Spider-Man #2

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They call addressing diversity in comics clever. I see it as the writers giving a big "Nah Nah" to the readers saying they can do whatever they want and get walkway with it.

If you want people to stop complaining about diversity. Then don't adress it, rise above the haters and they'll eventually move on. Addressing it only feeds the fires of hate.

I disagree. People don't just stop hating something, because it's never mentioned. It's good to address stuff, if you don't nothing will ever be changed.

Instead of having two separate Spider-man series why not have an ongoing Spider-Men series with Peter playing mentor and Miles being the apprentice. The interaction between the two could be amazing, we just don't have any stories where an old veteran helps a rookie settle into the role of superheroing.

Of course he will be defined by the color of his skin as long as marvel force feeds us this diversity crap down our throats. There will always be Spider-Man and black spider-man. Why not make Miles into his own character instead of a spider-man clone? Same goes for black captain America. Why not make Sam the Falcon and give him better stories instead of black captain america?

@xblah_blahx: Good to see someone else gets it. I was beginning to think I was the only one.

I love the art and feel of this book, also tis issue was really great

Ummmm how in the World did he beat BlackHeart???

@ecstaticgrace: My post wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. It was just a comment made in reference to the article.

@stormphoenix: I guess his venom shock has a unique affect on black heart

Interesting message to send since Marvel's idea of diversity is to shove minorities into icon roles that people are likely to buy no matter what. Almost like they are saying "we made the colored spiderman, just don't call him that" If you really want to push diversity why not create new heroes that are made something special on their own merits instead of just being a the colored/female/whatever version of X hero?

@xblah_blahx: Miles book is better then Peters.

Awesome to see Miles using his powers and anything else around him smartly, fighting back his own fear and freak outs in order to do the right thing. Good thing he has his family and friends to help him deal with it. Can't wait for more!

And on another note, who wants to bet the girl who outed him out for his skin color will end up important? Love interest? Future superhero? Maybe a future super villain for Miles? Place your bets, people!

@n25philly: Exactly what I'm saying. That's why I prefer Image and Valiant to Marvel.

HMM I DON'T want to immediately claim PIS, but!!!! I will give SIR Miles the benefit of the doubt that he actually did beat Black Heart with is Venom Shock Stingers.

WOW color me impressed. Good Job Miles Morales He beat a powerful Demon CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

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@xblah_blahx: It's because Marvel sees diversity as money unlike the lesser known comic companies where the characters aren't judged by what they are but by the story itself.

I'm probably the weird one is this comments section, because I couldn't help but focus on the "tries to gain acceptance from Peter Parker" part.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Miles and 616 Peter met before and got along fine.

I liked a lot of this comic. I thought it was great, although Pete seemed a bit out of character to me. I think he's normally more generous than that. And I'm looking forward to seeing Kamala next month.

But Miles punching out a hell-lord? Come fricking on. That takes about eleven stars off the book just for that. What the hell?!? Just stupid.

Yeah, but 8 months have passed since Secret Wars, and who knows how things have been with both trying to remake their place in the universe and whatever baggage comes along with it. Even close friends can get into disagreements about things over time, and so can they. We'll have to wait and see how things ended up during that 8 month gap, but at least they got that settled now.

Yeah I literally can't take when characters job that hard, Black Heart could literally kill Spider-man with a glance, Dude literally impaled red Hulk with his fingers and can apparently beat up lady Thor along with the rest of the avengers, talk about pushing the envelope with their new characters. Powerful well established vetran heros or villans shouldn't job to clearly far less powerful less experienced characters just to give them a push cause their new, their are plenty of characters miles can beat so have him beat them. Leave fighting Black Heart to the likes of the Silver surfer, amped up ghost rider and Thor type characters.

2ndly stop addressing the social media back lash in every comic it was maybe clever the first time (lets be honest it wasn't) and now it's just becoming repetitive and annoying. I did find it interesting that they did address that some people really do like it just because he's a person of color and that's not supposed to be the point, he's just a person.

Miles is strong in ultimate comics he had won doom too.

First of all, people aren't going to stop talking shit about Marvel's decitions on diversity if they stopped adressing it in the comics.

Secondly while other times they've been adressing the issue it was just to mock fans that were against diversity, this time around they did it right. They didn't made fun of anyone, they presented a character that was absolutely ok with having a black spider-man (she thought it was the best thing ever) which bothered Miles because he don't want his skin colour to be important. Bendis actually said it doesn't matter (which is how the topic should be adressed).

He was absolutely wrong and did a poor job when he presented gay Bobby Drake, but he did it awesomelly great now.

This issue was garbage. Pure, unfiltered garbage.

Peter expresses his concern with Miles being Spider-Man, and rightly so too, he's got one hell of a point. He started it, he began the whole 'Spider-Man' thing, why shouldn't he get a say in who does what in his name? Miles is doing good in his name, and he did ask him so as long as Peter gave him permission, I don't mind Miles being Spider-Man.

You see how easy that was? The original has given Miles his blessing like three times now, we get it, Bendis. Stop shoving it down our throats, Miles is here to stay, we get it. But stuff like this, having Blackheart tank the Avengers (which he totally could, he's literally a demon. Not just a demon either, but the son of the MU's version of Satan) and then get his ass handed to him by Miles, whilst the kid is carrying Cap's shield? A bit much, don't you think?

And excellent job at immediately taking Peter out of the fight to show how much more awesome Miles is, Bendis, bravo. Having Peter hit the pavement head first, like he doesn't have incredible durability or damage soak, very clever and extremely believable. There was nothing in this issue to say that was even Peter Parker, it could've been a regular guy in a Spider-Man suit for all we know. It'd explain why Peter was one-shot knocked out while Miles wasn't even touched.

So sick of this garbage. We get it, Bendis. Miles is so much better than Peter, we get it. Say what you want about Dan Slott but at least over in his book, Peter's stopping believable threats. Miles taking on the son of Satan twice and winning? Both times? Some of the worst writing I've ever scene, it's just lazy, contrived and forced at this point.

Why don't you have Miles pick up Thor's hammer, Bendis? Eh? Since he's so much more powerful that Peter and the rest of the Avengers, he must be worthy. And having everyone circle jerk Miles at the end, including Peter, was insulting. Peter never got that kind of treatment and he fought Blackheart himself a long time ago, with Daredevil's help.

Guess what happened, guys. Go on, guess. Peter threw everything he had at Blackheart, including collapsing a small building on top of him and the guy still wouldn't go down. The only reason Peter and Matt managed to beat Blackheart was because for some reason, he wanted to be beaten. I think he wanted Matt to kill him, to prove some kind of a point or something.

But yeah, Blackheart. A demon that once impaled Red Hulk using nothing but his fingers. His fingers. Anyone that buys that Miles can take him out using his overpowered bitch move, the Venom Blast, is kidding themselves.

As for the reveal at the end with that blogger girl (let's face it, she probably frequents the hell out of Tumblr), I do agree with Miles on that front. People shouldn't care that he's black/hispanic, it shouldn't matter. But these are the times we live on, where people still judge others based on the color of there skin. Was it done tastefully? No. Absolutely not. But I get the overall point, that we shouldn't judge Miles by his skin and refer to him as the 'black Spider-Man'.

Okay, fair enough, Bendis. Then could you show us the same courtesy and not refer to Peter as the 'other Spider-Man' as Ganke put it? He's not the other Spider-Man, he's the Spider-Man. Just because Miles is on the scene, doesn't mean Peter's redundant or irrelevant.

I won't judge Miles based on his skin color, because that'd be terrible. I'll judge him based on what kind of character he is, the way Bendis writes him and everything else but his skin.

Miles is a terrible character, that was shot into the public eye because Bendis put a Spider-Man suit on him and somehow got away with it. The kid should be his own character, and if he had been introduced as such, opinions of him wouldn't be nearly as polarizing. But because Bendis decided that his Spider-Man is so much better than Stan Lee's, a lot of people hate him. Me being one them.

It takes a lot for me to hate a character, a hell of a lot. And if Bendis keeps going the way he's going with Miles, sidelining everyone else to shaft the hell out of him, he's going to become the character I hate most. God forbid Miles gets tagged in a fight, that'd at least show us he isn't infallible and some untouchable little douche bag running around wearing a legacy he doesn't deserve to wear.

Five stars? Are you kidding me? Why don't you crawl out of the kid's ass and take a good long look at the oh so awesome character that Miles Morales supposedly is?

This is freaking ridiculous.

@tximinoman: I'm sorry but I got to disagree Bendis saying it doesn't matter what Miles skin color is is totally hypocritical. He created Miles to be the "black Spiderman" and that is what he always will be as long as Peter Parker is around. Which will be always since he is the most popular character marvel has. Miles should have gotten a new name once he entered the mainstream universe but being the "black spiderman" is the whole point of him. I agree with you that it should not matter what a characters/ persons skin color is but it's marvel in general and Bendis in particular that's making it an issue. Does any character, such as Cyborg, Storm or Black Panther, have such attention called to their skin? No, because they were handed correctly from the start by being written as characters first and a skin color last. That not what Miles is. He was a skin color first and foremost and that's on Bendis.

Spider-Man and his appeal has never been how strong or bad ass he is. It has been his determination and perseverance against the odds. Spider-Man lost fights, the first time he met Doctor Octopus he got slapped around and humiliated. This made me love the character more, because dealing with failures is a big part of life.

Having "Spider-Man" punch out Black Heart is the most immature way to try to force people to like a character. "See, this Spider-Man is more powerful than the original, he's new and improved!"

It reminds me back in the 90s when Scarlet Spider (another "Spider-Man") came on the scene and took down on of Spider-Man's deadliest foes at the time Venom. I hated it then and I hate this same garbage now.

My only problem with this is that I still don't understand why Miles is in the 616 universe now, specially seeing how Spider-Gwen still has her own universe. Miles made sense as a legacy hero. He was the one who took the mantle (we could argue if it was necessary for anyone to take over Peter, or if killing Peter off was necessary but that's another story). And I was totally ok with that, because I love legacy heroes. But having him in 616, where Peter is still alive and being Spidey... I don't know man, it's just weird.

Like having Dick and Bruce be Batman at the same time, you know? That just doesn't work.

And the problem is that, in my book, Miles has earned his place as Ultimate Universe's Spider-Man, so if they called him anything less than that I kind of would be pissed, you know, like... imagine if he started being Spider-Boy. That would be cheesy as fuck.

The only solution I can see (because I kind of believe him being "the other spider-man" of the 616 universe is bad too) is if he took another identity or just another codename. You know, he stopped being Spider-Man and started calling himself another thing. He can even keep the costume, I mean, Kaine as Scarlett Spider was awesome and he wore an Spider-Man inspired costume. So have Miles have another name.

I also found it a bit off to me when I read that part in the issue. It's like post-Secret Wars kinda retconned some things, but it's still very vague since nothing was confirmed. Gotta wonder if events like Spider-Verse and Spider-Men still count.

Because having Sam stay the Falcon forever would be boring. Without his metamorphosis into the current Captain America, "The Falcon" would just be the same rehashed adventures over and over, and we already have enough of that as it is with the Big Two (Marvel and DC). The changes won't always be well-received, or even seem like a good idea (*cough*JaneFosterasThorwithoutanylegitimateexplanationastohowshegotthere*cough*), but there needs to be some form of change.

Besides, Miles Morales isn't "the black Spider-Man". He's Spider-Man, simple as that. He was Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe after Peter Parker died, and he's Spider-Man here. While it is true that some of these changes are made irrationally and without much thought given to actually explain why it is that this character changed in this way (Bobby Drake suddenly being gay without any indication as to him having any homosexual inclinations, Marvel throwing around the Hulk's powerset like it's a Kit-Kat bar, X-23 taking on Wolverine's name and behaving like him as opposed to simply living her life for the both of them, which shows that her taking on his name is just her form of grieving), it doesn't mean that these changes can't have any ounce of good to them.

@friv: You forgot, how completely randomly the Scarlet Witch is in the pile of defeated heroes, because Bendis hasn't hurt that character enough yet.

Sure didn't sound like that on the Spider-Man/Deadpool book, where they already teamed up.

Actually if he'd not want to be called "black spider-man" then perhaps he'd have not black suit, no?)))

First off I just want to say that these two issues have been better than the entire current "Amazing" Spider-Man run. However, that is not saying much at all since Dan Slott has been writing Peter poorly for far too long. But I digress. I love Miles as a character. Was he created for shock value? That might be part of it. However, Miles has become more like "Spider-Man" because of his issues and shock value. Who would of thought dorky Peter Parker would become a Marvel staple in the early 60's? I agree with this issue in that who cares if he's black or white? Miles is still Spider-Man because of his moral values and power set. I am not saying that he would normally be able to beat Black Heart bc that is a different story. Right now I can just connect with Miles on a for more personal level when compared to Parker.

Typical Bendis, allows his pet characters to punch above their weight.

It's a comic book about a kid getting bit by a spider giving him the ability to turn invisible, venom zap someone and have super strength, but when he beats up some one he's supposedly outclassed by, THAT'S when it becomes too much?

Yes it is. It brings inconsistency in power levels. Why should Miles struggle with street crime, if he has the power to beat up mephisto's son.

Inconsistencies like when characters die and come back all the time? Or universes are destroyed and brought back? Sorry to be the one to break it to you but all comic books break continuity with everything all the time.

Your right, why bother having standards with all these inconsistencies.

What would of made this issue for me is if BlackHeart decided to step down in reverence and banish himself, due to the fact that a fellow brotha' chose to don the Spider Man name, despite living in this sick, white male dominated society we call earth.

Your standards are way too high considering what the medium has been about for decades.

I just don't like how bendis writes societal stories. they always come across as forced and ham fisted. he does subtlety like a comet hitting the earth.

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@friv: the whole son of Satan angle is less impressive when you remember that Memphis to isn't actually Satan but a Deviant with vast occult knowledge who uses the name ocassionally to muster fear. That and the fact that Black heart is adopted.

I good what you saying though. He's still pretty far out of Miles league as far as I know

@kiba: You tried but still racist. People talk about Storm and cyborg being black all the time same as Miles.

@mrkareemruiz: Im not sure what you're saying. I absolutely agree judging a character based off skin color is wrong and that was in my post. What I am saying is Bendis is a hypocrite for saying it doesn't matter when he's pretty much bought and paid for Miles success with the race card. No one would tolerate Miles as the "true spiderman" if he was white and in my opinion is what makes him different from Cyborg and Storm. They could have been any race, gender or orientation from day one and it wouldn't have made much difference even though Storms nationality is important to her characters background. They were never defined by their race the way Miles is and it was Bendis that defined him that way not the readers.

Right. How the hell are the Avengers and Peter a bunch of jobbers to this D-list demon. Though Miles takes him out with a couple of vemon blasts. Come on man.