People on earth after secret wars?

Reed Richards had apparently said that Peter saw things from a biological perspective making him a pro in the subject, and obviously managing Parker Industries is no little thing.

With a new high tech suit and new responsibilities will they move him up to the top 10?

I think he already is. I am interested in what Reed said though - can you provide an issue for it?

I don't think that he is right now. but I think that they will show were he is on the list post secret wars

I don't think they will ever let Peter reach his full potential. But who knows?

@amazingfantasy: Well he is now matured and hopefully he received a boost.

@kcomicfan: Where is he currently right now pre secret wars?

Lets see Reed and Doom are probably gone post secret wars. Amadeus Cho and Hank Pym not appearing in any titles from what I see. Bruce Banner possibly not around anymore.

Yeah, quite possibly given that some recent spiderman titles seemed to put a lot of emphasis on his intelligence being on paar with many confirmed geniuses.

@stahlflamme: I think Bruce will be back... But as the Maestro.

Now Peter is a genius. but he is not on the same level as Hank Pym, Reed Richard or Tony Stark

@kcomicfan: Yeah... Banner was making gamma bombs in his late teens and all that :/

@darksideous: I did not include him because I only needed to name a few.Bruce Banner, Doctor Doom, T'challa, Hank Mccoy and Amadeus Cho. are all smarter then Peter.

He isn't as smart as Reed, Doom, Pym, Banner, etc. but he is smarter than Tony, Amadeus and a lot of other smart people.

Peter is not smarter then Tony Stark, Amadeus Cho or Hank McCoy

Actually Hank Pym himself has stated that Peter is smarter than him and at 15 developed tech in his bedroom that took Hank years to do himself with a full lab setup.

That may be true, and in the future he might be at that level. but right now Stark, Pym and especially Richards. have been confirmed as being smarter. most of these scientists have way better feats of intelligence then peter.

He is like 10000x smarter than Amadeus Cho whose only feat is saying he is the 8th smartest in the world. He is also smarter than Tony Stark since he has fixed cosmic cubes, and discovered Parker Particles which are > than Arc Reactor tech. I didn't actually mention Hank but Peter may be smarter since he cured a flesh eating disease in seconds/minutes.

Just...No

here are the scientific feats for all the characters:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_(comics)#Genius-level_intellect
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeus_Cho#Powers_and_abilities
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Scientific_knowledge
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#Powers_and_abilities

Peter clearly is the least smart out of all these characters

Seriously dude? LOL.

Just ignore him...he tends to wear blinders when Spiderman's concern. And this is coming from a fanboy that has been reading Peter for over 30 years.

But Wiki is not really a good source of info. But I (and Marvel) do agree Peter is not among the super genius of 616 Marvel universe.

As I said before, Peter is a jack of many trades and but master of none. When has anyone who had a scientific delemma said "There is only one man in the world that is an expert of this field...we need SPIDERMAN" Yeah, no one lol

When someone having technology/computer/robotics/plagues/viruses/dimensional portals/Mutants difficulties etc, they go to Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Black Panther, Hank McCoy. Peter has never been the go to guy for any scientific field

I have multiple handbooks that classifieds Peter as gifted to genius level intellect (rank 4) Super Geniuses like the ones I mentioned above are level 5 to 6 intellect.

But Peter does have potential...Few of Marvel top 8 smartest minds (Stark and Reed) has admitted this

@visemoon this coming from a guy who can't even spell Spider-Man right just makes me LOL. If you believe your preciously inaccurate handbooks over real comics stories, then there is no point even talking to you. I guess you believe that Hulk can only lift a maximum of 100 tons as well, don't you?

Hulk can easily lift a excess of over 100 tons. Both handbooks comic continuity confirms this. Do you have something stating Hulk can only lift a maximum of 100 tons?

What?. while it might not be an ideal sorce, it clearly shows that peter is lacking in scientific feats compered to the other marvel geniuses.

Peter does not have multiple Doctorates, he can't speak many languages and he is not confirmed by Marvel as one of the smartest

Thank you, this is my point. Peter is smart, but he has never matched up to the other Marvel Geniuses.

Truth and I 2nd that...along with Marvel. Can't be wrong when marvel writers, publishers and handbooks established who are 616 Marvel's Top minds and Spiderman is NOT among them. Just some people have a very hard time accepting that

Peter is the biologist.

He is a pro at biology.

@visemoon Well, most of the Marvel editorial and quite a few of their writers know little to nothing about most characters. That's why they are all (the editorial especially) dumb dipshits.

The Amazing One is the property of Marvel. Writers, publishers, stories, comic continuity holds a lot more weight then your opinion and calling them "dipshit" because Peter is not (and never) been one of Marvel's Top minds shows your stubborness for not accepting what they have established all these years

I hope not. I'm not a fan of Peter Starker. I prefer genius to super genius when concerning Peter.

^I disagree, it's about time Peter had a area he excels in to the point of being a paragon. And clearly because others have hyped his potential, it's about time he starts showing that potential already. What good is being the flagship superhero and the most powerful street fighter in the marvel u without some creditbility. This jack of the trades stuff is just plot dirt to keep Spidey down to a relateable level even though Peter isn't in any sense realistic nor average from where we are.

I think he will.

@visemoon: Well, the continuity is what supports my "opinion". The writers and publishers of the handbook just make up random stats which are completely off base. Or do you think Spidey can only lift 10 tons like it says in the handbook?

Well you just made a bold claim. Ok, then…back it up. Every since you been here you've going against Marvel continuity and trying to place Peter in a spot where no one in Marvel comics (Writers, publisher or even marvel characters) has put him.

So I ask you, how does marvel continuity "supports" your opinion that Peter is one of the top 10 minds in 616 marvel? and remember, your wants, desires, dreams and wishes are not evidence.

@visemoon: So, I was just looking for a scan of the time Peter cured the flesh eating disease in minutes, and came across your post. I'm sorry I completely neglected to reply to you, but I decided to make a quick little list now that I have a bit of free time. It's far from complete, though.

IQ over 250. (ASM #580 something)

Discovers and harnesses Parker Particles, an unlimited source of energy that will keep increasing for the lifetime of the universe. When a young teen is exposed to them (by way of sabotage from one of Peter's coworkers), he gains extreme powers including matter manipulation, energy projection/absorption, hypersonic (at least) speed, strength able to one shot a monster that was giving the F4 a hard time and save the Avengers from Terminus, who "picked on like a high school bully". (ASM #692-694)

Later reverse engineered Terminus' staff (a piece of alien tech from a civilization that could challenge the Celestials) to create a device that could neutralize Parker Particles. (ASM #694)

invented an omniharmonic mesh that was capable of bending any waves (including sound waves and electromagnetic radiation). It was completely unaffected by a sonic attack that oneshot Hulk and that Iron Man couldn't figure out how to stop. (ASM #666)

created software that is "years ahead of Tony Stark's". (ASM Vol. 4 #13)

Taught the Ultimate version of Tony Stark how time travel works. (Spider-Men crossover)

built Spider tracers that have stealth tech even Iron Man's armor can't detect. (some issue of Invincible Iron Man)

equalled Reed Richards' test scores at a young age (backissue of ASM)

built the Iron Spider suit with Tony Stark. (ASM Vol. 4 #14)

built a time machine with Miguel O'Hara. (Spider-Man 2099 Vol. 3)

built different armors. Spider-Armor Mark IV was a liquid metal armor, that responded to his brain commands, and was able to withstand the force of a billion people's hits (over a trillion pounds of force in one shot), attacks from the Regent with the powers of Hyperion, Thor, Vision, Quicksilver, and many other heroes, a fall from outer space, attacks from Human Torch, choke hold from a bloodlusted Hercules, hits from an angry Saturn/Cronus (Zeus' father, skyfather level god), and sonic attacks so strong they damaged buildings behind him. Completely impervious to bullets. It could also holographically camouflage and enabled him to hold up a crane for an hour, straighten a collapsing skyscraper, overpower Iron Man in his current armor, nearly oneshot an amped Rhino, stagger/knock back Hyperion, and hurt Regent. It also seems to have some sort of limited regeneration capabilities. It is impervious to EMP attacks. Another armor was able to withstand Lash's strongest blasts and was not damaged in two hits by the technology of a 2099 bounty hunter whose guns had never failed to oneshot anything else. (ASM Vol. 4, Spider-Man 2099 Vol. 3, All-new Inhumans, Civil War II Gods of War)

created z-metal Web fluid that can drain or output electrical energy from any devices, including drain power from a car and Iron Man's repulsors, as well as power a giant light. It was able to output so much power that it supercharged solar panels to the point they emitted a giant beam of blue energy as well as an electromagnetic pulse, which his armor is impervious to. (ASM Vol. 4)

has tech in his newest armor that completely immobilized Morgan Le Fay, with all her magical shield and regeneration abilities (shoe was Abel to regenerate after Sentry ripped her head off) in her home dimension, with an electric/energy attack that completely overloaded those regenerative abilities and left her in a vegetative state for an unknown period of time. (Spider-Man/Deadpool)

invented web shooters sonic disrupters that were powerful enough to scramble Hydro-Man's brain functions (Spider-Man/Deadpool)

improved web fluid that blocked Iron Man's repulsors, held up a collapsing skyscraper, stopped Quintronic Man (villain who held his own against the Hulk), slowed down an Aztec goddess and can apparently stop the Hulk. (ASM Vol. 4)

analyzed the flaws in the Quintronic Man suit (highly advanced tech that fought Hulk to a standstill), and correctly predicted when and why it would blow up, on the fly while fighting it. (Civil War II: Amazing Spider-Man)

invented cyro-pellets that were even able to freeze Captain America. (ASM 682-687)

hacked Stark's safeguards in the Iron Spider. (ASM: Civil War)

invented a new form of mathematics on the fly while trying to stop a catastrophe that was destroying the building he was in. (ASM #648)

cured a flesh eating disease in minutes. (not sure about the reference for this)

works with Reed Richards to upgrade Iron Man's Bleeding Edge armor in order to sync it up with Invisible Woman's forcefield and protect the city from alien Invasion. (Fantastic Four #600)

invented hard-line energy wings for Mockingbird. (ASM Vol. 4 #4)

invented holographic stealth technology for SHIELD (ASM Vol. 4 #2)

beat Doctor Octopus in raw brainpower, overwhelming Ock's brainwaves with his own, after Ock had used a machine to project his brainwaves into all tech in New York city, and control it. Later, Peter used that machine to fix all the tech in NYC in less than 20 min. Later used it to control hundreds of thousands of robots all at once. (ASM #600, 666)

built computers that can rewrite their software and actually change their physical structure to adapt to hacking attempts. (ASM Vol. 4 #1)

built a car that can drive on walls. (ASM Vol. 4 #1)

learned Mandarin in months, if not weeks. (ASM Vol. 4 #1)

is able to compute advanced mathematics in his head to successfully calculate the path he should take to land in Paris while in the middle of free falling from outer space and burning up in the Earth's atmosphere. (ASM Vol. 4 #9)

builds Spider-Armor Mark III which has repulsor flight capabilities. (ASM #682-687)

made sensors that can track the movements of Blur, a FTL speedster, see into various parts of the Electromagnetic spectrum, and track magical energy. (ANAD Squadron Supreme, ASM Vol. 4 annual #1)

created sonic disruptor webbing, web cannons, acid webbing, magnetic webbing that can also block radio signals, etc.

built a suit that can change its external temperature. (ASM Vol. 4 #17)

built an exoskeleton that heats up when the wearer punches harder (Venom: Spaceknight #11)

upgraded Doc Ock's Spider-bots, (which were able to hack Ultron bots and the helicarrier) to make them even smaller and able to inject substances into people, even able to track down teleporters. (Superior Spider-Man #31, ASM Vol. 4 #6)

invented an anti-magnetic inverter. (ASM #1)

built a homemade neutrino catcher in high school. (ASM #648)

knows more about Pym Particles than Hank Pym does (Mosaic #4)

discovered a phenomenon called quantum transposition which apparently accounts for Reed Richards', Susan Storm's, and Johnny Storm's extraphysical forms, among other things. (Mosaic #4)

That's nice...No one here is saying Peter is not smart

@visemoon: Yeah, it is great. That also more than suffices to prove he is in the top 10 minds at least. I do have to partially retract my statement, though, since writers have shown him matching up and outwitting other Marvel geniuses, and much more often than I had thought.

Like I said before, I already know how intelligent Peter is and I know of just about all his feats. I've been reading his comics for over 30 years, but until marvel says he's in the Top 10 minds in 616, he is not.

Dude, I love this evidence, this is amazing! But...the bolded is debatable.

Id Est:

• Do we have proof that Regent was actually using the powers of the heavy hitters?
• Human Torch was angry at best, not bloodlusted.
• I have yet to see a scan of him with definitive proof of overpowering Iron Man Mark LI.
• He didn't invent a new form of mathematics, he modified equations already in use for Vibranium (Vibranium Calculus, I think it was called).
• Is Blur FTL? I don't know, I'm legitimately asking - and was he going FTL when going up against Spider-Man?
• In Mosaic #4, he has suspicions that they're more unstable. Saying that he knows more is a little misleading. Plus, this is probably not true anymore since with Raz Malhotra (Ultimates Vol. 2 #3), he found out that Pym Particles were programmable.

Just sayin'. But this is AWESOME!!!

Also, I have two proposals to make.

One: With minds like Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, T'Challa, Amadeus Cho, Victor Von Doom, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, Hank McCoy, Valeria Richards, Adam Brashear (That's ten people, in no particular order), Peter Parker falls just short of the top ten.

Two: Peter Parker has the potential to be the smartest (hu)man in the MU. (And by human, I mean excluding extraterristrials like Thanos.)

Peter Parker is a super-genius. However, due to his commitment to his responsibilty, a lot of potential science-time is spent helping others as Spider-Man. Thus, he is NOT at his full potential. In contrast, people like the list above spend a bulk of their time doing just science. But, as @visemoon said above, "jack of all trades, master of none." If he spent even more time doing science, he could be master of all the trades. But that will probably never happen, because he's Spider-Man. :)

Also, you forgot to add possible telepathic resistance (Mosaic #4)!

@bjparks Yes, Regent did announce his attacks a couple times (once he used Hyperion's eye beams, and one attack was Quicksilver's speed and Thor strength). He didn't announce powers every time he used them, so it is almost certainly true he was using strength and durability, at least, for the whole fight.

I never said Human Torch was angry or bloodlusted, though he definitely was angry. He was probably using some pretty hot fire there too, since he knew Spidey could take it.

They haven't fought seriously, so it isn't definitive, but in ASM 13 Spidey breaks out of two different holds from Iron Man. Considering Iron Man had used those same holds to subdue Spidey in an earlier story, the fact that he was now able to break free also reinforces the conclusion that he is, if not stronger, around the same strength level.

He created a new form of Wakandan Calculus that was able to adjust for different parameters, since it seems normal Wakandan calculus does not do that.

Blur soundly defeated Quicksilver in a race, and Quicksilver is FTL. Unless some concrete evidence comes in showing that he isn't, we can say that he is. Blur didn't say how fast he was going, but he was trying to escape, so he was probably traveling at full speed when Spidey tagged him. I just realized he was able to stagger/knock back Hyperion twice in this issue as well.

Peter doesn't say he has suspicions. He states that interactions between Pym particles and normal matter aren't as stable as Pym had led everyone to believe, showing that he discovered/figured out more than Pym did about them. That issue also shows that he discovered a phenomenon known as "quantum transposition", which apparently explains the extraphysical forms of Reed Richards and both Storms (I'm assuming Sue and Johnny).

It's cool that you liked it, hope that cleared up any clarifications you required.

As for your idea, I don't really want Peter to have the potential to be the smartest person. It is bad enough now when he doesn't fulfill his talents, but it would be even more depressing then. Also, his intellectual feats are much better than a lot of the people you put on your list as top 10 (especially Amadeus Cho) - that's why Peter is top 10.

I definitely agree that Slott hasn't done enough with the opportunity Peter has at Parker Industries. I don't think he is much of a science enthusiast, which is probably why he doesn't even know what to do with the resources Peter has here. I'd definitely like to see another writer take a crack at writing Peter in P.I.

The telepathic resistance is cool, but I don't really think it is intelligence. Besides, it really isn't that good if a novice like Mosaic could beat it...! Anyways, his omni-harmonic mesh should render him immune to telepathy since Iron Man once blocked out telepathy by blocking a frequency. Since omni-harmonic mesh can bend all waves and frequencies, it would provide him telepathic resistance.

@visemoon: I really don't think Marvel will ever make an official list apart from saying Reed and Doom are the smartest. I wouldn't want them to, either, since it ruins the fun of debating it. Anyways, the feats accomplished by Peter easily put him in the top 10, when compared to any other super genius out there (again, except the top 2).

Ah, not quite:

• I understand Regent had all the abilities you mentioned. But where is the force of a billion people's hits/trillion pounds of force figure coming from?
• I have seen you debate the second point with another user, and, while I haven't made up my mind yet, there isn't enough definite proof.
• Blur being faster than Quicksilver doesn't mean he was going full speed when he was trying to escape. It's possible, but not necessarily probable.
• Fine on the last point. But, I think it's more correct to say knows more about Pym Particles than Hank Pym DID (Mosaic #4) since Hank Pym has since worked with Raz Malhotra to discover the Pym Particles' true nature.

To each his own about the intelligence, I guess. :)

@bjparks: Oh, that's from another story where Spidey was punched by a guy with the strength of everyone in China. Which is, obviously, a billion+ people.

Yeah, I agree that it is a little bit ambiguous, since it isn't shown clearly, but rather implied.

I think Blur would definitely have been going full speed if he was trying to escape. It's not like there would have been a reason for him not to, like when he was attacking Spidey and might have been trying to hold back.

Was the story with Hank Pym released after Mosaic #4? Mosaic #4 was out last month IIRC.

Oh yeah...I actually read that comic. I just forgot.

It wasn't a story with Hank Pym, an off-hand comment in The Ultimates #3:

Edit: After rereading the scans, Hank Pym wasn't involved. So I'm sorry, your statement was correct. :)

Okay, now pick up quotes from high universal constants quoting repeatedly that Reed, Hank, Doom, Stark, Higher Revolution or a few more in the top 7 are smarter and have universal significance, everything Peter does / is not close to Of the intellectual massivity of the true geniuses of the earth.

@jonathanpym: What? How about discovering and controlling the most powerful source of power in the universe - Parker Particles? The Phoenix Force is of multiversal significance and Parker Particles are more powerful than that. Besides, Peter has never interacted with any "universal constants" to have them say anything about him....

He definitely already is; let's not forget the time he created a time machine out of household items.