Ok @ursaber I've recently caught up to the latest ASM issue and lot of people are thinking that Kindred is either Carlie Cooper, Pre-OMD Part of Peter, or Pre-OMD Harry.
With all this talk about OMD I figured I wanted to bring up our old discussion on https://comicvine.gamespot.com/x-men/4060-3173/forums/jean-grey-returns-thoughts-on-scott-x-emma-x-jean-1916188/?page=18
Figured this would be a better place for it.
I know I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but figured I might as well tell my experience / perspective.
I'm a huge Spider-man fan, he's my favorite hero and I started reading him many years ago. The first comics I ever read of him were the original Stan Lee stories. I read approx. from 1st issue to 121. After that stopped for a while reading issues here and there, like ASM 300. I started reading again around issue 500 so ezekiel, sins past, molten man, avengers, etc... and then Civil war, OMD, and Brand New Day.
Now here's what I saw while reading the issues:
First there was Betty Brant, pretty ordinary office girl, kinda dull relationship that didn't last too long.
Next there was Gwen Stacy who I personally believe to be the best one. When they introduced her Peter was having some personal problems and there was some misunderstanding. Because of that she kinda had this love/hate thing going on with him. I know nowadays the new Spider-gwen is like a punk rock rebel girl but the original Gwen was kinda portrayed early on as the hot girl that everyone wanted to date and she had those mean girl vibes too. To me I thought it was really cute when they finally ended up together; the nerd and the popular hot girl. I always liked their relationship and thought it was really nice. Even though he had issues and wasn't always the perfect boyfriend and always busy with his Spider-man stuff , she always stuck by his side no matter what. (Also in House of M they are married so...) And then they killed her off.
All I remember from MJ was that while Peter was dating Gwen and MJ was dating Harry, MJ would always flirt with Peter even when he told her to stop and she would do it in front of Harry and it drove Harry to start taking drugs... Like wtf.... So to be honest I never really liked her character that much and the whole nerd/supermodel thing had already been done with Gwen. (Also the Rami movies didn't really help).
Then after Gwen died, he dated around a while I think before getting together with MJ. Yeah I just never read those issues where they got together, dated, and then married which is why I never really shipped them or hated OMD like a lot of other people.
Here's the thing a lot of people who don't know what they are really talking about would say "Toby and Andrew were too old to play Spider-man, he's supposed to be a kid..." Not really because they actually didn't have him in high school for long, they did in ultimate but in the main 616 he actually graduated pretty quickly. But the thing I do agree with is that marriage does age him up and tie him down. Its weird seeing a married older guy quipping and such but a young bachelor doing that fits more. Also he didn't really have a choice, his aunt was dying and MJ was the one who pushed him to do it. The other thing I feel is a big part of Spidey's character is his secret identity, him hiding it and balancing his two lives. Civil war ruined that and OMD restored it.
I really liked Brand New Day, as a reader who hasn't read for a long time it was really easy to get into. Kinda like a soft reboot. No need to read or know hundreds of issues of backstory. I could just jump right in. The art was great, the story, the villains, etc... all of it was great and probably not possible without OMD.
And I really don't get why you hate Carly so much. I know you read more of the MJ issues and so their relationship means more to you but it is what it is. I thought Carly was cute and a cool new character. She was a science nerd like Peter so they had that in common. I feel like the built up was good and the relationship was also pretty nice.
So yeah... that's just my two cents. No need for anger anymore cause Peter ended up back with MJ anyway.
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