Peter Parker isn't special anymore

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#1 Posted by Green_Tea (10583 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously though, what is Marvel's obsession with bringing in more spider-heroes into 616?

First we have Silk who is creepy fan-service for Dan Slott whose sole purpose is to have sex with Peter Parker (women have come such a long way in comics, you can thank Slott :) oh and she was bitten by the same spider as Peter *eyes rolling*

Then we have Spider-Gwen, whose sole reason for getting a book and downright popular is......because of her costume. YAWN, c'mon marvel

Now we have Miles Morales who's been drafted into 616, now aside Bendis filling him with PIS (Blackheart fight), i like his character, but he really does belong in the ultimate universe, the whole point of him being Spider-Man was that he was replacing Peter Parker of that universe who was thought to be dead, now that he's in the same earth as 616 Peter....now what? Oh and he's more powerful than Peter, that should not be allowed, as a matter of fact, aside from Kaine, NO OTHER spider hero should be more powerful than Pete, that's like saying Damian Wayne can beat his dad in h2h

If it were up to me, i would kill off Silk who has no purpose at all, and yes i would get rid of Spider-Gwen.

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#2 Posted by MarvelMan92 (5291 posts) - - Show Bio

No to Silk because she is an original Spider-character who is actually doing alot better with other writers that are not under Slott. while her origin is really convuluted and her purpose of being a replacement of Mary Jane and Felicia Hardy is at first asinine her adventures and further character analyses isn't.

Spider-Gwen wasn't popular because of her costume but because it was Gwen under the Spider costume. it was more of an emotional and ironic what if story with a new origin and some fresh new take on the characters.

Miles, yeah he has been a bit of a troublemaker. while his character is fine and the idea of an African American character taking on the mantle of a well known hero is actually brilliant and honestly quite an honor, his status as a character is quite troublesome and he has proven to be quite overpowered when it comes to his cheap invisibility and his constant venom blasts.

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#3 Posted by ursaber (10363 posts) - - Show Bio

1- Peter should be the undisputed Spider Man and the most powerful.

2- Silk may have been introduced at first to replace MJ and Felicia, but we haven't seen her around Pete lately. Plus she's got her own comic.

3- Spider Gwen well... I couldn't care less about.

4- Miles is the only one worthwhile (with his OP aside).

We should have a Spider Battle Royale where Peter shows the rest of the Spiders who's boss. Then after Peter defeats them, BOOM, Ultimate Peter Parker is revealed to have survived Secret Wars and the battle between the two supreme Peter Parkers begins.

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#4 Posted by Yassassin (7703 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, what hero is anymore.

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#5 Posted by slimj87d (15680 posts) - - Show Bio

At least Silk is Asian American and offers a little diversity?

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#6 Posted by BlueHope (2681 posts) - - Show Bio

what is Marvel's obsession with bringing in more spider-heroes into 616?

Because they do it with every big superhero

Batman , Batgirl , Batwoman , Batwing , Nightwing , Robin, Red Robin ,Red hood

Superman , Superboy , Superwoman , Supergirl , Powergirl , Superdog

Hulk , She Hulk , Red Hulk , Red She Hulk etc

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#7 Posted by Yassassin (7703 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

At least Silk is Asian American and offers a little diversity?

Meh, they already had a hispantic, white female, and half Hispanic, half black one.

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#8 Posted by magnetic_eye (1739 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluehope: said

what is Marvel's obsession with bringing in more spider-heroes into 616?

Because they do it with every big superhero

Batman , Batgirl , Batwoman , Batwing , Nightwing , Robin, Red Robin ,Red hood

Superman , Superboy , Superwoman , Supergirl , Powergirl , Superdog

Hulk , She Hulk , Red Hulk , Red She Hulk etc

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^^^^^ TRUE ^^^^^ .........but Bruce Wayne / Batman and Clark Kent / Superman have always been the top tier powerhouse characters in their own titles. They haven't gone through a decade of deconstructive bastardization being reduced into incompetent goofball man-children.

Peter Parker / Spider-Man used to be a unique, independent, formidable, resourceful and indivisible super- hero second to none.

Quesada and Slott have stripped his unique and genuine individualism away.

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#9 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio
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@bluehope said:

what is Marvel's obsession with bringing in more spider-heroes into 616?

Because they do it with every big superhero

Batman , Batgirl , Batwoman , Batwing , Nightwing , Robin, Red Robin ,Red hood

Superman , Superboy , Superwoman , Supergirl , Powergirl , Superdog

Hulk , She Hulk , Red Hulk , Red She Hulk etc

In case you forgot this is about Marvel and not DC)

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#11 Edited by Thatlyn Yoaeg'ill'rymmin (4238 posts) - - Show Bio

Well... Spider-Woman Gwen Stacy is great, funny, and live into another universe [so more new story]. Miles Morales is great, reletable and with a long history in Ultimate. Miguel O'Hara is... well, he is the coolest spiderman since 1992. Scrarlet Spider Kane is simply great, with an history tied to the south of america [I'm talking about is last series] and darker elements. Silk is new, and may be the real things for new spider reader that want remain into 616 [otherwise, Go-Gwen]. Spider-Woman Jessica and Agent Venom are both different and grate in story and powers...

...so you are right! Peter is no special anymore, and even less interesting. So Marvel can kill off him once and for all, I really don't care [I'm hoping they do that!]

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#12 Edited by knightwriteri (741 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine is and should be generally more powerful than Peter same as Venom after all from the begining Kaine was taller, faster stronger than Peter and had a better spider-sense if Peter has his Other powers they should be even.

The only male spiders should be Peter, Kaine and Ben Reilly plus classic Venom if he counts as a spider. (Miles Morales had the potential to be the Wally West of the franchise but that potential has been wasted due to a great many factors he should die sacrificing himself to save Peter from Norman or something)

Imagine Identity Crisis II where instead of Peter assuming four new heroic identities he divides the costume, identities and duties as Spider-Man between himself, Reilly, Kaine and one other hero.

Spider-Gwen is fading and as good as some claim Silk's been since her first series Silk cannot escape her incredibly sexist origin she I'd have a goblin from the future eliminate her with a retcon bomb. Despite Marvel's wishes Anya has never been a thing and never will be they need to give up. Mattie Franklin should stay dead period.

MJ, Annie, Mayday, Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter are fine as female spiders but no more than two should be active at a time.

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#14 Posted by comicace3 (12435 posts) - - Show Bio

They're creating a spider family.

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#15 Posted by Green_Tea (10583 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicace3: ugh, as much as i hate the idea of that (I'd prefer i trio) at least make Peter the top dog, show why he's the most powerful since he's the OG, hell, Jessica Drew should be looking up to him, not treating him like an amateur.

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#17 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

C'mon let's not act like this is something new prior to the character's listed above we had: Tarantula, Three Venoms, Carnage, Toxin about a half dozen other symbiotes no one remembers, Four Spider-Women, Kaine and for a time Ben. If you want to go a bit further we had May and Miguel (who were just outside the main continuity like Spider-Gwen) who had very successful comics for a number of years.

Dirivitive characters are nothing new for Spider-Man (hell comics in general), and it's not like Peter was the only spider character in 616 and he hasn' been 'unique' for the larger part of his publication history. So let's not pretend like these three character's, two from different Universes are overcrowding a crowded field or are breaking some new ground here.

If you don't dig them or whatever, that's cool and all but the faux outrage and the overly righteous indignation is tiresome.

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#18 Posted by BlueHope (2681 posts) - - Show Bio

@rubear said:
@bluehope said:

what is Marvel's obsession with bringing in more spider-heroes into 616?

Because they do it with every big superhero

Batman , Batgirl , Batwoman , Batwing , Nightwing , Robin, Red Robin ,Red hood

Superman , Superboy , Superwoman , Supergirl , Powergirl , Superdog

Hulk , She Hulk , Red Hulk , Red She Hulk etc

In case you forgot this is about Marvel and not DC)

I was talking about the whole comics company in general, both marvel and DC love to create entire "super families" when a hero gets too popular.

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#19 Posted by SisterGrimm2099 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Edited by shonuff33 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter isn't special because he isn't Marvel's golden boy anymore(Company wise he's never been that special when promoting the face of the superheroes like Main three avengers(Steve, Tony, Thor) or two(Steven and Tony) if you want to get technical for the MCU). All these spidermen are used because the main spiderman has a huge convoluted history that is pretty much too tedious to read all of, and marvel doesn't want peter to reset back on all that continuity or reboot, so they use other new characters to retell the spiderman mythos that peter himself can't.

Marvel doesn't need him as much as they used to, They have way to much on their plate with new heroes and promote their brand as much, they have the Avengers, Inhumans, Deadpool and his spinoffs, X-Men and Ms. Marvel now. The main Spider-Man and other Spider-Men are just pandering the nostalgia of the heroes image for new fans but in a different way, cuz Spidey is still their mascot or at least one of their mascots.

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#22 Posted by RabumAlal (5318 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

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#23 Posted by shonuff33 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

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#24 Posted by esco1199 (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33 said:

@rabumalal said:

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

You are completely wrong, spider-man might not be face of MCU but he crushes everything in Marvel. The only reason why he may seem like hes sitting on the sidelines is because of Sony...his toys, comics, etc cant not be matched. Marvel essentially smoked out and suffocated the fantastic 4 (trying same thing for x-men) to force FOX to revert those characters back to Marvel AND IT WORKED!!! Marvel got the Fantastic 4 movie rights back from FOX...by canceling all comic books, canceling all toys/collector/merchandise, and make them seem invisible...its a ruthless and brilliant plan on Marvels part. However, this approach will not work for spider-man because hes way to popular.

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#25 Posted by shonuff33 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@esco1199 said:

@shonuff33 said:

@rabumalal said:

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

You are completely wrong, spider-man might not be face of MCU but he crushes everything in Marvel. The only reason why he may seem like hes sitting on the sidelines is because of Sony...his toys, comics, etc cant not be matched. Marvel essentially smoked out and suffocated the fantastic 4 (trying same thing for x-men) to force FOX to revert those characters back to Marvel AND IT WORKED!!! Marvel got the Fantastic 4 movie rights back from FOX...by canceling all comic books, canceling all toys/collector/merchandise, and make them seem invisible...its a ruthless and brilliant plan on Marvels part. However, this approach will not work for spider-man because hes way to popular.

ONly in toy sales, he's a kid catered franchise the most. Spider-Man is way behind the Avengers in marketability in clothes, movies, even game(mobile apps), and in comic sales, the avengers best comic sales always beat spidey's best issues. Spider-Man solo wise is number one but as a hero franchise, not even close. The X-Men is basically killed from obscurity now thanks to the avengers.

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#26 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

@esco1199 said:

@shonuff33 said:

@rabumalal said:

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

You are completely wrong, spider-man might not be face of MCU but he crushes everything in Marvel. The only reason why he may seem like hes sitting on the sidelines is because of Sony...his toys, comics, etc cant not be matched. Marvel essentially smoked out and suffocated the fantastic 4 (trying same thing for x-men) to force FOX to revert those characters back to Marvel AND IT WORKED!!! Marvel got the Fantastic 4 movie rights back from FOX...by canceling all comic books, canceling all toys/collector/merchandise, and make them seem invisible...its a ruthless and brilliant plan on Marvels part. However, this approach will not work for spider-man because hes way to popular.

I think you are joking, but if you are not, where does it say that Marvel got the rights to the Fantastic Four back from FOX? Because I really want this to be true.

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#27 Posted by MarvelMan92 (5291 posts) - - Show Bio

@esco1199 said:

@shonuff33 said:

@rabumalal said:

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

You are completely wrong, spider-man might not be face of MCU but he crushes everything in Marvel. The only reason why he may seem like hes sitting on the sidelines is because of Sony...his toys, comics, etc cant not be matched. Marvel essentially smoked out and suffocated the fantastic 4 (trying same thing for x-men) to force FOX to revert those characters back to Marvel AND IT WORKED!!! Marvel got the Fantastic 4 movie rights back from FOX...by canceling all comic books, canceling all toys/collector/merchandise, and make them seem invisible...its a ruthless and brilliant plan on Marvels part. However, this approach will not work for spider-man because hes way to popular.

ONly in toy sales, he's a kid catered franchise the most. Spider-Man is way behind the Avengers in marketability in clothes, movies, even game(mobile apps), and in comic sales, the avengers best comic sales always beat spidey's best issues. Spider-Man solo wise is number one but as a hero franchise, not even close. The X-Men is basically killed from obscurity now thanks to the avengers.

Not even close. Teens and Adults still collect Spider-man merchandise than other Marvel brand. They collect Statues and other figures. and Spidey could rise back up in Sales with RYV. also The X-Men aren't being killed off. granted it may seem like they are but even Marvel knows they wouldn't do something like that. and They've also announced that The X-Men are still gonna be involved in a new arc or event series.

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#28 Edited by esco1199 (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33: So your putting Spider-man against the entire avengers franchise, essentially 1 character vs everyone and everything associated with Avengers? In that case I would hope all the avenger comics, spin-offs, and solo books would beat out Spider-man in sales. Spider-man has what maybe 3-5 books ongoing (miles morales, the future 2099, gwen, etc) compared to probably 15-20+ books the Avenger franchise have ongoing? You cant expect Jordan to 1 vs entire college team and expect him to win...

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#29 Posted by shonuff33 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33 said:
@esco1199 said:

@shonuff33 said:

@rabumalal said:

@shonuff33: yeah, Spider-Man is still the most famous superhero of Marvel and is usually their best selling comic.

Spider used to be the most famous, he is not their best selling either. Thats the Avengers( the entire franchise).

You are completely wrong, spider-man might not be face of MCU but he crushes everything in Marvel. The only reason why he may seem like hes sitting on the sidelines is because of Sony...his toys, comics, etc cant not be matched. Marvel essentially smoked out and suffocated the fantastic 4 (trying same thing for x-men) to force FOX to revert those characters back to Marvel AND IT WORKED!!! Marvel got the Fantastic 4 movie rights back from FOX...by canceling all comic books, canceling all toys/collector/merchandise, and make them seem invisible...its a ruthless and brilliant plan on Marvels part. However, this approach will not work for spider-man because hes way to popular.

ONly in toy sales, he's a kid catered franchise the most. Spider-Man is way behind the Avengers in marketability in clothes, movies, even game(mobile apps), and in comic sales, the avengers best comic sales always beat spidey's best issues. Spider-Man solo wise is number one but as a hero franchise, not even close. The X-Men is basically killed from obscurity now thanks to the avengers.

Not even close. Teens and Adults still collect Spider-man merchandise than other Marvel brand. They collect Statues and other figures. and Spidey could rise back up in Sales with RYV. also The X-Men aren't being killed off. granted it may seem like they are but even Marvel knows they wouldn't do something like that. and They've also announced that The X-Men are still gonna be involved in a new arc or event series.

@esco1199 said:

@shonuff33: So your putting Spider-man against the entire avengers franchise, essentially 1 character vs everyone and everything associated with Avengers? In that case I would hope all the avenger comics, spin-offs, and solo books would beat out Spider-man in sales. Spider-man has what maybe 3-5 books ongoing (miles morales, the future 2099, gwen, etc) compared to probably 15-20+ books the Avenger franchise have ongoing? You cant expect Jordan to 1 vs entire college team and expect him to win...

I see more Deadpool and Avenger shirts at my clothing store than any Spidey shirts, or at least they sell as well as SpiderMan shirts and other merchandise. And as long as marvel movie get more popular and over with casuals, X-Men isn't gonna be a big concern for current marvel writers, it's all MCU inspired now.

Batman beats most of the DC Superhero roster by himself in comic sales for his company. And if they sell more, it's because he's one of the main characters. Unlike Spider-Man who is only a substitute temp on a b list version of the main team and the main team is consisted of basically the top dogs of the marvel superhero roster and the main characters. He has to create multiple books because his franchise is losing out to heroes that got star level fame because of the movies when he used to have multiple books about himself and kept the company afloat by his lonesome with the x-men. Even then, Batman has been DC's bread and butter and still makes himself the face of the company in popularity and most of his cast are solo heroes of their own books, that is pretty much why Spider-Man needs different Spider-books with different main characters, Spidey copies the Batman formula to stay afloat from being like the FF.

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#30 Posted by magnetic_eye (1739 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33:

Well whataya know it's Jimishim12, now masquerading as shonuff33, who once admitted in another thread to only having read 300 or so issues of ASM. And as usual most your rants make no sense at all.

You haven't read any other Spider-Man titles and willfully ignore that 90% of Spider-Man's history has been as an adult over more than four decades.

You seem to only have an obsession or fetish for a young goofball teenage Spidey, which is kinda creepy.

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#32 Posted by Friv (246 posts) - - Show Bio

@magnetic_eye: Glad to see I wasn't the only one getting Jimishim vibes from this guy.

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#33 Posted by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (2523 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider characters come and go but Peter is the only one who has lasted the test of time. Miles is the only one of these who might still be around 10 years from now.

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#35 Posted by shonuff33 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33:

Well whataya know it's Jimishim12, now masquerading as shonuff33, who once admitted in another thread to only having read 300 or so issues of ASM. And as usual most your rants make no sense at all.

You haven't read any other Spider-Man titles and willfully ignore that 90% of Spider-Man's history has been as an adult over more than four decades.

You seem to only have an obsession or fetish for a young goofball teenage Spidey, which is kinda creepy.

????

Are you a dupe?

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#36 Posted by magnetic_eye (1739 posts) - - Show Bio

@shonuff33: said

????

Are you a dupe?

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LOL, far from it. I haven't been deceived.

You sound a lot like permanently banned Jimishim12. Are you Jimishim12 under a new moniker?

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#37 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Spider characters come and go but Peter is the only one who has lasted the test of time. Miles is the only one of these who might still be around 10 years from now.

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#38 Posted by BlackSuit (414 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the problem is a little more complex.

Yes, there are a lot of spider-heroes lately and most of them are redundant and should go. However, it doesn't denigrate Spider-Man per se, what does is the poor editorial management. Peter is being written like $h*t in the past years, he is portrayed as immature, and incompetent (both as Spidey and as Peter) and they turned him in something unrecognizable.

They also chopped all Peter's supporting cast, setting and rogues to other characters. Silk got Black Cat and the Bugle, Miles got New York and all Peter's rogues. They are killing the golden hen to sell the meat. That defaces Peter and is detrimental for this new characters too; the only way they be relevant in the next few years is they become established characters with their own supporting cast and rogues, if they don't the tendency is they vanish or be relegated t the obscurity.

And, in my opinion, many of this new character will vanish, Spider-Gwen is a gimmick propelled by TASM movies and Emma Stone's portrayal of Gwen, but this movies are not around anymore. Silk beginning was so bad, that I think that not even all meddling the new writers did will save her. Miles' future is a mystery.

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#39 Posted by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (2523 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacksuit: And, in my opinion, many of this new character will vanish, Spider-Gwen is a gimmick propelled by TASM movies and Emma Stone's portrayal of Gwen, but this movies are not around anymore. Silk beginning was so bad, that I think that not even all meddling the new writers did will save her. Miles' future is a mystery.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I feel exactly like you do man, all this stuff is a gimmicky phase. That well end sooner or later, hopefully it well end soon.

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#40 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6734 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually think Marvel has overall done a pretty good job of showing why Peter is still the best Spider-Man. He is by far the most intelligent, the most powerful, the most experienced, the most skilled, etc. of all the Spider-Derivations we have, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change. If anything, I'm hoping we see Peter become even more accomplished through Parker Industries as time goes on.

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#41 Edited by MarvelMan92 (5291 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually like Spider-Gwen and i hope she sticks around as she does and should have more stories to tell . as for Silk and Miles, yeah, they need to stop interfering with Peter's life. I mean yeah Miles does have some involvement with Spidey but that doesn't mean he should take all of his rogues. use some obscure ones like Hypno Hustler and Grizzly or even Hydro Man and The Spot. and give him some new Rogues Galleries that'll work. Silk should work somewhere after her time with The Bugle is done and honestly, her being involved with Felicia? I think they should just make Felicia back to normal again. and hey, if Felicia is back to normal if and when Peter and Mary Jane do get together again, I think she might have some fun with Silk ;)

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#42 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@ursaber said:

We should have a Spider Battle Royale where Peter shows the rest of the Spiders who's boss. Then after Peter defeats them, BOOM, Ultimate Peter Parker is revealed to have survived Secret Wars and the battle between the two supreme Peter Parkers begins.

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#43 Edited by TrustNoOne22 (169 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099 said:

I actually think Marvel has overall done a pretty good job of showing why Peter is still the best Spider-Man. He is by far the most intelligent, the most powerful, the most experienced, the most skilled, etc. of all the Spider-Derivations we have, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change. If anything, I'm hoping we see Peter become even more accomplished through Parker Industries as time goes on.

Most intelligent yet spent most of his run working for other people smarter than him and powerful only to crooks like Kingpin and Crime Bosses but looks like a wimp compared to Wolverine, Deadpool and Iron Fist since they straight up fight aliens and hulk level monsters daily(And hold their own) in a straight up fight while Peter ddespite being stronger has trouble with people that are a majority weaker or just plain custom made for Peter to handle since his foes are just freak of nature common crooks(Peters not bad in a straight up fight against Avenger level beings but you know his area is basically play possum till he finds a weakness). Skill Wise, he's just a crafty and adapatable street leveler(Possibly the most creative and inventive considering he's basically a freerunning spider ninja that nerds out his powerset) but he falls short to others in that area such as Hawkeye, Wolverine, Punisher, and Captain America without using his powers(Trained soliders, lethal killers and experienced peak/super humans that are super gifted in combat mastery which Spidey has trouble with and he himself relies on just auto pilot reflexes) and compared to other Spider-Men Kaine is better than Peter other than technical smarts as well as Eddie Brock since he has a more lethal pragmatism.

Peter isn't special compared to other heroes, he's not one of a kind he's more a in the middle rookie that relies on luck and cunning. The fact he is one the moral pillars of the Marvel World he still has not proven himself equal or better to heroes like Cap, the X Men, the Fantastic Four etc due to his indecisive and insecure nature. And he will never wield thors hammer, this makes him the eternal mockery of superhero mascots.

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#44 Edited by BJParks (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@trustnoone22 said:
@blackspidey2099 said:

I actually think Marvel has overall done a pretty good job of showing why Peter is still the best Spider-Man. He is by far the most intelligent, the most powerful, the most experienced, the most skilled, etc. of all the Spider-Derivations we have, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change. If anything, I'm hoping we see Peter become even more accomplished through Parker Industries as time goes on.

Most intelligent yet spent most of his run working for other people smarter than him and powerful only to crooks like Kingpin and Crime Bosses but looks like a wimp compared to Wolverine, Deadpool and Iron Fist since they straight up fight aliens and hulk level monsters daily(And hold their own) in a straight up fight while Peter ddespite being stronger has trouble with people that are a majority weaker or just plain custom made for Peter to handle since his foes are just freak of nature common crooks(Peters not bad in a straight up fight against Avenger level beings but you know his area is basically play possum till he finds a weakness). Skill Wise, he's just a crafty and adapatable street leveler(Possibly the most creative and inventive considering he's basically a freerunning spider ninja that nerds out his powerset) but he falls short to others in that area such as Hawkeye, Wolverine, Punisher, and Captain America without using his powers(Trained soliders, lethal killers and experienced peak/super humans that are super gifted in combat mastery which Spidey has trouble with and he himself relies on just auto pilot reflexes) and compared to other Spider-Men Kaine is better than Peter other than technical smarts as well as Eddie Brock since he has a more lethal pragmatism.

Peter isn't special compared to other heroes, he's not one of a kind he's more a in the middle rookie that relies on luck and cunning. The fact he is one the moral pillars of the Marvel World he still has not proven himself equal or better to heroes like Cap, the X Men, the Fantastic Four etc due to his indecisive and insecure nature. And he will never wield thors hammer, this makes him the eternal mockery of superhero mascots.

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1) "Most intelligent yet spent most of his run working for other people smarter than him". False. He has spent most of his run working for people less intelligent than him, e.g. John Jonah Jameson, Dexter Bennett, etc. Even the few times you could argue this (Tony Stark, Max Modell) is debatable.

2) "powerful only to crooks like Kingpin and Crime Bosses but looks like a wimp compared to Wolverine, Deadpool and Iron Fist since they straight up fight aliens and hulk level monsters daily(And hold their own) in a straight up fight while Peter ddespite being stronger has trouble with people that are a majority weaker or just plain custom made for Peter to handle since his foes are just freak of nature common crooks". False. Spider-Man perpetually holds back against his foes, often annihilating enemies like Kingpin and the Crime Bosses (see Back in Black, Kraven's Last Hunt, Marvel Knights Spider-Man) when he lets go enough. He can hold his own against or beat Wolverine (Avenging Spider-Man #16, https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cyclopswolverine-vs-spider-mancaptain-america-395391/), crush Deadpool (Deadpool Vol. 2 #19), best or stalemate Iron Fist (this is debatable, admittedly I have no scans for this). But Peter with (some) morals off has bested monsters (Spider-Man/Deadpool #14), outsmarted foes like Rhino and Juggernaut (ASM #229-330). He's a street-level hero due to his duty to responsibility, whaddaya want from a spider?

3) (Peters not bad in a straight up fight against Avenger level beings but you know his area is basically play possum till he finds a weakness) False. Play possum is an understatement of his abilities and strategy. Yes, against an Avenger level being he's not going to be able to win, so he keeps them busy until he can find a weakness. Unless this is your definition of playing possum?

4) Skill Wise, he's just a crafty and adapatable street leveler(Possibly the most creative and inventive considering he's basically a freerunning spider ninja that nerds out his powerset) but he falls short to others in that area such as Hawkeye, Wolverine, Punisher, and Captain America without using his powers(Trained soliders, lethal killers and experienced peak/super humans that are super gifted in combat mastery which Spidey has trouble with and he himself relies on just auto pilot reflexes) True, as of right now. Even though Spider-Man has learned Way of the Spider, it doesn't seem like he's used it to its full potential except for a few cases.

5) and compared to other Spider-Men Kaine is better than Peter other than technical smarts as well as Eddie Brock since he has a more lethal pragmatism. False. Peter is not only more experienced, but arguably more successful in saving lives. Eddie is not better at saving lives, and is only stronger, with Peter still pulling through in most fights against all Venoms.

6) Peter isn't special compared to other heroes, he's not one of a kind he's more a in the middle rookie that relies on luck and cunning. The fact he is one the moral pillars of the Marvel World he still has not proven himself equal or better to heroes like Cap, the X Men, the Fantastic Four etc due to his indecisive and insecure nature. False. Peter has more than proven his worth several times over, saving countless lives of civilians and fellow superheroes alike. Yes, he has an indecisive and insecure nature, but this does not prevent him from being an amazing hero. He's a middle power-level superhero, but not a rookie, he's a top tier hero not just because of his powerset, but because of his undying devotion to help others.

7) And he will never wield thors hammer, this makes him the eternal mockery of superhero mascots. Probably true? I don't know whether he's ever tried, but he probably won't be able to because he won't kill. Still, that doesn't make him a mockery. Me thinks thou art trolling, but meh, I had fun, so...yeah. Have a good day! :)

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#45 Posted by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (2523 posts) - - Show Bio

@bjparks: Very well said and you're correct. @trustnoone22 is a glorified troll.

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#46 Posted by BJParks (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@bjparks: Very well said and you're correct. @trustnoone22 is a glorified troll.

Yes! I did something good! Ahem...I mean, thank you.
Yes! I did something good! Ahem...I mean, thank you.

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#47 Posted by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (2523 posts) - - Show Bio
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#48 Posted by Lhynn (326 posts) - - Show Bio

Whats an avenger level character? wasnt echo and avenger?

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#49 Posted by ursaber (10363 posts) - - Show Bio

@Soulaf said:

Whats an avenger level character? wasnt echo and avenger?

Who's Echo LOL

Avengers level characters are those alongside the lines of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Hyperion, etc. Sure there are weaker Avengers but that's the typical power level everyone thinks of when mentioning Avengers level characters. That and because of their wider area of operations as they tackle problems on a worldwide scale and go into space and fight alien races.

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#50 Posted by Eto (5349 posts) - - Show Bio

@ursaber: she was created in 1999 and first appeared in Mack and QuasadaHack's DD run vol.2

She's deaf, but can read lips or something. I don't know, I don't recall lot. Didn't think she was worth it lol.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/echo/4005-9038/

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