Who is Spider-Man's arch-enemy?

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Posted by kcomicfan (4690 posts) 3 years, 5 months ago

Poll: Who is Spider-Man's arch-enemy? (96 votes)

The Green Goblin 71%
Doctor Octopus 8%
Venom 16%
Other 5%

Who is Spider-Man's arch-enemy?

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#1 Edited by kcomicfan (4690 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally think Spider-man's Arch-enemy is the Green Goblin, But Doctor Octopus is a close second.

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#3 Posted by RabumAlal (5311 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin killed Gwen, after having sex and two babies with her, there is no topping that. Even killing Peter and taking his body isn't that bad. (Peter's life sucks)

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#4 Posted by deactivated-5a42ac11a1d9e (79 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin

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#5 Edited by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin is probably the main pick. Venom makes more sense though.

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#6 Posted by Rubear (4651 posts) - - Show Bio

Parker's luck is real Spider-man archenemy.

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#7 Posted by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin is probably the main pick. Venom makes more sense though.

How? Brock wasn't that bad, they were even teaming up together within four years after his creation. Venom was a anti-hero by 92.

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#8 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

@invain said:
@heatblaze123 said:

Green Goblin is probably the main pick. Venom makes more sense though.

How? Brock wasn't that bad, they were even teaming up together within four years after his creation. Venom was a anti-hero by 92.

He's like a twisted version of Spider Man, he has all of Spider Man's powers (with an added strength boost), he doesn't trigger his Spider Sense, plus more. he wanted him and his life destroyed, not to mention he has killed innocent people before. he was pretty bad, yeah, he was toned down after a while.

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#9 Posted by panther21 (1277 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom.

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#10 Posted by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

He's like a twisted version of Spider Man, he has all of Spider Man's powers (with an added strength boost), he doesn't trigger his Spider Sense, plus more. he wanted him and his life destroyed, not to mention he has killed innocent people before. he was pretty bad, yeah, he was toned down after a while.

Sounds like a reasons for him to be a lethal opponent, not a arch enemy. Goblin and doc Ock have done more things to mess up Peter's life than Venom. I would actually put chameleon before Venom if I was to count down Spider-Man's arch enemies.

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#11 Edited by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

@invain said:
@heatblaze123 said:

He's like a twisted version of Spider Man, he has all of Spider Man's powers (with an added strength boost), he doesn't trigger his Spider Sense, plus more. he wanted him and his life destroyed, not to mention he has killed innocent people before. he was pretty bad, yeah, he was toned down after a while.

Sounds like a reasons for him to be a lethal opponent, not a arch enemy.

That doesn't make sense, he's fueled by hatred towards Peter even goes as far as to kill others just to get to him and torture him.

Goblin and doc Ock have done more things to mess up Peter's life than Venom.

What's the worst Doc Ock as done? Edit (If you're talking about Superior I don't even know how that would work)

I would actually put chameleon before Venom if I was to count down Spider-Man's arch enemies.

Your opinion.

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#12 Edited by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatblaze123 said:
@invain said:
@heatblaze123 said:

He's like a twisted version of Spider Man, he has all of Spider Man's powers (with an added strength boost), he doesn't trigger his Spider Sense, plus more. he wanted him and his life destroyed, not to mention he has killed innocent people before. he was pretty bad, yeah, he was toned down after a while.

Sounds like a reasons for him to be a lethal opponent, not a arch enemy.

That doesn't make sense, he's fueled by hatred towards Peter even goes as far as to kill others just to get to him and torture him.

Yes, being fueled by hatered is a good reason for Peter being Venom's arch enemy. Not a good reason for Venom to be Peter's arch enemy. If you are implying that Venom should be number one simply because he has killed a few people that don't even make sense considering carnage has killed a lot more.

What's the worst Doc Ock as done?

There was one time that he took over Peter's body and wrecked his life. Also the original master mind of the sinister six and once tried to Mary aunt may. First opponent that Peter ever lost to in combat.

Your opinion

Chameleon once tricked Peter into thinking his Parents was still alive and in doing so wrecked his life worse then Venom ever has.

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#13 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

@invain said:
@heatblaze123 said:
@invain said:
@heatblaze123 said:

He's like a twisted version of Spider Man, he has all of Spider Man's powers (with an added strength boost), he doesn't trigger his Spider Sense, plus more. he wanted him and his life destroyed, not to mention he has killed innocent people before. he was pretty bad, yeah, he was toned down after a while.

Sounds like a reasons for him to be a lethal opponent, not a arch enemy.

That doesn't make sense, he's fueled by hatred towards Peter even goes as far as to kill others just to get to him and torture him.

Yes, that is a good reason for Peter being Venom's arch enemy. Not a good reason for Venom to be Peter's arch enemy.

What? I don't understand.....

What's the worst Doc Ock as done?

There was one time that he took over Peter's body and wrecked his life. Also the original master mind of the sinister six and once tried to Mary aunt may. First opponent that Peter ever lose to in combat.

Otto barley ruined his life, in fact he did the opposite, he made Parker industries and Pete owns that company.

Your opinion

Chameleon once tricked Peter into thinking his Parents was still alive and in doing so wrecked his life worse then Venom ever has.

No worst than Vulture seemingly killing his mom in front of his eyes?

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#14 Posted by silent_bomber (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the worst Doc Ock as done?

  • Stole Pete's body for months
  • Killed Captain Stacy
  • Bashed Black Cat against a wall repeatedly then held her still and had his goons riddle her with bullets

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#15 Posted by MakkyD (6989 posts) - - Show Bio

7 replies and not a single "Dan Slott" comment? I'm shocked CV.

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#16 Posted by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatblaze123: Your argument for why Venom should be Peter's arch enemy doesn't make sense. Your giving reasons why Venom hates Peter but none on why Peter should despise Venom more then he does Doc Ock and Osborne. Saying Venom should be number one because he kills a few people, which is your only logical argument so far, doesn't even make sense considering that Spider-man has other villains that has killed a lot more.

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#17 Posted by MakkyD (6989 posts) - - Show Bio

On-topic, Green Goblin seemed designed to be it by Stan Lee. Two of his first major events (being unmasked and having a loved one killed) were by Green Goblin and he had a personal connection (being his best friend's father).

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#18 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the worst Doc Ock as done?

  • Stole Pete's body for months
  • Killed Captain Stacy
  • Bashed Black Cat against a wall repeatedly then held her still and had his goons riddle her with bullets
  • And what happened afterwards? Got a company, rich, and hasn't really done anything damaging to his life.
  • He didn't kill him directly, Peter made Otto's arms malfunction and the arms knocked over debris over a kid and Captain Stacy pushed him out of the way and he ended up getting killed.
  • Venom brutalized Black Cat too.
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#19 Posted by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatblaze123: Doc Ock essentially mind raped Peter for months. That alone is reason enough to hate him more then Venom. So what if he did somthing that benefited Peter while doing so, he still took his life away. Months that he will never get back.

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#20 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

@invain said:

@heatblaze123: Your argument for why Venom should be Peter's arch enemy doesn't make sense. Your giving reasons why Venom hates Peter but none on why Peter should despise Venom more then he does Doc Ock and Osborne. Saying Venom should be number one because he kills a few people, which is your only logical argument so far, doesn't even make sense considering that Spider-man has other villains that has killed a lot more.

Honestly my real reason is more for Venom aesthetically represents the opposite of Peter, I probably should have phrased it differently.

Your reason for Otto doesn't make sense either though. He hasn't done anything that really horrible that comes close to Osborne.

Saying Venom should be number one because he kills a few people.

You were calling Venom an Antihero, I'm just saying he was obviously not, unless you mean he was an Antihero by 92 and you acknowledge he was villian, then nvm.

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#21 Posted by silent_bomber (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

  • Venom brutalized Black Cat too.

Venom did next to nothing to Black Cat, he broke her nose and knocked her about a bit. There was little actual malice involved, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got in his way. Also she wasn't even dating Pete at the time.

Ock went out of his way to actively try to kill her, he put her in critical condition, she was in hospital for months and months.

The truth of the situation is that Venom has actually done barely anything to Pete at all over the years, the guy's honour prevented him from attacking Pete's friends and family so their confrontations have been generally limited to fair fights to the death.

and on top of that Venom was neutered pretty fast, the guy's probably saved Pete nearly as many times as he's attacked him now!

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Two of his first major events (being unmasked and having a loved one killed) were by Green Goblin

Just to be pedantic Doc Ock unmasked Pete first (Ock didn't believe it was really him because Pete had fought so poorly) :D

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#22 Posted by Invain (5150 posts) - - Show Bio

@invain said:

@heatblaze123: Your argument for why Venom should be Peter's arch enemy doesn't make sense. Your giving reasons why Venom hates Peter but none on why Peter should despise Venom more then he does Doc Ock and Osborne. Saying Venom should be number one because he kills a few people, which is your only logical argument so far, doesn't even make sense considering that Spider-man has other villains that has killed a lot more.

Honestly my real reason is more for Venom aesthetically represents the opposite of Peter, I probably should have phrased it differently.

Your reason for Otto doesn't make sense either though. He hasn't done anything that really horrible that comes close to Osborne.

Saying Venom should be number one because he kills a few people.

You were calling Venom an Antihero, I'm just saying he was obviously not, unless you mean he was an Antihero by 92 and you acknowledge he was villian, then nvm.

Oh, okay.

If you don't think steeling someone's life for months is just cause to hate someone whether they did things to benefit you or not, then we will have to agree to disagree.

Yes, I meant that by 92 in the maximum carnage story-arc Venom was essentially a antihero. He even had his own series by 93 which saw him literally being a antihero.

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#23 Edited by MakkyD (6989 posts) - - Show Bio

@silent_bomber: ...(crap, forgot that) it wasn't really a proper unmasking, though, Goblin used his to target him at his home and was one of the first villains to exploit his knowledge of Peter Parker.

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....Kraven the Hunter?

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#25 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatblaze123 said:
  • Venom brutalized Black Cat too.

Venom did next to nothing to Black Cat, he broke her nose and knocked her about a bit. There was little actual malice involved, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got in his way. Also she wasn't even dating Pete at the time.

Ock went out of his way to actively try to kill her, he put her in critical condition, she was in hospital for months and months.

The truth of the situation is that Venom has actually done barely anything to Pete at all over the years, the guy's honour prevented him from attacking Pete's friends and family so their confrontations have been generally limited to fair fights to the death.

and on top of that Venom was neutered pretty fast, the guy's probably saved Pete nearly as many times as he's attacked him now!

Way to jump shifts and ignore the other parts of your original posts I addressed. And I addressed the Venom part a few posts above about Venom.

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#26 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18084 posts) - - Show Bio

@silent_bomber: to be fair, Captain Stacys death was an accident. Otto didnt have control of his arms at the time.

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#27 Posted by knightwriteri (741 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin most definitely but...

Venom is really the only villain Spider-Man fears.

While I love pre superior Otto I've always felt he was poorly used and overated for much of his history. Web of Death was great though.

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#28 Edited by deactivated-59847e5816856 (198 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin is undoubtedly Spidey's arch nemesis, though he hasn't done much in the recent years (as of yet). Otto would probably be the runner-up having done his fair share against the Wall-Crawler. For Venom's case, he is one of the main Spidey villain, being the "dark-side" representation of Spider-Man (at least he used to be), however he really isn't Spidey's arch enemy, especially ever since Eddie has lost the symbiote.

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#29 Posted by Draviex (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Easily Green Goblin. They never should have brought him back during Clone Wars. Especially with that stupid Sin's Past story line. That was freaking messed up.

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#30 Posted by LastOblivion (214 posts) - - Show Bio

Norman Osborn is the answer. But Otto Octavius is a close second.

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#31 Posted by Abishai100 (1744 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage: Cereal

I keep changing my answer to this question, since all the Spidey nemeses are so interesting.

Everyone sees the symbolic value of Venom and the mania/mad science value of Green Goblin (Norman Osborn), but I'm leaning right now towards Carnage.

Cletus Kasady by himself is psychotic enough, but when he dons the symbiote and transforms into the mayhem-rich Carnage, we really get a picture of criminality paranoia symbolic of Spider-Man's pedestrianism-defense world/universe.

Carnage is also a great marketing symbol for comic book villainy, since he invites fans/audiences to consider the tangibility of violent instincts.

I'd like to see someone like Ashton Kutcher portray Carnage in the next Hollywood (USA) Spidey film.

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#32 Posted by Manchine (6328 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally think Spider-man's Arch-enemy is the Green Goblin, But Doctor Octopus is a close second.

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#33 Posted by kiba (3743 posts) - - Show Bio

Joe Q

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#34 Posted by Jimishim12 (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

Doc Ock, Spiderman shares a more engaging foil to Octavious than harry's crazy father and completely nutty psychopath who IMO is a terrible villain at making Spiderman break. Ock has broken Spiderman and has more a rivalry than GG.

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#35 Posted by Heatblaze (10400 posts) - - Show Bio

Dan Slott.

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#36 Posted by amazingfantasy (2497 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say you're spot on, Green Goblin at first and Ock slightly behind.

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#37 Edited by blackspidey2099 (6734 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin definitely. He is one of the few villains with a strong personal connection to Peter. Ock is definitely second, despite how he should pose no threat to Spidey, who is superior to him in every way.

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#38 Posted by daviddv0601 (258 posts) - - Show Bio

The Green Goblin is definitely Spider-Man's archenemy. He caused the most pain towards Spider-Man, always torments him, always laughs maniacally and menacingly at Spider-Man, killed his one true love, impregnanted his one true love, traumatized his aunt May, etc.

I do agree that Doctor Octopus is definitely his secondary archenemy. He killed Gwen Stacy's father, a close ally of Spider-Man, started the Sinister Six which is all Spider-Man's rogues teaming up, nearly married his aunt May to murder her, etc.

Venom is still a tertiary archenemy but more of a rival. He has caused some pain towards Spider-Man but not as much as Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus did.

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#40 Posted by ItsaWorld (2376 posts) - - Show Bio

The current staff at Marvel. They tore him apart and left him as a husk of what he once was.

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#41 Edited by Spideypice (1 posts) - - Show Bio

It's JJJ in the perspective of messing spider-man's life. He was the main reason spidey had hard time around, treated Peter Parker poorly as a boss, was involved deeply in the origin of some spidey villains such as Spider Slayer and Scorpion, and he appeared in Spider-man comics from the very first time.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5caa8c47e8598 (1686 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin killed Spider-Man's first love, that automatically makes him his arch enemy

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#43 Posted by Eto (5334 posts) - - Show Bio

Quasada

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#45 Edited by stolen_kids (3 posts) - - Show Bio

While I love Venom (but hate the whole "evil double" thing), my original pick was Doctor Octopus because of Superior, but upon closer evaluation, for me, Spidey's nemesis has to be the Green Goblin. Doc Ock is definitely a close second, Venom takes the spot as number three, and the Chameleon is number 4.

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Quasada

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#47 Edited by njchrispatrick (327 posts) - - Show Bio

In my mind I've always felt that superheroes have villain scales, from the cockroach-like street villain who shows up constantly just to get beaten to the one-off earth-shaking villain. A nemesis is someone who is iconic but not a massive threat either, at least beyond the individual hero.

Venom, Dark Phoenix, Kang, and Thanos are all "major villains". They show up rarely and it's generally a huge deal.

Green Goblin, Magneto, and Doom are all nemesis-level. Scary as they are they rarely actually DO anything spectacular. Also they're usually the best developed. And extremely recurring.

Doc Oc is just on the higher end of the cockroach villain spectrum. He's done some freaky stuff but he's still kinda a throwaway villain; not a character-defining nemesis. (Although he's come close.) Same as Mystique, Zemo, Mole-Man, or Mister Sinister.

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#48 Posted by amazingfantasy (2497 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say you're spot on, Green Goblin at first and Ock slightly behind.

Well, I agree with 2 years ago me... Which is rare LOL

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#49 Posted by BlindingLights (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin

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#50 Edited by AbstractRaze (2808 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage, a shame such option isn't there, double-facepalm with an iron glove.

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