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@blacksuit said:

CBR just released this

The Worst Events in Comic Book History

Guess what Spider-Man event was choose as the worst of all?

If you said the Clone Saga or One More Day you guessed wrong.

I just imagine the reaction Slott would have when he sees it.

THE WORST EVENTS IN COMIC BOOK HISTORY

http://www.cbr.com/worst-events-in-comic-book-history/

It seems that comic publishers are setting up their entire year around one event or another these days. Big events tend to shape an entire line of books, sometimes over the course of 18 or more months, and that means a lot of time and money is being spent on writing and drawing these stories so that everything weaves together nicely.

RELATED:The 15 Worst Things Superman Has Ever Done

Events make sense from a business perspective because a collector would need to purchase books from outside their normal reads in order to get the whole story, but when the publisher comes up with a story that essentially sucks, the fans and the bottom line suffer. There are certainly a lot of them to choose from, but these are our favorite picks for the absolute worst events in comic history.

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ONE MORE DAY

Remember that time when Peter decided the best thing for him to do so he could support his man-crush, Tony Stark, was to come out on live television and tell the world that he was *gasp* Spider-Man? He then moved into Avengers mansion with M.J. and Aunt May, and things were looking on the up and up for the ol’ web-head. That is, until he decided what he was doing was wrong and turned against Tony.

When the dust settled on “Civil War,” a sniper with poor eyesight took a shot at him and instead hit Aunt May! In “One More Day,” in order to save his Aunt May’s life, Peter Parker decided to make a deal with Mephisto (you know, the Devil) to bring her back. One catch, though: his marriage to M.J. became a ‘never was’ and the world wouldn’t know he was Spider-Man anymore. As events go, this one was pretty lame. Marvel clearly wanted things to go back to how they used to be decades ago and this was the tool they used to get it done. Fans didn’t appreciate the “it never happened” way that Marvel got Spider-Man back to being a bachelor and the books suffered as a result.

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14. SECRET WARS II

When Marvel’s crossover event “Secret Wars” hit the newsstands back in 1984, it was a huge success. Readers got to see the heroes and villains of Earth transported to Battleworld to face off in an ultimate battle between good and evil. Behind the whole thing was an entity called The Beyonder, a being of infinite power. It was a character-rich storyline written by Jim Shooter with great art by Mike Zeck.

“Secret Wars II” came out the following year and it featured The Beyonder, who decided to come to Earth to learn what it means to be human. The story was poorly executed and kind of unimpressive. “Blah” is a good word describing it. Though it was written by Shooter, whose stories usually draw the reader in, this one never really resonated. Even calling it “Secret Wars II” didn’t make a lot of sense; it was clearly titled that way just to capitalize on the first event’s success. It may have fared better had it been titled “Beyonder” instead of implying a connection beyond that character, but that’s not what they decided to do and we ended up with a less-than-impressive crossover.

13. INFINITE CRISIS

“Infinite Crisis” was something of a mess that never really panned out for DC the way that “Crisis on Infinite Earths” did. “Infinite Crisis” was the third in a series of four ‘Crises’ events (the second being “Zero Hour: Crisis In Time”) that ended with “Final Crisis” in 2008, but unlike its predecessor and successor, it just didn’t add up. Following the events of “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” this new crossover story decided to bring back the DC multiverse and even goes so far as to kill off some major characters. Of course, they had to introduce some new ones as well. They re-introduced Superboy-Prime, a whiny narcissist and the Superboy who lived in “our” universe (his powers only manifested during the first “Crisis,” which is why we’ve never seen him in real life) who became a villain, having killed off several major characters from the Titans (he knocks off Pantha’s head with a single punch and beats Superboy to death) and maiming several others.

This is one of those events that could have played out very well, but it continued to miss the mark at each and every turn. It was unnecessarily violent and much of it seemed unnecessary. It did provide an excuse for the J.L.A. to reform the following year, but beyond that, it failed to deliver on its predecessor’s success.

12. SECRET INVASION

After the Skrull homeworld is destroyed and a new regime picked up the pieces, the species feels it’s time to invade the Earth and that the best way to do so is to replace Earth’s mightiest superheroes with Skrull secret agents. Since these guys can shape-shift into whoever they like, it becomes an issue of “Who can you trust” in this crossover event that fell flat on its face. The level of hype for “Secret Invasion” was pretty intense among fans, which only made it crash and burn when it finally came time to read it.

The pacing was way too slow and when the action finally ramped up, the payoff was barely there. The tagline that led everyone to believe some heroes might come back from the dead or prove to be Skrulls was practically a bait and switch since hardly anyone impressive was actually a Skrull. The final outcome of this event was not only weird, but also unbelievable as well: Norman Osborne gets put in charge of worldwide security. Yeah. The Green freakin’ Goblin. This event failed to deliver in so many ways, making it an absolute must for a list like this.

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MAXIMUM CARNAGE

Maximum Carnage” was the event that allowed for the writers to knock out some tired tropes on their way to the “Clone Saga,” which hit the following year. First, they made Venom and Spider-Man team up to stop a mutual threat (and having rivals team up is such a tired cliche in superhero writing), but it really didn’t explore the characters beyond their surfaces. Second, they wanted to preach a moral lesson throughout the books: should we kill this psycho to save countless lives or keep the high ground and lock him up even though he will probably get out and kill again? If you are thinking to yourself that sounds familiar, you must have read a “Batman” comic at least once in your life! Not only is this the basic struggle between Batman and the Joker, it’s just sloppy writing that was reiterated over and over again in all the issues pertaining to this event.

We are left with a series that had a two-dimensional enemy, a tired moral lesson, and a crossover that went on for too long. Some fans may disagree, but “Maximum Carnage” was just another miss for Spider-Man fans.

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CIVIL WAR II

The first “Civil War” crossover was all about registering superhumans and imprisoning those who refused. The lines were drawn and battles were fought. It was good and it even addressed topical events happening at the time of publication. “Civil War II” was little more than Marvel’s attempt to capitalize on something that worked once (its heroes dividing up into two camps and fighting each other), so they sprinkled a little change on their formula and went ahead with it.

In “Civil War II,” the heroes are again divided over a fundamental issue, only this time, it’s over whether or not they should intervene and stop crimes before they happen. Thanks to a new Inhuman on the scene, they can now do just that… but should they? It’s basically “Minority Report” played out with superheroes instead of cops. Should we stop future crimes and arrest people who never committed them or let them happen and punish the guilty? The event was hardly necessary, nobody wanted it, and it just weakened what came before.

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9. THE AMALGAM UNIVERSE

The comics published under the imprint, Amalgam Comics, weren’t so much a crossover event as they were a ploy to make money off a gimmick. Ok, that may be what most of these events were, but this one takes the cake. DC and Marvel decided to work together by producing 12 one-shot issues each of their characters in a single universe. The catch? Well, they had to merge their superheroes into one. For example, Doctors Strange and Fate became Dr. Strangefate while Wonder Woman and Storm merged into Amazon. Can you guess who Doctor Doom merged with to become Doctor Doomsday? You get the idea.

The idea was that the two universes were entities called The Brothers who merged into one, which is why the characters of each universe became conjoined. It didn’t make a lot of sense and it just didn’t work. Amalgam books weren’t well received by fans. While it’s sometimes fun to see who would win a fight between this Marvel Avenger and that DC Justice Leaguer, combining the two into a single person was never really on anyone’s minds before Marvel and DC created this monstrosity.

8. CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN

The only thing that could finally end the Civil War was the death of Captain America. He served the United States well in his decades-long battle against evil, so they offed him to make a point. Of course, comic book characters are pretty much immortal so long as anyone is willing to pay for a new book, so Marvel had to bring him back. Nobody was surprised that they decided to do this, but their execution was just bad.

The whole storyline was a convoluted mess, but the bottom line up front is that Steve Rogers became unstuck in time. If you’ve ever read “Slaughterhouse Five,” you know what that means. He jumps back and forth reliving past experiences. This was a result of the gun used to kill him. It had tachyon particles in them that somehow put him out of sync with reality. Meanwhile, it turns out that the Red Skull’s consciousness has taken over Rogers’ body, so the two battle it out until Rogers can regain control.

7. DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS

Sure, it sounds fun to see Superman and Thor in the same comics, but does it really work in the end? No. No, it does not. Unlike the Amalgam comics mentioned earlier, DC and Marvel have attempted to knock out a few crossovers over the years and every one of them has been forgettable. When it comes to the crossovers, there was one that could begrudgingly be described as the best: “DC Versus Marvel Comics.” It wasn’t great by any measure, but we did get to see a lot of “Who would win in a fight” arguments play out in the pages of comics instead of chat rooms all over the Internet.

The biggest problem with this had to be the outcome of certain fights. You can’t put Quicksilver up against the Flash. There is no contest between the two and anyone who knows comics would bet on the Flash every time. That wasn’t the worst, though. That honor goes to Lobo vs. Wolverine. They gave Wolverine the win, which makes no sense, and they did it off-panel, which just made fans mad. There was no logic to any of this and it was nothing short of a failure. Though to be fair, the outcomes were decided on votes from the readers (the storyline of this event also led to the Amalgam comics).

6. FLASHPOINT

On the one hand, it’s hard to blame Barry Allen for wanting to change the past so that his mother was never murdered. On the other hand, he really screwed things up in a big way. The DC Universe is confusing enough without a Flash running through time and mucking things up, but that’s exactly what Allen did, and the fallout didn’t just result in a lot of changes, it also got us a pretty crummy event. “Flashpoint” spanned 68 issues, making it a fairly long event, not to mention an expensive one for the readers and for the history of the DC universe.

The storyline may have been confusing to some folks, but the reason Flashpoint was such a bad event for comics is that it led to another event of sorts, DC’s “The New 52.” The entire DC universe got a shakeup (again) and fans either loved it or hated it. DC canceled all of their titles and relaunched 52 of them. This brought about the “Convergence” event, which then resulted in “Rebirth.” “Rebirth,” as the name suggests, returned much of the D.N.A. of the DC Universe to its pre-Flashpoint form. “Flashpoint” essentially set off a five-year alteration and then return in DC titles, which is why it has landed here on this list.

5. ULTIMATUM

When it first debuted in 2000 with “Ultimate Spider-Man” #1, written by Brian Michael Bendis and penciled by Mark Bagley, the Ultimate universe was off to a pretty good start. Reception for the book was great and Marvel started bringing in new fans for their reimagined classic characters. So, what could go wrong and destroy the entire lineup of Ultimate books, forever dooming the original Ultimate universe? If you guessed the “Ultimatum” event, well… you’ve been reading this list.

The first thing they did was kill off a bunch of your favorite characters off-panel. This, along with the Blob eating the Wasp, Magneto killing Professor X and Wolverine losing the adamantium from his bones didn’t help to entertain the audience. This all comes about because Magneto wants to destroy the planet due to the deaths of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, only Quicksilver wasn’t dead, but it hardly matters. The event was so bad that they eventually ended up having to relaunch the entire Ultimate universe—not unlike what happened post-Flashpoint for DC.

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THE CLONE SAGA

You may have noticed a few mentions of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man on this list and there’s a pretty good reason why. Throughout the ’80s and ’90s, Marvel kept introducing weird new Spider-Men throughout their books, so much so that they had to deal with them all at once. The result was the horrific “Clone Saga.” This event lasted for two years and jumped back and forth between the many Spidey books Marvel was putting out at the time, so anyone who jumped in at random really had no clue what was going on.

What really made fans mad was the introduction of the Scarlet Spider who, as it turned out, was the real Peter Parker all along, while the Spidey we all knew and loved had been a clone these past 20 years! That’s 20 years of publication, not in-comic-universe time. The crux of this event was a distortion of the “Evil Twin” trope from your favorite daytime television series and fans hated it, especially since it was later revealed that – actually – Peter was the real Peter Parker after all!

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SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN

When it comes to an impressive rogues gallery, Spider-Man’s usually tops the list. One of his oldest and best was Doctor Octopus, who in this storyline found a way to switch out his mind with that of his nemesis’, Spider-Man! Basically, it goes down like this: The Doc is dying, he switches his mind with that of Peter’s, Doc’s body kicks the bucket (taking Peter’s soul/mind with it) and Peter Parker is dead. Only one problem: Doc Oc didn’t anticipate finally understanding why Peter was who he was and what he fought for, so he decides to take up the mantle so-to-speak and become the Superior Spider-Man!

The event spread over more than 30 issues and took Spider-Man into some strange territory. He goes back to school to get his doctorate since Otto can’t abide being anything but a PhD. holder, he blackmails Mayor Jameson into letting him advance security over the city, installs thousands of drone spiders to help in this goal and he establishes an island fortress. Eventually, Peter gets the upper hand and reasserts his consciousness, but by the end of the event, readers were left pretty much just asking one question: “why?”

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2. DEATH OF SUPERMAN

When it comes to compelling stories interweaving through a multitude of books, this one didn’t exactly fail to disappoint. The problem that arose with the “Death of Superman” event had to do entirely with its marketing, which was incredibly successful. People flocked to buy copies of “Superman” #75, written and penciled by Dan Jurgens, which came in multiple formats – bagged, bagged all in black and more. People who weren’t even collectors went out and bought multiple copies of this thing, thinking it would shoot up in value. Of course, it didn’t because they printed millions of them, after all.

The “Death of Superman” event had a negative effect on the comic book industry similar to what happened to video games in the early ‘80s. People got tired of all the gimmicks and extras you had to buy if you wanted to collect them all. Kids’ allowances wouldn’t cover the costs and people began spending their money on other things. It took a long time for the market to recover from this event and, in the end, it was really nothing more than a moneymaking gimmick and publicity stunt since, as we all know, Supes isn’t permanently pushing up daisies and probably never will.

1. ONSLAUGHT

The idea for “Onslaught” was certainly interesting: take Professor Xavier, the most powerful psychic in the universe, and make him go insane after his and Magneto’s psyches are merged! He transforms into a giant, armored monstrosity called Onslaught who then goes out and conquers Manhattan. Towards the end, Onslaught had become so powerful, he became a being of pure psionic energy. Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, the only way to finally end his rampage was to send the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk and Doctor Doom into his energy to absorb it, where the X-Men would then use their powers to kill them. That’s right, they killed pretty much every Marvel hero who wasn’t an X-Man (except of course they didn’t really; Franklin Richards shot them into a pocket universe).

When it comes to crummy events leading to other crummy events, “Onslaught” takes the cake. What followed was a cancellation of “Iron Man,” “Fantastic Four” and “Captain America” just so they could all fall under “Heroes Reborn,” which was put out by Marvel’s former competitors, Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld, who had returned from working at Image. Readers hated this event and would like to forget it ever happened.

Which comic book event was your least favorite? Be sure to tell us in the comments.

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@blacksuit said:

CBR just released this

The Worst Events in Comic Book History

Guess what Spider-Man event was choose as the worst of all?

If you said the Clone Saga or One More Day you guessed wrong.

I just imagine the reaction Slott would have when he sees it.

HAHAHAHA! Wow...though look at all those Marvel Events plastered on there. Ton were spidey as well. Apparently, there are pretty much 10 Marvel events on that list out of a chart of 15. 2 were DC Marvel mergers with only 3 labeled bad DC events.

...this is not only something Slott could get mad at. It's pretty much telling that Marvel is awful when it comes to events.

A friend put it best for me "DC has an event and it fixes things. Marvel has an event and it makes things worse!"

Yeah, Spider-Man Needs To Do Great In Events And Most Of Them Are Terrible. The Only Good Events From Spider-Man Currently Are Spider-Island, Goblin Nation, Ends Of The Earth, And Honestly Spider-Verse Being The Better Of The Recent Events Post Secret Wars Despite It Being A More Fan Ficish Event. Spider-Man Needs To Have Some Better Story Arcs And A Couple Other Better Events. As For Marvel, The Last Great Event They Had Was Secret Wars(2015) . Hopefully Monsters Unleashed And Secret Empire Would Be Great Events For Marvel. Well Those And Possibly Something X-Men Related And Another Event Seeming To Be Cosmic Related Involving Thanos. Marvel Has Made Some Good And Great Events In The Past But Currently They've Been Stuck In The @#$% With Meh To Okay To Bad To Terrible To A Repeat Of The Same Of Heroes VS Heroes Events. Hopefully IvX Will Be The Last Heroes VS Heroes Event Put Out From Them And Hopefully Secret Empire Would Be The Great Event Marvel Puts Out. And Then After Early 2018, No More Events From Them.........EVER!!!!!!!!! After Their Possible Merge/Rebirth No More Events From Them Nor Ones Involving The Heroes Fighting Eachother. Just Focus On Great And Classic Stories Bringing Back Old And Original Characters And Just Focus On Creating Some New, Creative, And Original Stories With Interesting Characters. (Also, Please Restore Bobby's Original Sexual Orientation . What You Guys Did Was Completely Asinine TBH)

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@itsaworld: Agreed. I was really, really disappointed by Mockingbird. I got her book because her appearance in ASM got me interested, and I wanted the book to succeed. But then I read it... I wanted to read about Bobbie in some kick-ass SHIELD missions instead feminism was forced down our throats. :/ But nevermind that, even without the agenda, the book plot itself was still weak af IMO.

But yeah, let's agree that the harassment was beyond ridiculous and I don't even need to explain why. Seriously, don't these people have nothing better to do? Forgive my wording, but that's just plain stupid.

Apologies for the little rant. :p LOL

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@animehunter: I feel the need to point out that Secret Empure is bringing this into play, and the line most people seeing as Marvel finally 'getting it' about the events and hero vs hero junk was Captain Hydra.

Makes me kinda wonder what the opinion of Marvel writers is of their readers if the in universe agreement of their opinions is coming from that angle.

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#22209  Edited By ZariusII

@animehunter Wow, CBR certaingly aren't under Marvel's thumb anymore are they? OMD you kind of expect there, but to see Superior (which was probably one of the biggest succcess stories of the post-OMD era regardless of what we feel about it as a story) hammered is something else entirely.

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#22210  Edited By BlackSuit

@itsaworld: Agreed. I was really, really disappointed by Mockingbird. I got her book because her appearance in ASM got me interested, and I wanted the book to succeed. But then I read it... I wanted to read about Bobbie in some kick-ass SHIELD missions instead feminism was forced down our throats. :/ But nevermind that, even without the agenda, the book plot itself was still weak af IMO.

But yeah, let's agree that the harassment was beyond ridiculous and I don't even need to explain why. Seriously, don't these people have nothing better to do? Forgive my wording, but that's just plain stupid.

Apologies for the little rant. :p LOL

The same here. Any type of harassment and personal attacks is bad and can't be allowed. However, we can analyse Chelsea's work objectively and my impression is very similar to yours. The Mockingbird comic book is not a well written book. It started kind well, creating some intriguing things and was fairly entertaining, the art was quite good as well. However, the quality declined, the author just shoehorned some political preaching where it didn't belong and put some scientific stuff in a very pretentious way.

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#22211  Edited By The_Waffle

A lot of Spider-Man on that worst events list and they all deserved to be on it, this is why Batman is respected more lol

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Dark Knight, Extremity And Walking Dead Top Advance Reorders

Greetings from the coal face of the direct comics market. Where retailers try to increase their orders of certain comics ahead of sale. Where supply and demand and most accurately reflected, where you can see which books are hot, where new orders are coming in and how retailers are reacting to new, unanticipated desire! And courtesy of stats from Diamond Comic Distributors.

The new Walking Dead collection is getting everyone excited, and the 25 cent issue has bumped up demand for the ongoing series as well it seems. Dark Knight III still continued to outperform and put on sales and the launch of Extremity by Daniel Warren Johnson from Image Comics looks like it’s part of a new Image launch resurgence going on. Star Wars still manages to surprise and there’s pretty good word about the launch of America from Marvel as well…

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Logan looks like he is tired of someone's sh*t, and if the other spoiler panels are anything to go by, probably MJ is telling him off.

MJ: Your not taking Annie

Peter: Wha?! I thought you wanted Annie to develop her powers.

MJ: yeah, I do, but with you! Someone that actually knows what she is going through and understands how to help her grow her powers...

Logan: ....you do know our school specializes in that right? Your husband fought with the x-men for over a decade and you are telling me you have no clue what we do?

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Logan looks like he is tired of someone's sh*t, and if the other spoiler panels are anything to go by, probably MJ is telling him off.

MJ: Your not taking Annie

Peter: Wha?! I thought you wanted Annie to develop her powers.

MJ: yeah, I do, but with you! Someone that actually knows what she is going through and understands how to help her grow her powers...

Logan: ....you do know our school specializes in that right? Your husband fought with the x-men for over a decade and you are telling me you have no clue what we do?

He actually looks like he's about to sneeze.

Logan: ah, ah, achoo!

Annie: UGH mutant snot

MJ: ANNIE! Careful! You touch that and you might grow some claws and hair in places you don't want!

Peter: .... (Is that possible?)

Logan: Very funny red! At least its better than turning into a man-spider.

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@animehunter: I really don't agree with that list. Flashpoint, Death of Superman, and Superior were all enjoyable (and I'd say Flashpoint was legitimately good). Maximum Carnage was far from bad too. Considering shitshows like Age of Ultron weren't even mentioned, that was definitely quite biased.

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@animehunter: I really don't agree with that list. Flashpoint, Death of Superman, and Superior were all enjoyable (and I'd say Flashpoint was legitimately good). Maximum Carnage was far from bad too. Considering shitshows like Age of Ultron weren't even mentioned, that was definitely quite biased.

Well they did state there were reasons they put flashpoint on the list but I can't really defend it. I technically only watched the DC Cartoon film of it, which are known to be better at showcasing some of their ideas and material used in the comics. Thus it removed most of the bad stuff from it but I got the main premise and some of the big moments.

I don't really understand but is it like...they said that Flashpoint started the new 52???? So that's why it's on the list? Cause it started this?

I think most of us are shocked OMD is on the bottom. Like yeah clone saga destroyed readers but nothing compared to OMD.

Didn't care for superior as it was creepy and made me feel even more gipped about Peter Parker. Also there were alotta plotholes about how no one knew Otto was Peter Parker. Like if they made it shorter, it may of been known as a better story...kinda like clone saga. Like short but sweet. Maybe that's what they want

I dunno though. Maybe they are using a chart to decide how bad a comic is. Linkara did that for his top 10 worst comics. OMD was labeled like #4 and he said it's not higher up because you could understand what was going on, while the last 3 were too confusing and had far worse art at points.

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Stillanerd Reviews: Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows (2016) #4

So is the conclusion of Renew Your Vows' first story arc a bit rushed, and heavy on the "kids are smarter than grown-ups" themes. Sure, but this is still a very enjoyable issue, and great start to a Spider-Man series more people should be reading. And again, what else can one say about how great Ryan Stegman's art?

http://whateveraspidercan.com/2017/02/09/stillanerd-reviews-amazing-spider-man-renew-your-vows-2016-4/

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@animehunter: I didn't realize how much I missed Logan. Hopefully he and Cyclops will be portrayed well, none of that "mutant Hitler" nonsense. LOL

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@animehunter: I didn't realize how much I missed Logan. Hopefully he and Cyclops will be portrayed well, none of that "mutant Hitler" nonsense. LOL

Yeah, That Was The @#$%tiest Thing That I've Ever Heard For The Character. It Was More Disgusting That Amadeus Cho And Young Bobby Called Him Out On It. I Really Cannot Wait For The Inhumans To Go Back To The Moon And The X-Men To Get More Focus Again.

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Found some interesting scans. Kinda related to RYV next arc. :p (Edit: The pics are in inverted order, idk why.)

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Stillanerd Reviews: Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows (2016) #4

Stillanerd’s Score:

4 out of 5

For those of you who’ve been following and enjoying Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows, you may have experienced a sense of deja vu. Though not because this series features Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson as a married couple, or that the series relies on classic Spider-Man tropes, or that there’s a kind of 1990s aesthetic about this alternate Marvel Universe. It’s because these last three issues have repeated themselves. They flash back, go over the same scene from an earlier issue, even using the same dialogue, albeit from a different point-of-view, and then show what happens next…barely. Even though Renew Your Vows built up the Spider-Family as characters, the story itself felt like it kept getting stuck in a loop instead of moving forward.

Thank goodness Gerry Conway rectifies this with Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows #4, and the conclusion of “Brawl in the Family.” A conclusion which even the solicit for this issue all but admits was added on because it just got “too big.” And as a resolutions, it does exactly what you’d expect from a first arc of a new ongoing series, which is wrap-up the main plot as succinctly as possible, and build upon recurring subplots in setting the stage for future stories. Which also means that, as Renew Your Vows‘ first major villain, the Mole Man is nothing more than cannon fodder (and, the case of the Moloids, they were literal cannon fodder). It’s not even much of a fight, which, honestly, makes for a rather anticlimactic ending.

Then again, it becomes clear that Conway used the Mole Man and this would-be conqueror of the surface world’s unhinged ramblings as a plot device to highlight this story’s real conflict: Spider-Man accepting his wife, and especially his daughter, as his crime-fighting partners. As good as this series is, it initially feels so out-of-character for someone as hung-up on responsibility and guilt like Peter Parker being at all okay with Mary Jane and Annie following in his footsteps. To Conway’s credit, he finally starts addressing those very points with this issue.Through an argument between Peter and MJ after a near-disastrous fall into boiling lava, it’s suggested part of the reason lies with Peter wanting to teach Annie how to use and control her powers under his supervision. Let’s remember Peter began his superhero career when he, too, was just a kid, and without anyone else mentoring him. Since Annie clearly wishes to follow in her father’s footsteps, what Peter’s doing for her is what he wishes someone had done for him. It’s not perfect, and doesn’t entirely excuse the fact Spider-Man is still endangering his own child, but at least Conway gets an “A” for effort.

It’s also implied this was definitely more Mary Jane’s idea than it was Peter’s, as she throws the notion of “Only Peter Parker is allowed to risk his life” right back in her husband’s face. Her added sarcasm over how she and Annie should “stay home” is also a clear, in-story rebuttal towards readers against the idea of MJ being a superhero. Remember, one the common complaints leveled against the Spider-marriage is that made the strong-willed, happy-go-lucky redhead too passive and dour. How many times during their marriage did comic book readers see MJ undergoing what amounted to “cop’s wife syndrome,” and do nothing but wait and worry by a window for Peter to come back from a night of web-slinging? While her becoming a superhero is definitely taking it to the opposite extreme, it at least it does allows MJ taking a more active role in Peter’s life and in the comic as a whole. Considering how it’s established her becoming Spinneret is a recent development in this comic’s universe, and that, like her 616 counterpart, MJ also must’ve continuously waited for Peter to come home alive–and did so for at least the last ten years–it also puts her and Peter’s fight over Annie in a new perspective which, strangely enough, does feel true to who she is.

But Conway also makes it clear that Peter and Mary Jane do both love each other in spite of their disagreements, and only want what’s best for their daughter. Hence why he also wisely turns their verbal marital spat into a source for comedy, in particular Annie tuning out everything her parents say except her own name. Furthermore in a moment of typical “kids are smarter than grown-ups” wish-fulfillment fantasy, Annie takes the initiative in stopping the Mole Man when her mom and dad “refuse to listen” to her. Which, of course, also makes Peter and MJ so proud of Annie even as they want to “strangle her,” resulting her being instrumental in saving the day, and getting a “welcome to the team” speech from her dear old Spider-Dad. Is it unrealistic and a bit clichéd? Sure, but because the interactions between the members of the Parker family are as funny as they are endearing, it’s easy to give this a pass. It also shows how decent characterization can trump plot, as Conway has Peter, MJ, and Annie’s distinctive voices and personalities down to a science.

And while we’re on the subject of banter between fictional characters, another great instance of this occurs between J. Jonah Jameson and Betty Brant, who’s still the Lois Lane-esque investigative reporter for The Daily Bugle in this universe as she is in the mainstream one. It’s simply flabbergasting, and more than a little sad, once you realize Jonah and Betty, given their long-standing, mutual, almost familial history, haven’t so much as said a single word to each other in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man in several years.It’s a sobering reminder that not only did the main comics lose out on Peter and Mary Jane’s romance, it’s also lost out in having interesting side-stories with Spider-Man’s equally interesting, diverse, fully developed cast of supporting characters.

Which lead me to the escalating potential match-up between the Spider-Family and this series’ real antagonist, “creepy” Normie Osborn. If you thought the Green Goblin’s grandson being smitten by Annie at first sight last issue was adorable, that quickly gets curtailed. Because his crush suddenly takes on a more sinister undercurrent, as he orders his personal assistant, Ms. January, to conduct a full investigation on “the girl in the Spider-costume.” Thus, ‘lil Normie is now stalker, with the full resources of a multi-million dollar company at his disposal, and, despite being a minor, not a single adult reprimanding him for fear of their job. If Annie represents the brighter side of the “kids are smarter than grown-ups” wish-fulfillment fantasies, then Normie definitely represents a darker version. There’s also the reappearance of something from the very first issue which seemed inconsequential that now could actually spell deep trouble not just for Peter’s secret identity but also his family’s. It’s similar to a plot development from Dan Slott’s “New Ways to Die,” but it’s a still such a clever and effective use of the Chekov’s Gun that I’m surprised other writers on Spider-Man haven’t used it more often.

It’s also becoming harder for me coming up with new adjectives to describe just how sublime Ryan Stegman’s art is in these issues.And with issue, in particular, Stegman turns in some the best sequential storytelling of the series to date. The panel arrangement in double-page spread of Peter and Mary Jane’s bungled rescue attempt of Annie over a lake of lava is creative as it functional, creating a perfect mixture of humor and suspense as the reader literally tracks their fall and rise across the page. The scene of Annie crawling through the underground tunnel to reach the Mole Man is just as clever, and, with her moving past a buried fossilized dinosaur, conveys a child-like whimsy, appropriately so given the scene revolves around a child. That being said, there are moments, especially towards the end of the comic, where Stegman’s illustrations appear over-rendered and sketchy. There was one panel, for example, where I had to look at it several times until I realized was seeing the back of the Mole Man’s head. But for the majority of this comic, Stegman’s art is still just as animated and rich in detail as it’s been since the beginning of the series. Taking these four issues of Renew Your Vows together, this is collectively some the best work of Stegman’s career, and some of the finest examples of comic book artistry in publication today.

Although this first story arc suffered from decompression, it’s also safe to say Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows is, so far, a resounding success.These four issues aren’t just a refuge for fans who wish for Peter and Mary Jane’s marriage to return. These four issues serve as a refreshing alternative to current Amazing Spider-Man, a reminder that the character’s signature tropes are just as timeless and relevant as ever, with a Marvel Universe that’s more optimistic and fun than what we’re currently seeing in many of Marvel’s mainstream titles. In tone and presentation, this is the kind of series more superhero comics should aspire towards, and, for those tired of reading nothing but one overblown crossover event-driven story and after another, should read. Funny how it takes a different version of Spider-Man to remind us what made him such a great and enduring superhero in the firstplace.

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Found some interesting scans. Kinda related to RYV next arc. :p (Edit: The pics are in inverted order, idk why.)

This is where I guess the editors decided to make the baby still born but MCU reveal it was a mutate that was kidnapped as previously planned. Since Conway hasn't given us a confirmation as to what has happened in the story leading to Regent, we can assume freely that this could be cannon in RYV.

This could also explain why the X-Men are visiting the Parkers, who I think in that scene are literally still wearing their costumes but without the masks.

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@ursaber: That's a great review! I've been a fan of the Crawlspace for years!

I probably would have given it a 7/10 because the decompression got too much for me, but I agreed with his points!

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WOW. So, despite my initial complaints, Gerry Conway and Ryan Stegman have made me fall in love with Spider-Man again.

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@ursaber: I know! He co-hosts on the crawlspace podcast and writes for their site, so I'm just saying that I know him from there!

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@ursaber: @animehunter:

Loved every bit of this review. It really did point out some of the best moments of the story such as the interactions between Betty and Jonah and letting me know that they haven't interacted alot within the 616 (Sad! ...cept ya know...that's what happens when you decide the only good supporting cast is a dead supporting cast)

Normie makes me question things. Is he good or is he evil...or is he just creepy. Either way, he is shaping up to be a great character!

From the review, I'm guessing this guy is also not too fond of present 616 spidey?....then again, i dunno many who likePeter single and a billionare hitting his 30s.

@bjparks said:

WOW. So, despite my initial complaints, Gerry Conway and Ryan Stegman have made me fall in love with Spider-Man again.

You had complaints?

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Also, just learned Douglas Ernst reviewed the latest RYV but PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF HOLY can we not put him up here?

I know alotta you guys like him but to me, he is one of the most pessimistic bitter comic nerds out here. We already know he will hunt down anything he thinks is SJW stuff in any comic. He apparently has gone on tyrades on Ms Marvel which is a good comic in my opinion. And he had issues with RYV earlier...aaaaaaaand he has nothing good to say on this one...

his title for the latest review is

Renew Your Vows #4: MJ plays feminism card so Peter will endanger child

Dude....chill.

He is like bizarro a SJW. Ya know how extremist SJW will hunt down anything sexist or horrible in a story? He does that but in the reverse. He is looking for SJ pandering when it's just nice storytelling.

If he is a member here, I am sorry...but you are so bitter Douggy Boy! You need to calm down!

As the stilanerd review states, it's honestly understandable why MJ barked like this. She doesn't want her daughter to be restricted in her abilities and nor does she want her husband dying when it's preventable with backup.

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Also, just learned Douglas Ernst reviewed the latest RYV but PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF HOLY can we not put him up here?

I know alotta you guys like him but to me, he is one of the most pessimistic bitter comic nerds out here. We already know he will hunt down anything he thinks is SJW stuff in any comic. He apparently has gone on tyrades on Ms Marvel which is a good comic in my opinion. And he had issues with RYV earlier...aaaaaaaand he has nothing good to say on this one...

his title for the latest review is

Renew Your Vows #4: MJ plays feminism card so Peter will endanger child

Dude....chill.

He is like bizarro a SJW. Ya know how extremist SJW will hunt down anything sexist or horrible in a story? He does that but in the reverse. He is looking for SJ pandering when it's just nice storytelling.

If he is a member here, I am sorry...but you are so bitter Douggy Boy! You need to calm down!

As the stilanerd review states, it's honestly understandable why MJ barked like this. She doesn't want her daughter to be restricted in her abilities and nor does she want her husband dying when it's preventable with backup.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for both Stillanerd's and Douglas Ernst reviews. Been following these guys for several years now. Sometimes they're both in agreement with their opinions, other times they're not. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't, it's cool. I don't believe in censorship, we all have the right to free speech and I definitely believe that opposing viewpoints creates a healthy discourse for all concerned.

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@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

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@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

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@ursaber said:
@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

I agree with that assessment. I side with him sometimes, sometimes I disagree. But I respect his opinion and will go to the ends of the earth to defend his right to say it. I'll admit I still kind of need to get used to the Spider-Family, but I'm getting into the groove. Ernst gets a little uber-political in his reviews sometimes, but I can understand when the situation calls for it (the Captain America reviews) but I tend to agree with his stance on comic book writers on social media. I'll also admit he can be a bit of a Debby Downer, but I'm like that too so maybe I'm just overlooking it.

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@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

  • LOL.........well he is a political journalist for The Washington Times after all, and also a long time reader of ASM. I guess like me we've all become quite cynical of Marvel Comics over the last ten years. We all want to read better stories. :P

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@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

  • I'm a bit the same, but I'll accept it because it is an alternate universe. I know I'm going against the grain here, because many folks would like RYV to merge into 616. I kinda in two minds about that.

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@ursaber said:
@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

I agree with that assessment. I side with him sometimes, sometimes I disagree. But I respect his opinion and will go to the ends of the earth to defend his right to say it. I'll admit I still kind of need to get used to the Spider-Family, but I'm getting into the groove. Ernst gets a little uber-political in his reviews sometimes, but I can understand when the situation calls for it (the Captain America reviews) but I tend to agree with his stance on comic book writers on social media. I'll also admit he can be a bit of a Debby Downer, but I'm like that too so maybe I'm just overlooking it.

  • I'm getting used to the whole Spider-Incredibles vibe too. :P

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@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

  • LOL.........well he is a political journalist for The Washington Times after all, and also a long time reader of ASM. I guess like me we've all become quite cynical of Marvel Comics over the last ten years. We all want to read better stories. :P
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@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

  • I'm a bit the same, but I'll accept it because it is an alternate universe. I know I'm going against the grain here, because many folks would like RYV to merge into 616. I kinda in two minds about that.
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@ursaber said:
@itsaworld said:

@magnetic_eye: Yeah true. I'm all for freedom of speech and he is allowed to have his own opinions but...I just feel this guy is such a downer on everything. I just think he needs to go lie down for a bit at times.

He's hit or miss with me. Like magnetic_eye, sometimes I agree wholeheartedly and sometimes I don't. He has merits in his observations but its clear he's just nitpicking the political sjw element. I can tell he's against the spider family dynamic even if he says he enjoys the books.

People like him and blackspidey take Spider Man's responsibility gene far too seriously and forget that these are just works of fiction meant to be enjoyed. Other characters have powered spouses and kid sidekicks. It isn't for everyone but Spider Man is a very generalized character who can integrate other themes such as the superhero family pretty well.

I agree with that assessment. I side with him sometimes, sometimes I disagree. But I respect his opinion and will go to the ends of the earth to defend his right to say it. I'll admit I still kind of need to get used to the Spider-Family, but I'm getting into the groove. Ernst gets a little uber-political in his reviews sometimes, but I can understand when the situation calls for it (the Captain America reviews) but I tend to agree with his stance on comic book writers on social media. I'll also admit he can be a bit of a Debby Downer, but I'm like that too so maybe I'm just overlooking it.

  • I'm getting used to the whole Spider-Incredibles vibe too. :P

OHHHHHHHHHH! I didn't know he was a political writer! Yeah, that'll do it! I think we all have become a tad bitter and cynical to these sorta things. I feel its more because some of our stuff lacks the artistic flair and is becoming more corporate suit like with a disconnection to it's viewership. Then again, I am an artist and can become heavily bitter with tampering into someone's creativity and art.

I would like this to become the main spider-man but yeah, I can see why people would be against this. It's not to everyone's liking but I hope this series slowly warms up to many. It has this element where things I don't like I warm up to and accept....kinda like how people should try and discuss politics. You don't need to shove it, try and warm us up to this.

Time will tell if this will become the wanted Spider-Man for many. People that wanted Peter to have a family seem pretty satisfied but some are questioning if we need a super family for the guy that was a solo act. I myself love it, as it's kinda a reward for Peter who has had to deal with so much junk in his life.

I didn't like the suits at first but they are slowly growing on me. One thing is that I really enjoy Annie's suit without the helmet. Maybe this is why Ryan draws her often in the suit without it, to help us get used to the image. MJ's suit up issue helped me enjoy her costume more which was fun. Still, its strange to see MJ fighting crime but it now makes sense

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Yeah, I Like Douglas Ernst. He's A Really Great Journalist And Has Some Really Great Points. But When It Concerns Things Like RYV And Ms. Marvel, The Guy Can Get A Bit Melodramatic. I Mean I Could Understand That Marvel Has Been Way To Political In Their Books Lately But Ms. Marvel Is A Really Great And Very Relatable Book That Makes Kamala Khan And Her Friends More Relatable And This Week's Issue Of RYV Just Made One Joke About Femenism Really Well As If It's Something Real Normal Rational People Say And Have Spouses Fighting Eachother For A Good Number Of Reasons. It Seems That All The Political Agendas He's Experienced From Marvel And People Have Really Stressed The Guy Out A Bit.

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Yeah, I Think Doug Is A Member Of The Vine Here As Well As He Mentioned To Me About His Involvement Here .

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#22241  Edited By BJParks

@ursaber: @animehunter:

Loved every bit of this review. It really did point out some of the best moments of the story such as the interactions between Betty and Jonah and letting me know that they haven't interacted alot within the 616 (Sad! ...cept ya know...that's what happens when you decide the only good supporting cast is a dead supporting cast)

Normie makes me question things. Is he good or is he evil...or is he just creepy. Either way, he is shaping up to be a great character!

From the review, I'm guessing this guy is also not too fond of present 616 spidey?....then again, i dunno many who likePeter single and a billionare hitting his 30s.

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WOW. So, despite my initial complaints, Gerry Conway and Ryan Stegman have made me fall in love with Spider-Man again.

You had complaints?

My post over on Looking back on Dan Slott's run, is it worth the investment?:

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@ursaber said:
@reignmaker said:

Reporting back! I went out and read the first three issues of the Renew Your Vows ongoing run. Here's my immediate impressions:

  • Simple, straightforward story - frankly nothing blew me away, but I'm looking forward to issue 4.
  • Definitely a more polished offering overall than the majority of the ASM run I read before. The art is awesome, though the eyes of certain characters look weird in some panels.
  • Totally onboard with the "superhero family" approach, though it does feel a bit like Marvel saying "me too" after seeing Superman and Batman acquire kids.
  • I know folks are excited about a return of "Classic Spider-Man" with this run, but honestly I'm not sure we've seen enough of him in these books to merit the enthusiasm. Seems like its driven from Slott burnout more than anything else.
  • Love seeing MJ kicking butt and taking names. The costume designs are legit.
  • I really hope Ryan Stegman is in this for the long haul. I did notice he's coming back for issue 6.
  • The potential here is sky-high. I enjoyed it enough to subscribe to the series.
  • Haven't yet read the RYV mini series, but I plan to circle back later after I catch up to Secret Wars in my Hickman reading

Thanks for the recommendation! Had no clue this book existed until yesterday.

Spider Man had kids first when Spider Girl launched. Besides, this particular Spider Family was created during the Secret Wars event, before DC Rebirth. It sold so well that Marvel decided to make it an ongoing series.

As for Classic Spider Man, the book is being written by classic and legendary Spider Man scribe Gerry Conway who understands the character and the institution that is Spider Man and his supporting cast. That alone merits enthusiasm as Conway does listen to the fans and gives them what they yearn for.

Ryan Stegman is the main artist for this series and he'll remain so for the foreseeable future. He'll just take a break in issue 5 return for issue 6 and onward.

The original mini series pandered to pre OMD Spider Man fans and marriage fans. Its certainly flawed but it was lighthearted and enjoyable nonetheless. One of Slott's better works.

The bolded I agree with. Gerry Conway writes a solid, responsible (and sometimes serious) Spider-Man. However, for me, Spider-Man's humor is an important part of his character. When I read Conway's work for the first time, I chuckle to myself, and sometimes laugh out loud. But, when I re-read it, it doesn't have the same funny flair as some other writers. Re-readability factor? Definitely. But I read it as having (the most important!) part of Spider-Man, his morality and responsibility, not necessarily a holistic portrayal.

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Annie better be retained (or Mayday recovered) if they merge the universes or do a Superman rebirth. I'm so excited to see the Parker family and the X-Men meet soon! Stillanerd makes a good point about Conway's character over plot writing he's the inverse of Slott and that's good Conway's 1970's character arcs remain unsurpassed in quality by later writers and that leaves him one of if not the most well equipped person to write RYV.

In other news Spider-Girl #100 came in the mail yesterday 8 more issues and I'll have all her adventures!

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I'm going to give it a try.

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I'm going to give it a try.

Hopefully This Will All Lead To A Rebirth Style Event.

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#22249  Edited By knightwriteri

@itsaworld: I've visited Ernst blog for about four yearsI agree with some of his positions but disagree with others most significanly we have opposite stances on superhuman registration. Thing is comics are so utterly dominated by liberalism that I have no issue with the Ernst and Avi's of the world especially given they are outnumbered 100 to one by the tumbler crowd the content their kind provide will be a lot less partisan and less negative when quality improves and the comics return to the near-moderate days of old.

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I'm guessing this will also reveal the image we saw of Miles killing Cap. Betcha it has something to do with Peter Parker and Miles slapping Steve silly for revenge.

At least I hope so. They had a nice buddy, student teacher dynamic I wish they would push moreso. Like do an ongoing Spider-Men comic. It'd sell

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