Giant freakin' plot hole! Dang it, Disney!

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#1 Posted by Racob7 (9810 posts) - - Show Bio

How did the Jedi and Sith become only legend in such a short amount of time? The Jedi order was still a galactic force less than one generation ago, how is it that only Han Solo and Chewbaca remember them?

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#2 Posted by kgb725 (18766 posts) - - Show Bio

How is it a plot hole if the movie hasn't come out yet ? The Knights of Ren could possibly be putting a stranglehold on the galaxy and not letting anyone speak the name of any Jedi

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#3 Posted by william300 (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7: How do you know there the only ones who remember? He was probably talking to the new characters, neither of which have ever seen a Jedi. This films takes place around 60 years after order 66. The only active force users the galaxy ever saw after that was Luke and Vader. So it's not out of possibility that this new generation look at the stories of Jedi as legends.

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#4 Posted by Immortal_Turtle (10 posts) - - Show Bio

I got something to say. Disney DOES own Lucasfilm, but they don't own the rights to the movies, T.V shows, merchandise, comics, etc. Disney just gets some of the money that Lucasfilm gets.

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#5 Posted by william300 (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@immortal_turtle: Actually they do. They own everything Star Wars. The were even able to transfer the comic rights over to Marvel (Dark Horse originally had them). And they do own the film rights, there the whole reason were getting new films, Lucasfilm wasn't even going to make anymore. They don't have the rights to the original six films, but they do have full rights to all future films.

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#6 Edited by Spambot (9408 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if the movie were set 100 years earlier when the jedi were still at full power how many people in the entire galaxy do you think would have ever actually encountered a jedi? Maybe if you lived in Coruscant you may have seen one but 99.999% of people who live in the galaxy would likely have never seen one in their entire lives. Most people in the galaxy prob just knew of them but very little beyond that. That they played some role in galactic politics as advisers and were known to be fearsome warriors. Most probably have no idea what the force is either. So its not surprising if people in the time of TFA have doubts about who the jedi were and what they could do.

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#7 Posted by william300 (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot: Yea, we need to keep in mind that they weren't cops, they didn't intervene every time trouble pops up. Most of the time Jedi didn't like getting involved in wars happening within the Republic unless the Sith are involved. For the most part they kept to themselves unless directly asked by the Senate for help.

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#8 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

There's nothing in the original movies that implied that Jedi and Sith are a well known phenomenon. Quite the opposite, ideas of the force are mocked as an ancient religion.

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#9 Posted by redleader1 (845 posts) - - Show Bio

The only person who didnt know of the force is Rey and thats cause she is on some backwater planet. Finn knew he just wasnt sure about the specifics since as Abrams has said several times, the First Order is spreading propaganda hence Finn not knowing what the dark side is since that would sound a bit negative when referring to your "kind" leaders.

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#10 Posted by Penderor (5561 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7: How do you know there the only ones who remember? He was probably talking to the new characters, neither of which have ever seen a Jedi. This films takes place around 60 years after order 66. The only active force users the galaxy ever saw after that was Luke and Vader. So it's not out of possibility that this new generation look at the stories of Jedi as legends.

Its around 50 years and Finn should have know it. Dont tell me they dont teach stormtroopers about the Jedi lol.

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#11 Posted by william300 (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@penderor: why would they be taught that much about Jedi? there a group thought long dead, no chance of the troops encountering them. and whatever they were told was probably lies, troops raised in the first order was probably brainwashed and old that the Jedi were an an evil cult, only to begin hear rumors of the truth once they start seeing the rest of the galaxy.

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#12 Posted by redleader1 (845 posts) - - Show Bio

@penderor: Abrams told us that they lied to the troopers and said that the jedi are a myth and that the sith way is the only way of the force. They said that Luke was a terrorist and that vader sadly scummed to the light side in the end.

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#13 Edited by deactivated-5967bf6197d40 (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch said:

There's nothing in the original movies that implied that Jedi and Sith are a well known phenomenon. Quite the opposite, ideas of the force are mocked as an ancient religion.

This. This has been a thing since the original film. Why is it a problem now?

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#14 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

The Galaxy, contrary to popular belief is varying degrees of well known and not caring. I mean you have the Senate which has certain planets, and other independent sysems in the mid-rim, outer rim, hell even inner rim ones. Jedi aren't even well understood by the people on Coruscant, it'd be hard for others within those territories to even grasp what they represent. Sure you can travel at the speed of light, project holograms of info, and record anything possible, but most people with little exposure don't care or hear scant stories.

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#15 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17515 posts) - - Show Bio

True, Jedi were even considered a 'myth' during the time of Rebels(which is sometime during/after "A New Hope"). Really weird.

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#16 Posted by Joey_Destroyer_of_Worlds (3392 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't wanna be rude...

But no.

Even after Luke establishes his Jedi Order, it's implied that it's barely a handful of Padawans. They weren't exactly famous.

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#17 Posted by TheVivas (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

The Empire (Vader and Palpatine) destroyed any records relating to the Jedi and I think would imprison or kill anyone who mentioned Jedi during their reign.

I'm not sure about the gap between ROTJ and TWA though, hopefully the new novels will shed some light on that. The movie said Luke only had like 50 Padawans, though, or something like that.

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