, only one is normally of Omega level.

For Example: While Jean Grey is both a telepath and a telekinetic, she is only an Omega level telepath," then those that I named don't make sense to be on the list. If Jean, Magneto, Exodus, etc can be on the list, so should Forge and a bunch of others. These characters have very definable upper limits as have been the case for decades.

I meant more within the actual comics. how did the krakoans determine these were omega mutants? was there some type of test they had to perform?

to the other things you mentioned I'm not sure. I bet others would argue storm shouldnt be there but the only thing I really care about is that storm is finally confirmed a goddess and omega. there is no limit to what she can do.

oh maiah lol

Stormcaster really needs to go. It devalues Ororo. It worked for her when it was originally created because she was powerless at the time; however, now that her powers have been restored, it only serves to downplay her natural power levels in order to prop up this abomination.

Anywho, I think streamlining the Storm feats in this thread is a good idea. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about a Storm solo title in the future.

I 100%. maybe there can be a section called weapons/accessories. here you can list her ruby, that hammer, her lock picks, etc.

to the solo white said if the writer and artist (Coates/bartel) have time uts not something he would be opposed to but there are no immediate plans for it. he said it would be something worth looking into.

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Stormcaster really needs to go. It devalues Ororo. It worked for her when it was originally created because she was powerless at the time; however, now that her powers have been restored, it only serves to downplay her natural power levels in order to prop up this abomination.

Anywho, I think streamlining the Storm feats in this thread is a good idea. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about a Storm solo title in the future.

I agree 100%. None of what Guggenheim revealed about Stormcaster is out of the realm of Storm's own mutant powers, godhead and magic potential. I'd prefer not to use it but Mooty Pass feels very strongly about it and I don't think we should put down his opinion if he wants to do a small section talking about it.

We'll just consider this a powerup that she had before she unlocked her godhead in BP, since it's reasonable to conclude Gold took place before she fought the Adversary, as it claimed she was not a god of her own at the time. That way it can be kept in the past.

Yeah, Son of Storm came up with the idea, and I think it'll really help in the long run with being more accessible. We also have much more room now to add the necessary updates.

though I hate the hammer too I agree I was just mentioning to storm cell maybe there can be a section developed to all weapons and accessories she has used throughout her mythos. hammer/ruby/lock picks/hunting knife, etc.

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Regardless of how you guys feel about Stormcaster it's still a major part of Storm's character development so SUCK IT!! LOL.

@storm_calling it's not letting me PM you the scans. So, i'll leave it alone. But it definitely deserves to be mention in here.

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#29 Posted by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

@mooty_pass: well her lock picks have greater meaning to her development than the hammer. you know I'm right!

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#30 Posted by Mooty_Pass (10704 posts) - - Show Bio

@mooty_pass: well her lock picks have greater meaning to her development than the hammer. you know I'm right!

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Regardless of how you guys feel about Stormcaster it's still a major part of Storm's character development so SUCK IT!! LOL.

@storm_calling it's not letting me PM you the scans. So, i'll leave it alone. But it definitely deserves to be mention in here.

I really don't want to go through Gold again to find the necessary scans. Lol

Could you try to send them again?

though I hate the hammer too I agree I was just mentioning to storm cell maybe there can be a section developed to all weapons and accessories she has used throughout her mythos. hammer/ruby/lock picks/hunting knife, etc.

That's an interesting idea. Can anyone think of more magical items that she used?

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Regardless of how you guys feel about Stormcaster it's still a major part of Storm's character development so SUCK IT!! LOL.

@storm_callingit's not letting me PM you the scans. So, i'll leave it alone. But it definitely deserves to be mention in here.

Thats God trynna tell you something

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#34 Posted by Mooty_Pass (10704 posts) - - Show Bio

@storm_calling: @malachi_munroe:

-Stormcalling: I don’t feel like doing that. I really just spent half hour trying to send you the information. I’ll do it another time.

-Malachi_munroe: hush yo mouth boy!!!! Your the Devil.

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#35 Posted by Storm Calling (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

@storm_calling: @malachi_munroe:

-Stormcalling: I don’t feel like doing that. I really just spent half hour trying to send you the information. I’ll do it another time.

-Malachi_munroe: hush yo mouth boy!!!! Your the Devil.

I can actually see them all uploaded on your profile page. So I should be able to access them that way.

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#36 Posted by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

@mooty_pass said:

Regardless of how you guys feel about Stormcaster it's still a major part of Storm's character development so SUCK IT!! LOL.

@storm_calling it's not letting me PM you the scans. So, i'll leave it alone. But it definitely deserves to be mention in here.

I really don't want to go through Gold again to find the necessary scans. Lol

Could you try to send them again?

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though I hate the hammer too I agree I was just mentioning to storm cell maybe there can be a section developed to all weapons and accessories she has used throughout her mythos. hammer/ruby/lock picks/hunting knife, etc.

That's an interesting idea. Can anyone think of more magical items that she used?

outside of the ruby and hammertime I cant think of anything.

@mooty_pass said:

Regardless of how you guys feel about Stormcaster it's still a major part of Storm's character development so SUCK IT!! LOL.

@storm_callingit's not letting me PM you the scans. So, i'll leave it alone. But it definitely deserves to be mention in here.

Thats God trynna tell you something

ha!!!! you are a mess!!! lololol.

but I agree let go and LET GOD.

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#37 Edited by ProfessorRespect (8889 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys have a lot of full page scans.

I'd advise trying to get rid of as many as possible, some mods have been massively enforcing the full page rule and they will ban and nuke your account if you have them on you and you don't remove them.

I'm only saying this cuz I'd hate to see all this hard effort go to waste, lol

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@storm_calling: @roddy2010: @professorrespect: this is true it happened to me.

try cropping the images to only discuss content specific to discussion. full page scans are no longer allowed on CV.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that. It's going to take me awhile to redo all the scans though(there are literally hundreds), and most were all pasted from the old thread, so they aren't new uploads. But if anyone is up for helping with the cropping it would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: I just found the official thread talking about the scans. Full page scans can still be posted, but only up to three pages per issue. So most of the scans provided in the OP are limited to three or less per issue. This will make the work load a whole lot easier for me, since there's only a few examples here that exceed this limit. That and I need to remove them from the gallery as well.

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Also, I added the hammer time section.... Never let it be said I don't consider the opinion of others.

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#40 Edited by butterflykyss (6446 posts) - - Show Bio

@storm_calling: if you need any help with anything let me know. I've been looking for write ups about the magucal gems. apparently she has had in her possession two magical gems: one from her mother that allows her to teleport to different dimensions and then end given to her by m'rinn where she can go that dimension when needed.

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@butterflykyss said:

@storm_calling: if you need any help with anything let me know. I've been looking for write ups about the magucal gems. apparently she has had in her possession two magical gems: one from her mother that allows her to teleport to different dimensions and then end given to her by m'rinn where she can go that dimension when needed.

Thanks!

And yeah, the rubies are a bit convoluted since there have been a few retcons for them throughout the years. I remember a discussion about this years ago and I think there are probably three total. One from her mother like you pointed out, another she stole from a museum(which turned out to be Candra's heart from X-men Vol. 2 #60). This gem could generate massive energy explosions, and then of course the cameo crystal she obtained from M'rin to travel back and forth to her dimension(Classic X-men #22).

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#42 Posted by Mooty_Pass (10704 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought I should let you know.

There’s a scan that describes Storm reaction as lightning fast.....well it’s implied at least.

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I wasn't even asked to help... *cries*

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Nice!! There are some scans if its not too much trouble adding like for thermal of her freezing objects from the inside (robot from BP & the crew and freezing a lock) unless I missed those or if they're deemed not that relevant with already hundreds of scans lol.

To touch on the rules and repercussions, I feel like an addition could be added of control. Multiple times have people used her powers and quickly learned they don't have the experience needed to use them effectively, some have even ended up losing control of the weather effects they summoned. Even against opponents like Meruda and Shaman who where capable of creating weather effects where schooled by Ororo's superior understanding of the elements. Her level of control has been shaped after years manipulating the delicate natural weather systems, early on she stated even simply creating a jetstream was going to cause atmospheric chaos over a city. The fact that she can comparatively summon full hurricanes, storms and blizzards and disperse their energy without severely hurting the natural balance shows just how much control she must exert, not to mention how much she holds back.

Something like that maybe with the scan of Storm dispersing the hurricane in age of x since it reiterates how delicate the ecosystems are and how the planet relies on the balance of nature. I have scans of all instances stated if this is considered.

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@mooty_pass said:

I thought I should let you know.

There’s a scan that describes Storm reaction as lightning fast.....well it’s implied at least.

The one from X-men Unlimited #7? I think it was more of a hyperbolic statement, but it is one of the only times it referenced that her reflexes were honed by hundreds of battles. So it's still useful.

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I wasn't even asked to help... *cries*

Generally the help is offered, not asked, since we'd prefer not begging people for information. But if you have something you'd like to offer, please feel free to give suggestions. You will be credited for your help.

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Nice!! There are some scans if its not too much trouble adding like for thermal of her freezing objects from the inside (robot from BP & the crew and freezing a lock) unless I missed those or if they're deemed not that relevant with already hundreds of scans lol.

To touch on the rules and repercussions, I feel like an addition could be added of control. Multiple times have people used her powers and quickly learned they don't have the experience needed to use them effectively, some have even ended up losing control of the weather effects they summoned. Even against opponents like Meruda and Shaman who where capable of creating weather effects where schooled by Ororo's superior understanding of the elements. Her level of control has been shaped after years manipulating the delicate natural weather systems, early on she stated even simply creating a jetstream was going to cause atmospheric chaos over a city. The fact that she can comparatively summon full hurricanes, storms and blizzards and disperse their energy without severely hurting the natural balance shows just how much control she must exert, not to mention how much she holds back.

Something like that maybe with the scan of Storm dispersing the hurricane in age of x since it reiterates how delicate the ecosystems are and how the planet relies on the balance of nature. I have scans of all instances stated if this is considered.

Wonderful! I love all of these ideas, and definitely feel like all would be worthy additions.

I think her level of mastery and understanding over the elements gets overlooked quite alot. There have been numerous characters that have had trouble using her powers or controlling the weather properly like you pointed out: Rogue, Emma, Ragnarok, Meruda, Crystal and Shaman are all great examples of this. I think even her lecture to the Trion shows just how deep her understanding of this goes.

The instance from Age of X-man was probably the only example where she actually showed that she could contain a full on naturally occurring hurricane without repercussions. So it was quite an impressive feat since she typically avoids manipulating natural storms this powerful due to how much they affect the world in ways most don't realize.

If you want to do the write up for this Control section, you're more than welcome. I trust you can cover all the necessary bases.

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#49 Posted by Storm Calling (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasya_carey: You did a wonderful job in showing the power levels between Adversary, Roma, and Hadari Yao Ororo. Scroll down to Post #16 everybody, and see what he posted: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/storm-vs-immortal-hulk-2044478/

This information should probably be included in this thread.

I'll go over them when I have some more time. I'm still trying to work out a bug that keeps causing the thumbnails to vanish every time I remove them from the gallery.

It looks like Kasya Carey did some pretty thorough research for this. So I'll be happy to add them once I go over everything and get his/her approval to use.

@storm_calling:

You should put it in

Ironically I thought I did have it there since I talked about it in her h2h combat section. I'll put it in once I've worked out this issue with the thumbnails. Thanks.

What did you think of the Stormcaster section? Was there more you wanted to add?

@storm_calling: Cool I'll get on it.

Excellent!

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@kasya_carey: You did a wonderful job in showing the power levels between Adversary, Roma, and Hadari Yao Ororo. Scroll down to Post #16 everybody, and see what he posted: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/storm-vs-immortal-hulk-2044478/

This information should probably be included in this thread.

I'll go over them when I have some more time. I'm still trying to work out a bug that keeps causing the thumbnails to vanish every time I remove them from the gallery.

It looks like Kasya Carey did some pretty thorough research for this. So I'll be happy to add them once I go over everything and get his/her approval to use.

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@storm_calling:

You should put it in

Ironically I thought I did have it there since I talked about it in her h2h combat section. I'll put it in once I've worked out this issue with the thumbnails. Thanks.

What did you think of the Stormcaster section? Was there more you wanted to add?

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@storm_calling: Cool I'll get on it.

Excellent!

yes add it in lmao happy to help

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