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    Who Can Defeat Darth Krayt?

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    List who you think are the weakest characters who are needed to defeat Krayt a majority of times out of 10. I.e Someone who can defeat him by the skin of their teeth, who is just a little bit better, is the minimum.

    Here are the versions of Krayt we will be assessing:

    A’Sharad Hett (around the time he fought Obi-Wan)

    Sith Apprentice Hett is after apprenticing himself to XoXaan for four decades on Korriban.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt is the birth of Darth Krayt as a Sith Lord, after going through the Embrace of Pain and returning to Korriban.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt is during the events of Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse (44ABY). A'Sharad is 17BBY, Sith Apprentice is 25ABY. So there are 19 years between the time A'Sharad is captured by the Vong and when he fights Abeloth.

    Legacy Darth Krayt is 130-138 ABY, 86-94 years after Apocalypse.

    Reborn Darth Krayt is 139ABY roughly, Krayt at his peak.

    A rough scale would probably look like:

    A'Sharad Hett << Sith Apprentice <<< Post-Vong Krayt << Apocalypse Krayt > Legacy Krayt <<< Reborn Krayt

    So, what are the minimum requirements needed to beat each version and why?

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    A’Sharad Hett: Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, Sora Bulq, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, etc.

    Sith Apprentice Hett: Too ambiguous, I'll pass.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt: Count Dooku barely, maybe; prime Vader, most probably.

    Apocalypse Krayt: chronologically, Valkorion, Yoda, Darth Plagueis, Palpatine, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Shimrra

    Legacy Krayt: downgrade to sub-NJO Krayt, honestly. Kenobi/Maul could handle him with insane difficulty; Revan with smaller problems.

    Reborn Krayt: back to Apocalypse Krayt, but Valkorion loses (he's more powerful, but lacking lightsaber and combat skills he's outmatched even though he packs more Force power by a great amount; Krayt can withstand that, and has far better and more effective tools to take him out, i.e. lightsaber+super speed), Shimrra probably loses, and Mace and Anakin are debatable.

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    I'll share my preliminary list.

    A’Sharad Hett - Savage Opress. Somewhere inside the gap between Ventress and Kenobi.

    Sith Apprentice Hett - Dooku roughly.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt - Galen/Starkiller.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt - FotJ Luke, maybe.

    Legacy Darth Krayt - Rebellion era through DE Sidious.

    Reborn Darth Krayt - Nobody short of gods.

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    A’Sharad Hett : Any Jedi master on the council

    Sith Apprentice Hett Obi wan

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt Vader

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt Malak

    Legacy Darth Krayt Lesser exile

    Reborn Darth Krayt Kotor Revan

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    #6  Edited By Azronger

    A’Sharad Hett:He's probably Maul-level in sabers, no clue about the Force

    Sith Apprentice Hett: No clue.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt: The same as above.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt: FotJ Luke, RotJ Sidious, RotJ Vader maybe, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

    Legacy Darth Krayt: No clue.

    Reborn Darth Krayt: DE Sidious certainly, maybe FotJ Luke, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

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    Plagueis for Reborn Krayt.

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    A'sharad Hett: Ventress, maybe.

    Apprentice Hett: No idea.

    Post Vong-Krayt: Same as above

    Apocalypse Krayt: Luke and Sheev

    Legacy Krayt: Not sure. Somehow diseased Krayt is more powerful than Taalon, Vol etc.

    Reborn Krayt: Sheev and Luke

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    @vitisid:

    Legacy Krayt: Not sure. Somehow diseased Krayt is more powerful than Taalon, Vol etc.

    I know, the Muur hype.

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    apocalypse: Vader, ROTS Sids

    Legacy: ROTJ Vader tough

    Reborn: DE Sidious, GM Luke, Taalon with pool amp, and the ones

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    A'Sharad: Anyone comparable enough to Obi.
    Sith Apprentice: Really hard to quantify.
    Apocalypse: Someone who is Caedus+.
    Legacy: If this means Vong Krayt, then someone like Dooku or Vader honestly.
    Reborn: Luke, Sidious, arguably Yoda and Plagueis.

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    A'Sharad: Anyone comparable enough to Obi.

    Sith Apprentice: Really hard to quantify.

    Apocalypse: Someone who is Caedus+.

    Legacy: If this means Vong Krayt, then someone like Dooku or Vader honestly.

    Reborn: Luke, Sidious, arguably Yoda and Plagueis.

    Dude, Caedus would get destroyed by Apoc Krayt. Luke would not be able to freeze every muscle in Krayt's body effortlessly like he did to Caedus, not even close. I'm waiting for you to back up this idea that Caedus deserves to be mentioned alongside the dark man from his nightmares.

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    @vitisid:

    A'Sharad: Anyone comparable enough to Obi.

    Sith Apprentice: Really hard to quantify.

    Apocalypse: Someone who is Caedus+.

    Legacy: If this means Vong Krayt, then someone like Dooku or Vader honestly.

    Reborn: Luke, Sidious, arguably Yoda and Plagueis.

    So anyone above Xanatos got it.

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    Kenobi directly compared a fraction of Hett's force presence to the Sith he has faced and that's pretty insane hype for him. He should beat Savage at least.

    I'd say prime Krayt can be beaten only by Luke and Sidious and post pool Taalon. You can extend that to ROTS Sidious or Yoda provided you make a good argument.

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    @azronger said:

    A’Sharad Hett:He's probably Maul-level in sabers, no clue about the Force

    Sith Apprentice Hett: No clue.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt: The same as above.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt: FotJ Luke, RotJ Sidious, RotJ Vader maybe, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

    Legacy Darth Krayt: No clue.

    Reborn Darth Krayt: DE Sidious certainly, maybe FotJ Luke, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

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    @vitisid said:

    @slayedigneel: I'm not responsible for this. Fact Files are.

    Isn't that quote in reference to the era like a hundred years after Taalon died? Or is it still counted as the same era?

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    @vitisid said:

    @slayedigneel: I'm not responsible for this. Fact Files are.

    Isn't that quote in reference to the era like a hundred years after Taalon died? Or is it still counted as the same era?

    The Legacy Era begins with the Legacy of the Force series and encompasses everything that comes after, i.e Fate of the Jedi and the Legacy comics.

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    #19  Edited By Vitisid

    @dawn_of_ages:

    FotJ is part of the same Legacy Era.

    Damn, ILS was faster.

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    @azronger said:

    A’Sharad Hett:He's probably Maul-level in sabers, no clue about the Force

    Sith Apprentice Hett: No clue.

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt: The same as above.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt: FotJ Luke, RotJ Sidious, RotJ Vader maybe, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

    Legacy Darth Krayt: No clue.

    Reborn Darth Krayt: DE Sidious certainly, maybe FotJ Luke, Plagueis with midi-chlorian manipulation

    RotJ Vader? RotJ Vader is probably weaker or at a level with Caedus, who Krayt would absolutely stomp. Vader doesn't have any feats to suggest he can handle Krayt.

    I think it would take DE Sidious to defeat peak Krayt, and I'm not convinced any version of Luke could do it without a good argument.

    As for Midichlorian manipulation, I don't necessarily believe that Plagueis has what it takes to disperse the midichlorians of someone immensely powerful in the Force, because their midichlorians will be far more willful and resistant to that kind of outside interference than those of a non-Force user. What Plagueis does to himself or non-Force users does not necessarily scale linearly once he is facing anyone even remotely powerful, let alone a top tier like Sidious or Krayt.

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    #21  Edited By Azronger

    @i_like_swords: Good point about Caedus - forgot how he factored into the equation.

    But yeah, the top tiers are the only ones who have a crack at Krayt. DE Sidious obviously.

    I'd need to reread the Plagueis novel to analyze Plagueis' ability more to have an in-depth discussion. Like I'm not sure about this willful thing you're talking about.

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    @azronger: Midichlorian having varying properties and levels of will is apparent from the fact that some non-Force sensitives, by the unique nature of their midichlorians, can resist telepathy even from Darth Plagueis himself until he altered those midichlorians to lower their defences. Therefore I think it'd be unwise to directly compare the midichlorians of some random muggle to, say, Yoda.

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    A'Sharad dies to Savage.

    The later versions of Krayt should all be stopped by RotS Sidious or above.

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    @i_like_swords:

    RotJ Vader? RotJ Vader is probably weaker or at a level with Caedus, who Krayt would absolutely stomp. Vader doesn't have any feats to suggest he can handle Krayt.

    Really? From the way you talk of him it would seem you have Krayt above Rotj Sidious, or close to DE Sidious. Not that I have anything against, I'm just surprised that Krayt is that powerful.

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    A'Sharad dies to Savage.

    The later versions of Krayt should all be stopped by RotS Sidious or above.

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    @i_like_swords:

    RotJ Vader? RotJ Vader is probably weaker or at a level with Caedus, who Krayt would absolutely stomp. Vader doesn't have any feats to suggest he can handle Krayt.

    Really? From the way you talk of him it would seem you have Krayt above Rotj Sidious, or close to DE Sidious. Not that I have anything against, I'm just surprised that Krayt is that powerful.

    To have Krayt below RotJ Sidious when he's operating at Luke's level in Apocalypse, let alone Reborn Krayt, would mean you have a seriously low opinion of Luke. Aside from that, Krayt's feats are top tier. I would love to hear arguments to the contrary from anyone willing to give them.

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    @i_like_swords: Looks like I seriously need to fully read Apocalypse, then, especially when Reborn Krayt scales above that iteration.

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    #28  Edited By Zapan871

    @i_like_swords: I read the most relevant parts, and I agree, he stomps Vader. As great as the latter is, if Krayt is close to DE Sidious, he could even one-shot, or come close to it.

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    A’Sharad Hett - every obi-wan level fighters

    Sith Apprentice Hett - no idea

    Post-Vong Darth Krayt - no precise idea, his feats at this time seems similar to Vong war Mara jade or something like this.

    Apocalypse Darth Krayt - Guys above FotJ Luke

    Legacy Darth Krayt - around Mace level

    Reborn Darth Krayt - DE Sheev or someone else who can cheapshot him (like cade ^^)

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    I neeed to reread the blog then, because Krayt being RotJ Sidious level is an extremely bold claim- one which I can come to accept if given the right persuasion.

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    I neeed to reread the blog then, because Krayt being RotJ Sidious level is an extremely bold claim- one which I can come to accept if given the right persuasion.

    Insofar as the evidence is concerned, Krayt rivalling an all-out Luke well before reaching the height of his power means that putting RotJ Sidious on his level is the bold claim. This debate is always framed as the Krayt side needing to provide evidence for some esoteric claim, yet while the evidence has been made available for everyone, I don't see any arguments from the Sidious camp to justify their own rankings. Once evidence has been given for a position the Krayt side is no longer beholden to anyone; you would now need to make an argument for Sidious or concede.

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    @i_like_swords:

    Okay. I'll definitely reread the blog in the next few days- my stance is not stable right now.

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    Damn, Sidious was screwed if Vader used Muur.

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    @slayedigneel: Sidious would oneshot Muur without any inclination of effort.

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    asharad hett: anyone obi wan level or above. the novel even says a moment of distratcion wouldve got obi killed. all characters that fall in this class that come to mind are dooku, starkiller, anakin, amped mace, darth plagus, fay, yoda, kyp durron, darth nyax, darth caedus, darish vol, sarusu taalon, darth krayt, de sidious, de and above luke. maybe darth wyyrlok as well

    next 2 are to unquantifiable to say

    apocalypse krayt: fotj and above luke and de sidious

    legacy krayt: same as above

    reborn krayt: monolith amped crucible luke and de sidious

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