I'm going to get A LOT of hate from this thread especially from someone I consider a friend on here, but as a devout Sentry fan I think I have to clear things up. Because honestly things are getting really chaotic for the Sentry. And I do not want the character I like a lot to be embedded in fan wanking. Yes I know this isn't technically a battle, but I really want a lot of people, especially those on the battle board to see this thread.
And yes I know there is already a thread similar to this already, BUT in this thread I will be giving a full analysis on WHY the Sentry is not multiversal; since Tom Brevoort gave a indirect answer and people are losing their heads about it. With this thread you will get a direct answer.
Anyways lets address the fight...
Sentry vs Molecule Man
The fight has caused a lot of controversy. With many people labeling it PIS or coming up with their own theories. We do know the Sentry was killed twice by Molecule Man before realizing how to use his powers, when he does have Molecule Man on the ropes he has to ask Molecule Man to return everything back to normal, which shows the Sentry was a novice at using this type of power. So was the fight PIS? No, because there is a lot of forgotten context behind it. We'll get to that later.
Like I said Tom gave a very vague answer(as always), but what he did say that was interesting is that transitive property should not be applied to super heros and I agree 100%. Because again there is a lot of context behind a fight. The Sentry beating Molecule Man should not be used as a benchmark to prove that he is multiversal.
But I'll give the people who argue for the Sentry being multiversal a bone...Here post-retcon Molecule Man fights Post-Retcon Beyonder and the two are obviously impacting the multiverse.
I'll throw them a second bone, the Sentry's creator Paul Jenkin's did intend for the Sentry to have reality warping powers.
And I'll give them a third bone with Tom yet again giving another vague answer about MM not being depowered....
But King... All of this OBVIOUSLY proves that the Sentry is multiversal! No it doesn't... Tom said it was "regular" Molecule Man. He didn't answer if he was weakened or not weakened.
There is a BIG difference between being depowered and being . Many writers state Molecule Man was not depowered, but they do not state he was not weakened. During Dark Avengers Molecule Man was weakened. But King HOW was he weakened? Seems like you're making stuff up! Well like the Sentry, Owen's powers revolve around the state of his mind!
We know during arc of Dark Avengers that he was feeling lonely and what not.
Also we have to connect the dots because it is said when Molecule Man was imprisoned in the Raft(the story under Bendis) that his mental state has fractured since then...
But more importantly the Sentry was also in the Raft and it was stated, that the only reason he was staying there, was because he himself wanted to stay there. He could have broken out of he wanted to, because they were not capable of holding someone as powerful as him in there.
Now Molecule Man on the othe hand one would expect that a Molecule Man on multiversal level would EASILY be able of busting out of the Raft, no matter if he can affect organic molecules or not... But he only got out, when Electro destroyed the Raft and many metahumans managed to escape. Molecule Man was later defeated by the Sentry. The bio states his current power level was unknown since his break out. But people lets be reasonable... He obviously wasn't operating at this level...
Even though the Sentry did not beat a Molecule Man at multiversal level, I still consider the feat of the Sentry beating Molecule Man impressive. Why? Owen was not only soleing the Hammer, Dark Avengers(Sentry included) and Molecule warped a whole city and people, but he created his own versions of the Beyonder, Zarathos, and other powerful beings. Sentry was the only one capable of beating him due to being immortal(he kept reforming) and having Molecule Manipulation abilities to defeat him only. And after the fight the destruction of his powers were compared to House of M Wanda(of COURSE HE IS NOT ON HER LEVEL and I can prove that). But again did the Sentry defeat a multiverse level Molecule Man? No.. Hell no... People of the Battleforums please stop acting like it was ever shown or stated that the Sentry is multiversal level. Stop acting like its surprising what Tom said.
But King where does a full potential Sentry stand??? That's a good question. The Sentry is an odd character. A very odd and complex character. Some people have him around Superman level or people much higher. Like I always said we havent seen the Sentry's full potential, we never have. But FOR NOW me personally(and his writer) have slightly above the Silver Surfer. There are good arguments(with supported evidence) that the Sentry using his full potential is a transcendence character like Thanos. Trans characters are pretty much more powerful than high heralds like Silver Surfer, but less powerful than skyfathers like Odin. Thanos for example is such a character and probably the prime example for the trans level tier. IMO Lord Mar-Vell from Thanos Imperative is a good example of what a full potential Sentry would look like. But do I believe the Sentry is really trans level? We need more feats, but there is good argument. But I do believe Deathseed Sentry is trans or at least close to it.
But we for sure know the Sentry is NOT multiversal level... Would Sentry beat Molecule Man again? That's for you to decide. :)
Note: I'll move this thread to the Sentry forums. Just want a lot of people to see this thread first to get the right idea...