We've seen Spider-Man's death due to Ultimatum.  Well, I suppose we haven't actually seen it.  But people seem to be pretty sure he's dead.

Jameson finally sees the light, can't wait to check it out.

When i first saw JJ's look on his face when he realized how wrong he was I felt the same as he did. because it was too little too late

Lol, "Hail Hydra" G-Man's checking the girls out

The reason JJJ was only writing about one spider-man story is because he didn't find out he was "dead" untill the end of the issue, then he finds out he's writing his requiem, so seeing as how it's a two parter, I'm sure we will get to see all of his many accomplishments in issue 2

Wonder how he's going to be brought back for the new ultimate spider-man series

"The reason JJJ was only writing about one spider-man story is because he didn't find out he was "dead" untill the end of the issue, then he finds out he's writing his requiem, so seeing as how it's a two parter, I'm sure we will get to see all of his many accomplishments in issue 2"

I agree it wasn't perfect and that it could have covered more ground, but the ending is really the set up for the second issue and what that will be, which I'm more excited for. 

I still think it will be a montage of events

The world's reation to Spider-man death! - I think that's a pretty good plot to explore in an alternate reality.

Also, I liked the music during the review. Keep it up!

i think this is cool thing to do in an alternate reality because no one would be ok w/ spidey dying (and actually dying) in the 616 world. buttttt i feel like jameson is a little dumb. idk. i dont like this concept. maybe its just too out of character or something. idk. it just seems off. yea i know its ultimate and different and its good to be different, whatever. still seems weird. dont love it. bendis is legit tho

In Jameson's defense, he was always about the "true" hero.  Originally the reason he hated Spidey so much was because he wore a mask like a coward.  He got a lot of attention and was a glory hound while other people, like his son, were more the unsung heroes.  For all they did, no one really cared.  Spidey was all about the flash and glitz (remember he did start out as an entertainer before Uncle Ben died).  Now, Jameson feels like a douche that this kid obviously risked his life over and over and sacrificed himself.

As far as Spidey dying in the Ultimate universe, imagine if Bendis and Marvel actually did it.  Now I'm sure we can all agree that we know he will return.  But how rad would it be if Marvel actually did kill off Peter Parker (even in the Ultimate universe)?

"In Jameson's defense, he was always about the "true" hero.  Originally the reason he hated Spidey so much was because he wore a mask like a coward.  He got a lot of attention and was a glory hound while other people, like his son, were more the unsung heroes.  For all they did, no one really cared.  Spidey was all about the flash and glitz (remember he did start out as an entertainer before Uncle Ben died).  Now, Jameson feels like a douche that this kid obviously risked his life over and over and sacrificed himself.As far as Spidey dying in the Ultimate universe, imagine if Bendis and Marvel actually did it.  Now I'm sure we can all agree that we know he will return.  But how rad would it be if Marvel actually did kill off Peter Parker (even in the Ultimate universe)?"

"@Tyler Starke said:

"The reason JJJ was only writing about one spider-man story is because he didn't find out he was "dead" untill the end of the issue, then he finds out he's writing his requiem, so seeing as how it's a two parter, I'm sure we will get to see all of his many accomplishments in issue 2"

I think #2 will be more of MJ's and Kitty's feelings about what happened"

ehh imagine if this was the 616 spider-man, we would be gettin a mini series of requiems, I just want the new book to hurry up and come out.

"@War Killer said:

"@Tyler Starke said:

"The reason JJJ was only writing about one spider-man story is because he didn't find out he was "dead" untill the end of the issue, then he finds out he's writing his requiem, so seeing as how it's a two parter, I'm sure we will get to see all of his many accomplishments in issue 2"

I think #2 will be more of MJ's and Kitty's feelings about what happened"

i hope so because we really dont see much emotion from the people that love him the most"

They should totally kill him, it's only the Ultimate Universe it's not like it is the real Spiderman. Why not take advantage of the fact that you can kill a character without killing a character. The great thing about the Ultimate Universe is that you can do that kind of stuff and it doesn't effect what is really going on in the real Marvel Universe. I say kill him and leave him dead for as long as you can, see where you can take it.

Never really gotten into Ultimate Spidey, but it sounds like they killed him of, soooo, yeah he's dead.

im gonna miss that dude

God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough.

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

"@Vindellavon said:

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

Who's JP?

Anyway, in Ultimatum, the question is not who died, but who survived...Loeb can't write to save his life, and simply kills everyone...And Ultimate Spider-man was one of my favourite titles; even though I admit that Bendis' writing started to worsen after the Clone Saga, and Bagley's departure. But still, it deserved a far better ending."

"im gonna miss that dude "

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

Who's JP?

Anyway, in Ultimatum, the question is not who died, but who survived...Loeb can't write to save his life, and simply kills everyone...And Ultimate Spider-man was one of my favourite titles; even though I admit that Bendis' writing started to worsen after the Clone Saga, and Bagley's departure. But still, it deserved a far better ending."

They blew up the Institute in Ultimatum, killing everyone inside, including Jean-Paul. He was crippled, as if he hadn't suffered enough, and all that time Piotr spent looking for him, and they blew him off? Now they kill of Spidey? Pure and utter bull. "

"@Vindellavon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

Who's JP?

Anyway, in Ultimatum, the question is not who died, but who survived...Loeb can't write to save his life, and simply kills everyone...And Ultimate Spider-man was one of my favourite titles; even though I admit that Bendis' writing started to worsen after the Clone Saga, and Bagley's departure. But still, it deserved a far better ending."

They blew up the Institute in Ultimatum, killing everyone inside, including Jean-Paul. He was crippled, as if he hadn't suffered enough, and all that time Piotr spent looking for him, and they blew him off? Now they kill of Spidey? Pure and utter bull. "

Ah, Northstar, I see. I was very annoyed by Xavier's death, however. Why not have him truly die in the Apocalypse story arc, just to kill him in so futile a way afterwards?"

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

Who's JP?

Anyway, in Ultimatum, the question is not who died, but who survived...Loeb can't write to save his life, and simply kills everyone...And Ultimate Spider-man was one of my favourite titles; even though I admit that Bendis' writing started to worsen after the Clone Saga, and Bagley's departure. But still, it deserved a far better ending."

They blew up the Institute in Ultimatum, killing everyone inside, including Jean-Paul. He was crippled, as if he hadn't suffered enough, and all that time Piotr spent looking for him, and they blew him off? Now they kill of Spidey? Pure and utter bull. "

Ah, Northstar, I see. I was very annoyed by Xavier's death, however. Why not have him truly die in the Apocalypse story arc, just to kill him in so futile a way afterwards?"

I agree. They just went off and shot off every character they couldn't use any longer. Remember Dazzler? Didn't she spend an ample amount of time in a coma, and then what happened? She drowned in a wave. *facepalm* I love the Ultimate Universe, but these endings... This is absolutely unacceptable. "

"@Vindellavon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon said:

" God dam it, Marvel. As if murdering JP and 'Crawler wasn't enough. "

Who's JP?

Anyway, in Ultimatum, the question is not who died, but who survived...Loeb can't write to save his life, and simply kills everyone...And Ultimate Spider-man was one of my favourite titles; even though I admit that Bendis' writing started to worsen after the Clone Saga, and Bagley's departure. But still, it deserved a far better ending."

They blew up the Institute in Ultimatum, killing everyone inside, including Jean-Paul. He was crippled, as if he hadn't suffered enough, and all that time Piotr spent looking for him, and they blew him off? Now they kill of Spidey? Pure and utter bull. "

Ah, Northstar, I see. I was very annoyed by Xavier's death, however. Why not have him truly die in the Apocalypse story arc, just to kill him in so futile a way afterwards?"

I agree. They just went off and shot off every character they couldn't use any longer. Remember Dazzler? Didn't she spend an ample amount of time in a coma, and then what happened? She drowned in a wave. *facepalm* I love the Ultimate Universe, but these endings... This is absolutely unacceptable. "

And there are so many others; Thor, Dr Strange, Wasp, Hank Pym (didn't like him, but still). And isn't Beast dead, as well? With all those killings, I can hardly tell the dead from the living anymore. And what about the sudden transformation of Blob and Sabretooth to zombies who are out for blood? Neither of them had demonstrated any signs of cannibalism before - but when logic ends, Loeb begins...I can't believe it is the same man who wrote in such excellent a fashion "The Long Halloween". The structure in TLH is brilliant; in Ultimates vol.3 & Ultimatum it is simply nonexistent. Just going for the easy shock value. No. The Ultimate U should have gone down in an epic fashion; not in flames with everybody cursing at Loeb (for writing), and Quesada (for allowing it to be published). Hell, I even proposed on another thread that Marvel should have used a photograph of Loeb instead of Magneto at the cover of Ultimatum. It would make more sense, since it is he, who is responsible for this mess. "

"@Vindellavon:Took some time to find it, I have to say...And the news are not exactly fresh - but the publishing date is supposedly July 29, and this (as I imagine you have already seen) will be the cover:

I am more sad about U Spider-man, rather than U X-Men, though. U X-Men had many ups & downs. U Spidey had Bendis on the top of his game for a long time; after he begun his involvement with the numerous crossovers and events of 616 continuity (Disassembled, HOM, Decimation, Civil War, Secret Invasion, and now, Dark Reign), the quality slipped a bit. But for late issues (post #100+),  I also blame Immonen for that. His art is far too cartoonish to even stand in the same sentence with Bagley's.

And another question: which were your favourite issues (or story arcs) from U Spidey & U X-Men? Have you also read Millar's and Hitch's Ultimates vol.1 & 2?
"

"@Vindellavon:

1) I agree; these three are far too overused, Ultimate Continuity, or not.
2) Ultimate Spider-man is always going to be on the top of the most recent comic book runs that I've read. I have to add though, that I doubt if Spider-man is truly dead. The U Spidey comic is the only one to get a vol.2, after all. Also as a comic incident, I would like to mention the last issue, which included no dialogue; it was obviously done for tragic effect, but I can't stop thinking it was Bendis' reaction to Loeb's atrocities.

Quesada: You got ready the script for U Spider-man 133, I heard, Brian.
Bendis: ...Ehh, yes.
Quesada: What is this nonsense I hear from Immonen? No dialogue?
Bendis: Yes, why not? Everything has gone to hell, after all. No need to exert ourselves...
Quesada: ...You got a point there...But why no dialogue?
Bendis: What did you think?  Is Loeb going to be the only one to do his sh!t and get away with it around here?

3) Ultimates vol. 1 & 2 were amazing, and the opening issue of volume 1 should probably be the guide for a possible Captain America film.
4) I really loved Gwen; this is a point that I dislike about U Spider-man. She was such a well developed and interesting character. And she died in such horrible a fashion...I truly believe that Peter's guilt and pain should have been expanded a lot more than they did...Gwen could have truly been something like Bruce Wayne's parents to him...A haunting memory, a shadow over every happiness - a failure that can never be righted...As for bringing her back...What is the point of killing her, and causing so much drama, only to bring her back 5 storylines later. Either kill her, and leave her dead forever, or let the girl live, for God's sake...

As for my favourite moments, U Spider-man 13, when Peter reveals his secret to MJ was, from my point of view, one of the best single comic book stories I've read in general. Great writing, and true exchanges between characters that made you care for them. Also, unfortunately, I can't recall the number of the issue, but the stoy goes like this: Peter is at school, when he hears that the Rhino is causing havoc downtown...He tries to slip away, but a series of misfortunes doesn't allow him to change to Spider-man and go...When he does, he only goes downtown to find Iron Man being praised by the public for defeating Rhino! Great issue."

"@Vindellavon:Problem is, Loeb himself is delusional. When interviewed, he refers to " the success, and the positive response he receives from fans  for Ultimatum".How can you talk to a guy like this? How can you talk to a guy who has Rulk punching Skyfathers, Watchers, twisting his neck, and killing the Silver Surfer, burning Baron Mordo & Dr Strange, decapitating Terrax, impaling the Hulk etc. only to be stopped by Galactus himself; ah, and most of these happened in the same issue...The man is truly lost. As for the publishers being drunk - I laughed when I read it, but it isn't that far away from the truth. But, what can we do? Let's hope Bendis will find his form for vol. 2. And obviously that Spidey is alive. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Vindellavon:Problem is, Loeb himself is delusional. When interviewed, he refers to " the success, and the positive response he receives from fans  for Ultimatum".How can you talk to a guy like this? How can you talk to a guy who has Rulk punching Skyfathers, Watchers, twisting his neck, and killing the Silver Surfer, burning Baron Mordo & Dr Strange, decapitating Terrax, impaling the Hulk etc. only to be stopped by Galactus himself; ah, and most of these happened in the same issue...The man is truly lost. As for the publishers being drunk - I laughed when I read it, but it isn't that far away from the truth. But, what can we do? Let's hope Bendis will find his form for vol. 2. And obviously that Spidey is alive. "

Spidey better be alive, if Loeb wants to redeem himself that is. If not, then you can officially say that U Spidey is screwed. Even if he does make it, what will be the outcome of his injuries? Such a waste of good characters, and yes, I do remember the Galactus throw in at the end. That was horrible, hated it, even after all that destruction. My final verdict will be issued the second I finish reading Ultimate X-Men: Requiem. If there's any hope left, it's this very last issue. "

" @Morpheus_:  No, no multiple accounts. I spent most of my time on Livejournal, and I am quite new around here still. I'll always be Vindella. "

Spider-Man isn't dead (my opinion)

Unless they're planning on scrapping the Ultimate Universe entirely, which they insist they're not, then Peter isn't "dead".  It's just more cheap sensationalism and cynical manipulation of fan emotion, just like every other thing that's happened in the monstrosity of Ultimatum.  Unfortunately, I can't think of a way that this could be salvaged that isn't exceptionally lame.  What a sad fate for a book that was the crown jewel of the fresh, crisp and brilliant Ultimate line.

Oh, and am I the only one who isn't cheering the return of Bagley?  If this really is the end of Ultimate Spidey than the return works as nostalgia and all that, but overall I find his art tedious, one-dimensional and redundant, with the same wide-eyed character model being used to death.  On the other hand, he did do action scenes extremely well.  Overall I prefer Immonen though.

"@Vindellavon said:

" @Morpheus_:  No, no multiple accounts. I spent most of my time on Livejournal, and I am quite new around here still. I'll always be Vindella. "

I see. Nice talking to you then."