Does Spider-Man Love Gwen Stacy More Than Mary Jane?

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#201 Posted by MrNihal (3183 posts) - - Show Bio

If she was alive,obviously.

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#202 Posted by ursaber (10135 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnihal said:

If she was alive,obviously.

He would. But Mary Jane is number one and would be even if she was alive. Remember Gwen still slept with Norman. If she was alive, it would be worse.

In any case, she should not be alive. Gwen is RIP. In the grave she will remain. FOREVER!

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#203 Posted by MrNihal (3183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ursaber: Would marvel do that to Gwen(Norman) if she was alive then?I think if she was alive, MJ would've been like black cat.

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#204 Edited by ZariusII (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnihal When Gwen was brought back in Clone Conspiracy, she told Peter she believed she would have inevitably lost him to MJ.

Why would MJ be like Black Cat? Felicia didn't love Peter Parker, she loved Spider-Man. Gwen loved Peter Parker and hated Spider-Man. MJ loved both Peter Parker AND Spider-Man. Peter and Gwen would never have lasted, especially once he found out she had been bedding Osborn and had his kids. Peter would have wound up a cuck, saddled with children not his own, and that would have contributed to his ongoing misery. He would not have had a pure relationship with Gwen, there would always be a level of distrust. He would never love her quite the same way again.

With MJ, there is a selfless, soul-yearning bond and understanding between the two. They are best friends as well as lovers. Gwen didn't start off as a friend, but an ice-queen tsundre who mellowed into a bimbo barbie, a daddy's girl

MJ was always going to wind up the superior love interest. Gwen had so many emotional hang-ups she would have proven an ill-fit for Peter in the long term.

Peter has also said to MJ he had always loved her far more than he ever did Gwen.

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#205 Posted by MrNihal (3183 posts) - - Show Bio

@zariusii said:

@mrnihal When Gwen was brought back in Clone Conspiracy, she told Peter she believed she would have inevitably lost him to MJ.

Why would MJ be like Black Cat? Felicia didn't love Peter Parker, she loved Spider-Man. Gwen loved Peter Parker and hated Spider-Man. MJ loved both Peter Parker AND Spider-Man. Peter and Gwen would never have lasted, especially once he found out she had been bedding Osborn and had his kids. Peter would have wound up a cuck, saddled with children not his own, and that would have contributed to his ongoing misery. He would not have had a pure relationship with Gwen, there would always be a level of distrust. He would never love her quite the same way again.

With MJ, there is a selfless, soul-yearning bond and understanding between the two. They are best friends as well as lovers.

MJ was always going to wind up the superior love interest. Gwen had so many emotional hang-ups she would have proven an ill-fit for Peter.

That was written after gwen was killed,if she wasn't i don't think writer would've gone that route.

Normally the love interests always fall in love with the superhero persona where could care less about the civilian persona.It would've been interesting to see gwen warming up to spiderman.

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#206 Edited by Revolutionary_J (2 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnihal said:

That was written after gwen was killed,if she wasn't i don't think writer would've gone that route.

Normally the love interests always fall in love with the superhero persona where could care less about the civilian persona.It would've been interesting to see gwen warming up to spiderman.

Gerry Conway, writer of The Night Gwen Stacy Died said in the 2016 Crawlspace Podcast (https://spidermancrawlspace.podbean.com/e/podcast-444-gerry-conway-interview/) around the 47minute-49 minute mark, that had Gwen's death not occurred, he would have still broken her and Peter up, and get Peter and MJ to date. Gwen would have been written out of the books and later writers would then choose whether or not to develop the love triangle.

Conway didn't set out to kill Gwen Stacy. There was a pre-existing plan by Romita Sr and other editors for a major character death and various candidates were considered and what Conway did was merely nominate Gwen as the best choice since she was both emotionally significant for Peter, and through Peter, the reader...but she was also expendable since there's not a lot to her character, wasn't popular by herself and so on. So if there was no plan, Conway would not have killed her since that kind of stuff needed approval and so on.

So it was never on the cards that had Gwen not died, she and Peter would have been happily ever after. Certainly not with Conway writing the book. Maybe if Stan Lee continued there might've been a chance. Psychologically, it's not believable that had Gwen continued, she would be okay with Peter being Spider-Man considering that he lied to her repeatedly, one point driving her near-hysterics with his confession, and that she blamed him for the death of her father.

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#207 Edited by ZariusII (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnihal Does it really matter if Sins Past was written well past her death? Don't move the goalposts to preserve your saintly preference for what 'might have been'. The simple matter is it's part of canon and would very much inform anything Peter got up to in the future if the "real" Gwen ever comes back. That's just how effective drama plays out. Once you add something, it is far more responsible and truthful not to subtract from it. What happened in Sins Past forever taints Peter and Gwen's idealist standing with fans, so it's little wonder it's outright ignored. But it still happened, and has not been undone.

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