Am I the only one who thinks that Spider-Man is one of the best fighters in the Marvel U? He has a great fighting style, but I think he takes a lot of flack because of his personality. What do you think?  
 

I think, when compared to greater fighters like Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Sons of the Tiger, White Tiger, etc. you might be over-exaggerating a little bit. This is someone who has no training in fighting whatsoever when he started out as a superhero.

He is a great non trained fighter. If he ever learned a style he might be even more dangerous but considering his power set something like drunken style might benefit him.

Nah, he is just a great fighter.

Pete is a self taught fighter. If anything he made his own form of martial arts.

He's not underrated.He's just almost never written as a good fighter.All of the good fighters in the Marvel U have upstaged him and alot of times he does really dumb things in fights.For someone as smart as Parker some of the things he does in combat aren't even just a lack of fighting skill but a severe lack of common sense.Parker can fight well when the writers aren't being stupid which is almost never..so he's not really underrated, he's just been dumbed down so that characters will have a chance against him so he can keep his "underdog" persona..and since consistency makes law...that's how Parker ACTUALLY fights.What he does on the regular sucks therefore he's no a good fighter.

he's not underrated.he never really trained in any art.his reflexes allow him to react faster.does he suck?no.could he be a lot better?hell yes.

I remember he took on Namor and lived once... Wish I had scans... 

" I remember he took on Namor and lived once... Wish I had scans...  "

Not sure what angle you are coming from with this - he has taken on some of the most formidable opponents in the Marvel Universe.  Sure he doesn't have the trained fighting skill as Iron Fist but he has other assets (powers) that more than make up for it.

" @Dracade102 said:

" I remember he took on Namor and lived once... Wish I had scans...  "

I don't have the full scans. But here are bits and pieces.

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"Spider-Man has developed a unique fighting style that is nearly impossible for most other heroes to emulate or for most villains to defeat. Spider-Man uses all of his powers simultaneously to overpower and overwhelm his foes. He also makes excellent use of his surroundings during battles. For example, using a webbed-up fire extinguisher as a projectile in order to get distance between himself and Doctor Octopus' crushing arms. He is also never without a witty response or wise-crack to throw at an enemy in order to distract, anger, or simply insult a foe. Spider-Man's fighting style can best be described as an improvisational freestyle that functionally encompasses the usage of his strength, speed, flexibility, wits, intelligence, and his "spider-sense", in order to work his strengths against his opponents' weaknesses. Spider-Man is a cunning fighter, so much so that he manages to defeat enemies much more powerful than himself. Major examples of this is his defeat of Titania during the Secret Wars. Another is his victory over Galactus' cosmic-powered herald, Firelord. Yet another good example is how he once fought the combined efforts of DC's supervillain Mantis and the marvel villain Juggernaut (both of whom are significantly more powerful than he is). This stems from the vast experience that he has accrued since his teen-aged crime-fighting years. During the events of "The Other," Peter is shown as receiving martial arts training from Captain America. "
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+precognition
+strength, agility,etc
+awareness of surroundings 4 offensive/defensive  
 
IDK if anything he is always getting complements for his heroics, he is one of the greatest heroes. Even Taskmaster, a connoisseur of fighting styles copied his style.

" "Spider-Man has developed a unique fighting style that is nearly impossible for most other heroes to emulate or for most villains to defeat. Spider-Man uses all of his powers simultaneously to overpower and overwhelm his foes. He also makes excellent use of his surroundings during battles. For example, using a webbed-up fire extinguisher as a projectile in order to get distance between himself and Doctor Octopus' crushing arms. He is also never without a witty response or wise-crack to throw at an enemy in order to distract, anger, or simply insult a foe. Spider-Man's fighting style can best be described as an improvisational freestyle that functionally encompasses the usage of his strength, speed, flexibility, wits, intelligence, and his "spider-sense", in order to work his strengths against his opponents' weaknesses. Spider-Man is a cunning fighter, so much so that he manages to defeat enemies much more powerful than himself. Major examples of this is his defeat of Titania during the Secret Wars. Another is his victory over Galactus' cosmic-powered herald, Firelord. Yet another good example is how he once fought the combined efforts of DC's supervillain Mantis and the marvel villain Juggernaut (both of whom are significantly more powerful than he is). This stems from the vast experience that he has accrued since his teen-aged crime-fighting years. During the events of "The Other," Peter is shown as receiving martial arts training from Captain America. " -Wiki  +precognition +strength, agility,etc +awareness of surroundings 4 offensive/defensive    IDK if anything he is always getting complements for his heroics, he is one of the greatest heroes. Even Taskmaster, a connoisseur of fighting styles copied his style. "

Spider-man is not a good fighter. His physical stats just allow him to hold his own, humiliate or beat great fighters. 
If he had real skills, he would have better techniques that would allow him to fight more effectively, he would be able to counter attacks in an easier manner that could also allow him to take the edge over his opponent and stuff like that. 
As i said, his physical stats are enough to fight pretty skilled characters, but without proper training, he will have no focus on his battles, and this is something that can be turned into a disadvantage. 
 
To sum up, spidey is a really tough opponent with his power set. But it's a fact that he has no skills, so he is not a good fighter, when it comes to skills in combat. 
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" "Spider-Man has developed a unique fighting style that is nearly impossible for most other heroes to emulate or for most villains to defeat. Spider-Man uses all of his powers simultaneously to overpower and overwhelm his foes. He also makes excellent use of his surroundings during battles. For example, using a webbed-up fire extinguisher as a projectile in order to get distance between himself and Doctor Octopus' crushing arms. He is also never without a witty response or wise-crack to throw at an enemy in order to distract, anger, or simply insult a foe. Spider-Man's fighting style can best be described as an improvisational freestyle that functionally encompasses the usage of his strength, speed, flexibility, wits, intelligence, and his "spider-sense", in order to work his strengths against his opponents' weaknesses. Spider-Man is a cunning fighter, so much so that he manages to defeat enemies much more powerful than himself. Major examples of this is his defeat of Titania during the Secret Wars. Another is his victory over Galactus' cosmic-powered herald, Firelord. Yet another good example is how he once fought the combined efforts of DC's supervillain Mantis and the marvel villain Juggernaut (both of whom are significantly more powerful than he is). This stems from the vast experience that he has accrued since his teen-aged crime-fighting years. During the events of "The Other," Peter is shown as receiving martial arts training from Captain America. " -Wiki  +precognition +strength, agility,etc +awareness of surroundings 4 offensive/defensive    IDK if anything he is always getting complements for his heroics, he is one of the greatest heroes. Even Taskmaster, a connoisseur of fighting styles copied his style. "

" ok first why would anyone say LUKE CAGE is a good fighter? really he lacks any real skill.  spiderman is a Good fighter in the  sense that hes mastered his power set and uses it to his advantage. Hes not the most trained nor the most skilled but in a fight hes a dam tough fighter and can do lots of damage. IF you wanna know if hes skilled the answer is No in a regualr sense but hes got his own powers that are for the most part unique to him and hes very good with those.  its like superman would u say hes skilled? would u say hes a good fighter? if you say no thats a but off considering he can defeats more powerful villans all the time, superman has a fighting will and hes brave a shit. same with parker so are they skilled like batman & wolverine? no but are they good fighters of course "

" Who the hell thought Spiderman is not a good fighter?

" "Spider-Man has developed a unique fighting style that is nearly impossible for most other heroes to emulate or for most villains to defeat. Spider-Man uses all of his powers simultaneously to overpower and overwhelm his foes. He also makes excellent use of his surroundings during battles. For example, using a webbed-up fire extinguisher as a projectile in order to get distance between himself and Doctor Octopus' crushing arms. He is also never without a witty response or wise-crack to throw at an enemy in order to distract, anger, or simply insult a foe. Spider-Man's fighting style can best be described as an improvisational freestyle that functionally encompasses the usage of his strength, speed, flexibility, wits, intelligence, and his "spider-sense", in order to work his strengths against his opponents' weaknesses. Spider-Man is a cunning fighter, so much so that he manages to defeat enemies much more powerful than himself. Major examples of this is his defeat of Titania during the Secret Wars. Another is his victory over Galactus' cosmic-powered herald, Firelord. Yet another good example is how he once fought the combined efforts of DC's supervillain Mantis and the marvel villain Juggernaut (both of whom are significantly more powerful than he is). This stems from the vast experience that he has accrued since his teen-aged crime-fighting years. During the events of "The Other," Peter is shown as receiving martial arts training from Captain America. " -Wiki  +precognition +strength, agility,etc +awareness of surroundings 4 offensive/defensive    IDK if anything he is always getting complements for his heroics, he is one of the greatest heroes. Even Taskmaster, a connoisseur of fighting styles copied his style. "

" @speedlgt said:

" ok first why would anyone say LUKE CAGE is a good fighter? really he lacks any real skill.  spiderman is a Good fighter in the  sense that hes mastered his power set and uses it to his advantage. Hes not the most trained nor the most skilled but in a fight hes a dam tough fighter and can do lots of damage. IF you wanna know if hes skilled the answer is No in a regualr sense but hes got his own powers that are for the most part unique to him and hes very good with those.  its like superman would u say hes skilled? would u say hes a good fighter? if you say no thats a but off considering he can defeats more powerful villans all the time, superman has a fighting will and hes brave a shit. same with parker so are they skilled like batman & wolverine? no but are they good fighters of course "

Cage has better skill feats than Spider-Man. 
 
@FortressoftheMoon said:

" Who the hell thought Spiderman is not a good fighter?

He's not. 
 
@Metatron_Da_Don said:

" "Spider-Man has developed a unique fighting style that is nearly impossible for most other heroes to emulate or for most villains to defeat. Spider-Man uses all of his powers simultaneously to overpower and overwhelm his foes. He also makes excellent use of his surroundings during battles. For example, using a webbed-up fire extinguisher as a projectile in order to get distance between himself and Doctor Octopus' crushing arms. He is also never without a witty response or wise-crack to throw at an enemy in order to distract, anger, or simply insult a foe. Spider-Man's fighting style can best be described as an improvisational freestyle that functionally encompasses the usage of his strength, speed, flexibility, wits, intelligence, and his "spider-sense", in order to work his strengths against his opponents' weaknesses. Spider-Man is a cunning fighter, so much so that he manages to defeat enemies much more powerful than himself. Major examples of this is his defeat of Titania during the Secret Wars. Another is his victory over Galactus' cosmic-powered herald, Firelord. Yet another good example is how he once fought the combined efforts of DC's supervillain Mantis and the marvel villain Juggernaut (both of whom are significantly more powerful than he is). This stems from the vast experience that he has accrued since his teen-aged crime-fighting years. During the events of "The Other," Peter is shown as receiving martial arts training from Captain America. " -Wiki  +precognition +strength, agility,etc +awareness of surroundings 4 offensive/defensive    IDK if anything he is always getting complements for his heroics, he is one of the greatest heroes. Even Taskmaster, a connoisseur of fighting styles copied his style. "

Alot of Avengers received training from Captain America and still aren't good fighters and Taskmaster didn't copy Spider-Man's fighting style he copied is acrobatic maneuvers.What would make you think that a guy who knows the styles of Daredevil,Captain America,Elektra,Batroc the Leaper,etc etc. would even bother learning the way Spider-Man fights..I mean honestly,what would he learn? Nobody can take away Pete's intellect but he's not a skilled fighter by any means.You think what he showed against Titania or Firelord was even feasible..let alone a showing of skill?  "  

I remember reading something from Dark Reign, when Spider-Man was sneaking into one of Osborn's places and had to fight Daken, while totally blinded by Daken's pheromones. I would consider Daken pretty high up the martial art fighters ladder, since he did best Wolverine in combat, and Wolverine has trained and honed skills over his long lifespan. Yes Spider-man, using his unique fighting style and spider-sense, beat the crap out of Daken while blind. So yeah, I consider him a damn good fighter. 
 
He generally isn't too focused on the task, unless something really serious is happening, like Gwen Stacy is hanging off a bridge. When he focuses on the fight, he can't be touched by normal fighters, or even someone powered up like Mr Fantastic, who got his butt handed to him in Civil War, because Spider-Man was focused on fighting him when they fought. When he fought Captain America in Civil War, I recall Cap thinking to himself that if it wasn't for his shield, he would have lost the fight to Spidey, otherwise, they managed to be very even.

 well it happened.  and don't forget the scans above vs Namor. "

for every good fighter out there, combat is like Chess. Youre making moves to force moves to get the uperhand. 
 Bottom line: parker doesnt do that.
 he's fast, he can throw a punch, and he can sense when things are coming, but Daredevil has been portrayed as his better multiple times over, because he actually LEARNED A FIGHTING STYLE on top of having his agility and powers. None of Spidey's villains are trained martial arts masters. They are super powered brawlers. SO is he. But against the actual fighters of the comics universe, Spidey is an evasive and hard hitting amature. 
 if spidey would just sit down with Iron Fist for 5 minutes a week and learn some actual technique.... but right now he's at the bottom of the master combatant barrel.

Spidey is a very good fighter. he managed to hold his own against much stronger opponents and if you go over his stories you'd see he fought multiple opponents at the same time (for example, the sinister six). I agree that he developed his own style of fighter using his agility and other powers especially his spider sense that makes it very hard to connect. It would seem though that it depend who is writing for him, he's had some stories recently that makes he seem weaker and not as skilled compared to when he was written by Erik Larsen and Mark Bagley.  In the past he also fought and held his own against the X-men and fantastic four.
 
Also, it depends on which spider man we are talking about. Ultimate universe spiderman, is still a kid and inexperienced. I've seen a few issues where he gets his butt kicked but the mainstream Spidey is much stronger, has more experience and a better fighter.

Uhhh... He actually trained with Shang-Chi because he had temporarily lost his spider sense. He trained in Kung-Fu and Captain America's Fighting Form in order to create what is known as Way of the Spider; it's is own personalized martial art which takes advantage of his abilities. If a fighter takes the time to go through the grueling process of developing their own style, I'd say they're a great fighter! Think; Bruce Lee is to Jeet Kune Do what Spider-Man is to Way of the Spider :)

Everyone who posted before you had posted 2 years ago. So that was before he learned the way of the spider from shang chi and before spider-island.

Didn't Spidey create his own form of martial arts with master Shang? I think it was called the 'way of the spider'

@the_human_spider: Read the comment above yours

Spidey is one of the best if not the best physical super combatant(s) in the Marvel Universe as a Street Level Class or Mid tier fighter. Spidey doesn't have technique or method, but he does not need such things as he was build to have powerful spider biology implemented in his physique making him the perfect aerialist. Why have technique or perfected skill when you are an one man arsenal weaponized into a spider type top tier acrobat with super strength and speed. Spidey like someone said master and perfected his given powers. Take a look at shonen heroes, they don't have honed disciplined skills but they have powers they command through adaptation and trial by error innovation which through improvisation are master fighters by their own right, Spidey by that logic is a master fighter because he implements on the fly tatics, improvs, and adapts and reacts instinctually by countless fights and battles in his carrer like nobodies business and holds his own or even wins.

Spidey has no equals in agility and impromptu melee, this is why Deadpool and Taskmaster use his moves a lot.

They brought up how he fights in later comics, and flash backs. I believe Captain America said he fought like a spastic monkey when he first started out. And when going up against opponents like spider woman or anyone with his power set he said he most often then not got his butt whooped the duration of the fight, so he went and got extra training to go hand in hand with his spider sense as mentioned above.

He is damn good when fighting with pure instinct, but he could have been so much better if he honed his skills, and now he has done that, he's even better.

Spidey trains in sense he gains fighting experience and natural flowing attacks going from winging it and coming up with countless random spider acrobatics and brawling. He can hone his skills by just being more spider than man then he invents enough ways to fight which is what he did with way of the spider.

underrated? yes, he could beat the average joe in a fight not using his powers.

Doesn't he have the way of the spider fighting style of something like that.

@jayc1324:

As shown above, yes he does. With that training, he was able to keep up with full blown precog that had spider powers, while he had none, and was able to blitz and beat spider powered characters with spider-sense's of their own, while he had none, all the while showing pressure point proficiency. When he got his spider-sense back, the training was shown to work in concert with his spider-sense, to the point that he could substitute counter moves for his usual dodging reactions from spider-sense. While he does not seem to have lost anything from his prior life memory wise after the whole SpOck debacle, it remains to be seen whether he retained spider-fu.

With spider-fu and spider-sense, he should be a far tougher opponent than the Spider-Man of old.

As well, he has also been shown in modern times to use spider-sense track foes and predict the movements of his foes.

Spider-Man would whoop Iron Fists ass and Shang Chi's at the same time.

^A bit of an overkill there pal^

But yeah, i'd like to see just how skillful he is with his way of the spider.

If written at full wank mode, he's more unpredictable than Deadpool since he knows what you know by simply following his instincts(spider sense) and making it up in advance as the attack proceeds then he finds a pattern of using your method of fighting against you to studying how you work in the process while keeping pace by sheering speed, reflexes and synced choreography with pre cog. He also can multiply his physicals to his choosing if his opponent can keep him dancing. This proves he can whoop the hulk if he plays it smart, which he always does. His flurry agility melee and peak a boo brawling can keep any fighter reactionary because it has no straightness to his free flowing attacks . Plus he has pre cog, it makes him pace himself for a encounter before it happens, then he syncs his bodies rhythm with a sequence of offensive strings he instinctively presets to use with an enemy trying to exert force attacking him or dodging him. He autocounters the actions when the attack or reactions executes leaving blind spots to cunningly exploit and attack susceptible to an enemies vulnerable spot.

Wow Spider-Man predates alot of Japanese manga heroes in improve fu.

I think you misunderstand the character - or at least, misrepresent him here. I disagree that Spider-Man is the most underrated fighter; that honor probably goes to Iron Fist, Deadpool, Wolverine, Shang Chi, or someone of their caliber. Rather, Spider-Man is the most underrated potential fighter. He is not the strongest, or the fastest, or the best martial artist, but he is quite powerful in all of these aspects.

Moreover, many times Spider-Man focuses on a defensive fighting style, and holds back often. Not against rivals like Namor or Hulk, but against fellow humans, even enhanced humans such as Captain America. Additionally, Spider-Man has yet to hone his fighting style as other Marvel martial artists have.

I would say your last statement is pretty spot on though. :)

His powers are super sensing ninja skills. He's pretty much the strongest melee hero in reflexes and unconventional cordination outside of cosmics like thanos but he has dodged attacks from him, sentry and even carol.

Iron First and Deadpool can't move like him let alone obtain his fluid prowess(at an extent or limited time and it depends if Spider-Man is holding back or not). So yes he can hold his own because characters like hulk and namor are custom made to put those moves to the test and surpass human limits which is why he can win if he uses these powers smartly not straight forwardly.

Well, yes, but that still doesn't make him the most underrated fighter. A fighter must be both powerful (whether in strength, agility, etc.), and strategic. Spider-Man is both, but he is not as strategic as he could be. I agree that he could win if he uses his powers intelligently (well, against Namor at least. Current Hulk is way out of his league), but - let me rephrase it.

Fighting is as much your ability as it is your mindset. Most of the time Spider-Man is in a defensive mindset. That's his go-to fighting state. That doesn't mean he can't change it, but it does mean if he's in an extremely stressful situation, he'll fall back on instinct. Whereas characters like Iron Fist and Deadpool don't have natural abilities as powerful as his, they've honed their mindets more effectively.