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Catwoman #2 - I Could Say That I'll Sleep Better Tomorrow, But That's A Lie

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Judd Winick continues to push the envelope with the second issue of Catwoman, but does he take the character too far in this issue?

The Good

Judd Winick laid the groundwork for the Batman and Catwoman relationship starting at the end of the first issue of Catwoman, and the second issue picks up where the first left off. The start of issue #2 opens with a pretty hot and heavy scene -- definitely not for kids, but also kind of necessary in order to establish the kind of relationship these two characters have with one another. Is this more than "casual sex"? Yes, it is. There's evidence in that first scene that there is some affection that goes beyond sexual compatibility that exists between the two of them. In the first issue, the encounter began when Batman asked her if she was "ok," which is what the subject reverts to when the scene is over. He reiterates the question and once agai Selina avoids the discussion. There's a sense that she is attached, and doesn't want to be, and she knows he is attached and he probably doesn't want to be, either.

This is, in a nutshell, the way their interactions have always been, it's just that Winick is a lot more blunt about it. My perspective on the sexual implications of the scenes in this issue is this: implying that the two characters engaged in sexual activity is not outside the realm of either of their characters. Catwoman has always been portrayed as sexy and sexual. She's always used her sexuality as a weapon and often as a defense, so I was never under the impression that she was, by any means, puritanical which is why I was never really offended by the scenes in the first issue. Again, this is my personal opinion.

Winick does a good job demonstrating that Selina doesn't only use her sexuality; but that she's pretty smart too. He outlines Selina's plans to pit two major Russian mobsters against one another which definitely demonstrates the fact that she's clever. Selina is a character with many layers and I think that Winick is making an effort to demonstrate these different character attributes while still pushing the limits of how far he can go. There's also a very interesting moment of foreshadowing in the beginning of the comic in the scene between Batman and Catwoman.

The Bad

I really liked Lola in the first issue and I was hoping that she would be a character that Selina would go to and confide in. Someone she could trust that would not judge her, and I am so disappointed that her appearance was so short lived. I think a lot of character development could have taken place and that it would have been really cool to see Lola influence Selina's character development. I always get a little bit sad when a writer introduces an interesting character and gives them potential but then kills them off.

The Verdict

I honestly like this series so far. I think it's provocative, sexy and fun and I think it does a good job depicting Selina as being a smart character, as well. I wasn't too crazy about the ending. The tone definitely took a different turn, and I have to wonder whether or not it would have been more effective to keep Lola alive than to kill her off in the second issue. What Lola's death does do, however, is put Catwoman's lifestyle into perspective for her: whoever she brings into the fold she is ultimately putting in danger, something that is alluded to in the beginning of the issue. I'm honestly not crazy about Guillem March's art in the comic; I think another artist would have provided a different tone for the character.

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This book is starting to remind me of a Guy Ritche British gangster film

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I loved the double cross part of the book. As far as Catwoman goes, I think she can SOMETIMES pour on the sex a bit too thick, but I can appreciate a woman using her charms or the promise of her charms to get guys to do what she wants. I think that's empowerment, not belittling. Great call on the Guy Ritchie thing too, MrMazz. Definitely had that feel to it.

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You might want to put the spoiler tag in the verdict, too.

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i loved this issue.......i am really sad about what happened to lola

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@salmy said:

You might want to put the spoiler tag in the verdict, too.

This....

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I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character. I think it's a mesh of her roots, like her old school roots when she was stripper/call girl or something like that. and whatever the hell has been going on before. I think the subject of the book being fan service depends really on someones outlook on what fan service is. If you're some weirdo who faps to hentai then yes this book is fan service, but if you're a 12-30+ year old reading comics the content is no different than what you'd see on an episode of soprano's , boardwalk empire, hung, walking dead (second episode had a sex scene if I recall correctly), breaking bad, etc, etc. I actually dig the fact that they're exploring the sexuality of a grown woman who runs around in latex stealing stuff and having sexual relations with other weirdo's who like to dress up in leather.

Its a lifestyle a normal person like myself and the average reader probably turns a blind eye to but what if a comic book character had the personality of say a "furry" or someone into bondage, and they live their life doing burglaries, it's no different than james bond. touching on that point again.

Anyway I totally dig it and will be adding it to my pull list, I honestly don't see what the big deal is, the artwork is really hit or miss in some panels but I think the storytelling is pretty good regardless if the anatomy or backdrops aren't up to adam huges standards.

That's always the problem of filling the shoes of a better artist on a monthly title. Seriously I feel bad for whomever is going to take over penciling duties for jim lee on JLA, watch the sales plummet after he stops drawing it. And DC would be STUPID to let Greg Capullo take his talent elsewhere after the 11th issue of Batman.

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Regardless. Im Buying. :)

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I'm surprised that you don't like Guillem on the book. His art has been top notch from the get-go, and I agree with Winick that this is the best work that he's done. Seriously, I can't think of any other artist that I'd want on the book right now.

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Sounds like my theory was right about Batman in this series. When he wants an answer to something. He's tenacious about getting it. She could distract him with sex, but his mind will go right back to the question. Is that out of a deep concern for Selina, or just his detective's personality? Why not both?

I do question the idea of DC targeting new readers with the reboot, but making the comics content more mature. But if they are going to aim for a certain market with a book. They should go at it full force. Better than going half-assed and missing on all fronts.

It is sort of strange that they would introduce a character with such a rich personality, then so quickly kill off soon after the introduction, but getting your readers attached makes the death more impactful. If her death is quickly brushed over. That would be a waste.

It sort of reminds me of a death in the Fullmetal Alchemist series. Maes Hughes was a character that Arakawa gave a lot of personality, she got the readers to love the guy, then he was murdered in Volume 4. The funeral scene gets to me no matter how many times I read it. His death didn't get glossed over. It became the driving force of Roy Mustang for the rest of the series. Every time to came across someone suspicious or he met a Homunculus. He asked the same question, "Are you the killer of Meas Hughes?". It told you that finding his best friends killer was always on his mind. It wasn't something he mourned about and got over. When he finally found the killer in Volume 23. The scene was epic.

I would hope that the death of Lola becomes more of a driving force for Selina. Gives her something to work for over personal gain or survival.That's always more interesting to read about.

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Frankly, I'd rather keep Guillem and lose Winick. His batcat interaction is definitely unsexy despite the explicit sex.

As for the ending, it's not something that's making me look forward to issue #3. I'm downgrading this title from a definite pull to a maybe for next issue.

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@Om1kron: "Slutty Catwoman?" I beg your pardon?

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@chipsnopotatoes said:

@Om1kron: "Slutty Catwoman?" I beg your pardon?

beg all you want

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@Om1kron said:

"If you're some weirdo who faps to hentai..."

Woah there! Guess I'm a "weirdo" then. Oh yeah... and Japan. Those guys must be weirdos too. ;)

Anyway, I really loved seeing how Selina's mobster plan worked out. In issue #1 we saw that she's not above just bashing a dude's face in, but here seeing that she is also a brilliant schemer really adds some cool layers.

I also was relieved that this issue made it clear exactly how much Batman knows about her. And almost more importantly, how Selina feels about Bruce. Anyone else starting to feel some Lois-loves-Superman thing is happening?

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they keep winick and release Rucka WTF DC!!!

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@gangly said:

@Om1kron said:

"If you're some weirdo who faps to hentai..."

Woah there! Guess I'm a "weirdo" then. Oh yeah... and Japan. Those guys must be weirdos too. ;)

You do know that not "all of Japan" likes hentai and/or animes, right? That's like saying all Americans are hillbillies for ya! :/

Wait, what? When did you guys went off-topic in these comments?

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@Eyz said:

@gangly said:

@Om1kron said:

"If you're some weirdo who faps to hentai..."

Woah there! Guess I'm a "weirdo" then. Oh yeah... and Japan. Those guys must be weirdos too. ;)

You do know that not "all of Japan" likes hentai and/or animes, right? That's like saying all Americans are hillbillies for ya! :/

Wait, what? When did you guys went off-topic in these comments?

You're underestimating how popular anime/manga is in Japan. It's not at all looked at in the way animation is in the United States. A lot of their most popular movies and publications are of the manga/anime variety. Animation is one of the country's most important and influential industries.

Saying that "Japan loves anime" is not at all like saying that "all Americans are hillbiliies".

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@Meowshi said:

@Eyz said:

@gangly said:

@Om1kron said:

"If you're some weirdo who faps to hentai..."

Woah there! Guess I'm a "weirdo" then. Oh yeah... and Japan. Those guys must be weirdos too. ;)

You do know that not "all of Japan" likes hentai and/or animes, right? That's like saying all Americans are hillbillies for ya! :/

Wait, what? When did you guys went off-topic in these comments?

You're underestimating how popular anime/manga is in Japan. It's not at all looked at in the way animation is in the United States. A lot of their most popular movies and publications are of the manga/anime variety. Animation is one of the country's most important and influential industries.

Saying that "Japan loves anime" is not at all like saying that "all Americans are hillbiliies".

You missed the point. You threw hentai in with anime. I'm pretty sure the japanese children do not enjoy hentai, the ones that are exposed to it probably feel it's the equivalent to porn they shouldn't be looking at. Anime reaches a broader range of an audience, hentai is just a form of porn. To say all of japan loves it would be an inaccurate blanket statement.

Regardless lets try to keep this on track so this doesn't turn into some member/fanboi shitfest. I already have @chipsandpotatoes begging my pardon for calling her slutty catwoman like I have insulted some family friend.

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Uncanny....

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I think the best part about the ending is that it shows there are consequences for her actions. She's been carefree and lucky. She steals from people and nothing happens - she's CATWOMAN! But, no, even when she wins against the Russians, her previous heist catches up with her. I like it! Otherwise Catwoman would quickly become a boring read.

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@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

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@Om1kron: I was trying to be polite but all bets are off from now on. Looking forward to reading your review.

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@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

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@Om1kron: I was trying to be polite but all bets are off from now on. Looking forward to reading your review.

No problem, I don't intend to let you down.

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@Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

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@Om1kron: I was trying to be polite but all bets are off from now on. Looking forward to reading your review.

No problem, I don't intend to let you down.

.....i know she not real dude......i just mean why call her that? she is only sleeping with bruce.....i just hate the double standard.......

oh and its dudette...:)

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@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

    


.....i know she not real dude......i just mean why call her that? she is only sleeping with bruce.....i just hate the double standard.......

oh and its dudette...:)

I'm not calling her a slut, I said I am calling the book "slutty catwoman" slutty is an adjective not a noun like slut. and is a lot shorter than writing sexually promiscuous and immoral cat woman. Not trying to be a dick in discerning my use, and the differences either but explaining my stance on the word. I apologize if you took offense but I would figure people would know the differences between these words before trying to bare arms on a message board. 
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@Om1kron: @Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

.....i know she not real dude......i just mean why call her that? she is only sleeping with bruce.....i just hate the double standard.......

oh and its dudette...:)

I'm not calling her a slut, I said I am calling the book "slutty catwoman" slutty is an adjective not a noun like slut. and is a lot shorter than writing sexually promiscuous and immoral cat woman. Not trying to be a dick in discerning my use, and the differences either but explaining my stance on the word. I apologize if you took offense but I would figure people would know the differences between these words before trying to bare arms on a message board.

Regardless of how you spin it, you are calling her a slut. What you just posted as an explanation makes no sense and you are just digging yourself deeper into the hole you created.

Also, I think you mean "bear arms" not "bare arms"

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@chipsnopotatoes said:

@Om1kron: @Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

.....i know she not real dude......i just mean why call her that? she is only sleeping with bruce.....i just hate the double standard.......

oh and its dudette...:)

I'm not calling her a slut, I said I am calling the book "slutty catwoman" slutty is an adjective not a noun like slut. and is a lot shorter than writing sexually promiscuous and immoral cat woman. Not trying to be a dick in discerning my use, and the differences either but explaining my stance on the word. I apologize if you took offense but I would figure people would know the differences between these words before trying to bare arms on a message board.

Regardless of how you spin it, you are calling her a slut. What you just posted as an explanation makes no sense and you are just digging yourself deeper into the hole you created.

Also, I think you mean "bear arms" not "bare arms"

are you done? 
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@Om1kron said:

@chipsnopotatoes said:

@Om1kron: @Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

It's a comic book character, and because I can. It's not real life it's not like I called your mom slutty go outside and RELAX dude/dudette.

.....i know she not real dude......i just mean why call her that? she is only sleeping with bruce.....i just hate the double standard.......

oh and its dudette...:)

I'm not calling her a slut, I said I am calling the book "slutty catwoman" slutty is an adjective not a noun like slut. and is a lot shorter than writing sexually promiscuous and immoral cat woman. Not trying to be a dick in discerning my use, and the differences either but explaining my stance on the word. I apologize if you took offense but I would figure people would know the differences between these words before trying to bare arms on a message board.

Regardless of how you spin it, you are calling her a slut. What you just posted as an explanation makes no sense and you are just digging yourself deeper into the hole you created.

Also, I think you mean "bear arms" not "bare arms"

are you done?

are you?

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@chipsnopotatoes said:

@Om1kron

I'm not calling her a slut.

Regardless of how you spin it, you are calling her a slut. What you just posted as an explanation makes no sense and you are just digging yourself deeper into the hole you created.

Also, I think you mean "bear arms" not "bare arms"

 
Not sure how that technically works if a person clarifies they aren't calling something, something to have someone insist on their behalf that is what they are calling it...?? Am I missing some context? Do you simply not believe they are being candid?  
 
Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with the person you quoted, but I think what they said (explanation) makes sense. The word slut and associated terminologies are pretty complicated on top of that and in my opinion, best approached openly with that in mind, not everyone uses the word the same, so it always helps to ask for clarification where possible.  
 
Then again, I have bearly read this issue... ahaha... bearly get it... because witnessing an awkward internet interaction online and trying to inject yourself right in the middle to appeal to people to have more patience with each other... is funny...  lol
 
 
 
As for the issue itself... uhm... I liked... page 5... was ... just.. awesome.. and stuff... 
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Always find Americans reactions to sex bizarre,it's always tiptoed around while surrounded by extreme violence

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@battyfan1 said:

@Om1kron said:

I have dubbed this book slutty catwoman, I got issue 1 and 2 today I shall write second opinion reviews. I think this book is perfect for this character.

dude thats uncalled for...why are u calling her slutty?

How is she not slutty?

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@Om1kron: This is the saddest argument I have ever seen. Look, Catwoman is a fictional character. That for some reason someone is defending.

Look the issue is this. One person said the book should be called Slutty Catwoman. Some moron got offended and said that this was wrong. The other person attempted to explain that they were not calling Catwoman a slut (which they explained quiet well to anyone but the offendee apparently). I happen to agree if they wanted to say Catwoman IS a slut they would have said something like, the book should be called Catwoman the slutty slut bag slut. Not Slutty Catwoman.

Let's be real about something here, Catwoman uses her sexuality to get what she wants. I think we can all agree on that. Hell, I know we have all pretty much agreed to that. Now, how does she do this? How does one "use their sexuality to get what they want?" Here's a hint, it's not by acting like a prude. That's right it's acting slutty. Anyone with a brain can see that and admit that. If you don't you are nearly fooling yourself.

Quit trying to act all high and mighty and offended when all he did was state the truth and if nothing more his opinion. Remember, FICTIONAL CHARACTER. F-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-L C-H-A-R-A-C-T-E-R. You don't know her, you don't call her on the phone, you don't go out for scones on a Saturday afternoon. She's made up, and this is only one of hundreds of incarnations. So instead of arguing about something retarded, why not spend your time trying to educate yourself as to why arguing about stupid crap like this is only making you more idiotic? Enjoy comics for what they are, not what you want them to be.

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@BransonHuggins said:

@Om1kron: LOLERCOASTER

man I want some scones! and maybe a pumkin spice latte

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@BransonHuggins: dude.........don't call me or someone else a moron b/c that just defeats the purpose of you trying to appease everyone or trying to diffuse the situation...

the reason some people get upset when a female character is called slutty.....or a slut (which by the way is the same shit no matter how you spin it)....is because of the double standards that exist......

i adore the character and its because she is not afraid of sexuality that i like her more..........

you are entitled to your opinions.....but don't state them like they are a fact.....

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@battyfan1 said:

the reason some people get upset when a female character is called slutty.....or a slut (which by the way is the same shit no matter how you spin it)....is because of the double standards that exist......

i adore the character and its because she is not afraid of sexuality that i like her more..........

Just because a women is comfortable with her sexuality doesn't mean she has to act like a slut. This catwoman is a slut. End of issue 1 shouldn't leave much doubt to that and her speech, dress and action just confirms it in issue 2.

And speaking of double standard, if the role was reverse (Batman finding Catwoman in the batcave just wanting to talk but instead Batman rips her clothes off and rides her like a donkey), it could be considered rape.

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lols ur too funny...

i can't argue with you ;D

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This is the saddest argument I have ever seen. Look, Catwoman is a fictional character. That for some reason someone is defending.

Why is that hard for you to comprehend? Look around the other threads. You'll see that happening for other characters too. Fans do it all the time.

Look the issue is this. One person said the book should be called Slutty Catwoman. Some moron got offended and said that this was wrong. The other person attempted to explain that they were not calling Catwoman a slut (which they explained quiet well to anyone but the offendee apparently). I happen to agree if they wanted to say Catwoman IS a slut they would have said something like, the book should be called Catwoman the slutty slut bag slut. Not Slutty Catwoman.

Splitting hairs, much? Or backpedaling to the same position?

Let's be real about something here, Catwoman uses her sexuality to get what she wants. I think we can all agree on that. Hell, I know we have all pretty much agreed to that. Now, how does she do this? How does one "use their sexuality to get what they want?" Here's a hint, it's not by acting like a prude. That's right it's acting slutty. Anyone with a brain can see that and admit that. If you don't you are nearly fooling yourself.

Actually, there's a wide range of ways women can "use sexuality to get what they want". In fact, there was one recently in the news where African women withheld sex from their husbands as a form of political protest :

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-30/world/kenya.sex.ban_1_president-mwai-kibaki-coalition-government-kenya?_s=PM:WORLD

So, are you going to call them "slutty"? Maybe you just need to broaden your understanding of women in general.

Quit trying to act all high and mighty and offended when all he did was state the truth and if nothing more his opinion.

Now you're losing me. "Stating the truth" or offering an "opinion" are two different things.

Remember, FICTIONAL CHARACTER. F-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-L C-H-A-R-A-C-T-E-R. You don't know her, you don't call her on the phone, you don't go out for scones on a Saturday afternoon.

Well, neither do you.

So instead of arguing about something retarded, why not spend your time trying to educate yourself as to why arguing about stupid crap like this is only making you more idiotic?

And I would say the same of you.

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@battyfan1 said:

the reason some people get upset when a female character is called slutty.....or a slut (which by the way is the same shit no matter how you spin it)....is because of the double standards that exist......

i adore the character and its because she is not afraid of sexuality that i like her more..........

Just because a women is comfortable with her sexuality doesn't mean she has to act like a slut. This catwoman is a slut. End of issue 1 shouldn't leave much doubt to that and her speech, dress and action just confirms it in issue 2.

And speaking of double standard, if the role was reverse (Batman finding Catwoman in the batcave just wanting to talk but instead Batman rips her clothes off and rides her like a donkey), it could be considered rape.

What about it screams slut to you?

1. End of issue #1, she had sex with Batman. So? We're coming into this in the middle so we don't really know what's gone on between those two. Even though they don't know each other's identity, we know this isn't a one night stand.

2. Both of the scenes where we've seen her in civilian dress have been her in disguise. Frankly, I think the red dress looks great on her although the whip around the hip is a strange fashion accessory

3. What speech? The part where she says she enjoys sex with a man she likes?

As for the "rapey" feel of the sex scene, I'd chalk that up to Judd Winick's ghastly writing.

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Not going to go over the sex scene, it's pretty black and white to me what that is and the overall direction on what DC wants this new 52 overall to be when it comes to women. They are marketing this to all the little boys that got wet all over themselves watching Megan Fox bending over on Transformers. Was there any reason to show Catwomen jumping around with 1/2 her costume on in that opening scene or Megan Fox on top of that bike with the butt shot, or the other butt shot in the opening scene in TF3? All the kids I saw reading that issue said something like, boob, boob, boob, boob and omg that last scene!!

The dress, by itself is not a big deal to me but she's not going to some club, she's at a high priced event dressed looking like a hooker. If I remember correctly, Bruce even asked if she was one. (I could be completely wrong about the whole prostitute line since I don't have the issue on me right now and just going on memory). A classy lady may want to cover up just a bit especially if its a dinner that cost as much as it did.

Then the whole, "let's roll together naked in this pile of money" line. Again, by itself, it could be taken as just one girl being completely comfortable with her friend making a harmless comment. Unfortunately when you put all of these things together, it tends to make Selena look like a slutty.

As far as the rape scene, it's mostly in jest but I do find it funny that technically, Batman got raped. According to Catwomen, he does protest every single time. No means no Selena. As if Batman didn't go through enough seeing his parents get shot, now he is constantly getting raped.

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Not going to go over the sex scene, it's pretty black and white to me what that is and the overall direction on what DC wants this new 52 overall to be when it comes to women. They are marketing this to all the little boys that got wet all over themselves watching Megan Fox bending over on Transformers. Was there any reason to show Catwomen jumping around with 1/2 her costume on in that opening scene or Megan Fox on top of that bike with the butt shot, or the other butt shot in the opening scene in TF3? All the kids I saw reading that issue said something like, boob, boob, boob, boob and omg that last scene!!

I do agree with your statement on DC's intent. It smacks of desperation, no?

The dress, by itself is not a big deal to me but she's not going to some club, she's at a high priced event dressed looking like a hooker. If I remember correctly, Bruce even asked if she was one. (I could be completely wrong about the whole prostitute line since I don't have the issue on me right now and just going on memory). A classy lady may want to cover up just a bit especially if its a dinner that cost as much as it did.

You might want to reread that conversation again. Selina asked him, "How do you know I'm not an escort" and Bruce said "You're not. I know all of them in town". The dress I take for what it is.

As for the dress, let me ask you something. Is it because of Miller's prostitute origin that colors your judgement? If the dress were worn by someone like Helena B. or Dinah Lance, would you say they were dressing like hookers too? A lot of red carpet dresses are revealing, like the Versace one worn by J Lo:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://theglamourouslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/j_lo_versace_dress_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://theglamourouslife.com/articles/j-lo-green-versace-dress.html&h=445&w=325&sz=49&tbnid=TRxm4C-VrgmrYM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=68&zoom=1&docid=m2pdMTASu99MlM&sa=X&ei=AvSlTtm6EIbsrAeotaC9DQ&ved=0CF8Q9QEwAA&dur=217

Then the whole, "let's roll together naked in this pile of money" line. Again, by itself, it could be taken as just one girl being completely comfortable with her friend making a harmless comment. Unfortunately when you put all of these things together, it tends to make Selena look like a slutty.

I didn't read the statement the way you did. She was excited about her score.

As far as the rape scene, it's mostly in jest but I do find it funny that technically, Batman got raped. According to Catwomen, he does protest every single time. No means no Selena. As if Batman didn't go through enough seeing his parents get shot, now he is constantly getting raped.

Yet he keeps coming back for more. The man is a masochist, isn't he ;)

Seriously, I never saw it as rape. It's more like a game they play. I have to say that I could have done without the blow by blow since it wasn't really adding to the story. My guess is that Winick was too lazy to write a more interesting story so he just put some filler sex in it.

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@chipsnopotatoes: I had a feeling I may have been wrong about the escort line & I did not know about the prostitute storyline. I'm only basing my judgement on the new 52 and how they are characterizing women in general. I think Marvel's equivalent to Catwoman is the 616 Black Widow. She too is a seductress and i'm sure she used sex as a weapon but the way she is shown to compose herself you don't get the slut feeling from her. At least not what I have read the last few years. X-23 was a prostitute but in my opinion, her story is well written and I think she is one of the stronger female leads over at Marvel.

As far as comparing her to that JLo & the dress she wore.... The father of her kids did divorce his then wife to be with her.....so yea......

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I had a feeling I may have been wrong about the escort line & I did not know about the prostitute storyline. I'm only basing my judgement on the new 52 and how they are characterizing women in general. I think Marvel's equivalent to Catwoman is the 616 Black Widow. She too is a seductress and i'm sure she used sex as a weapon but the way she is shown to compose herself you don't get the slut feeling from her. At least not what I have read the last few years. X-23 was a prostitute but in my opinion, her story is well written and I think she is one of the stronger female leads over at Marvel.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The big difference between Black Widow and Catwoman is that Natasha was lucky enough to be written by Marjorie Liu while Selina drew the short end of the stick in this reboot and ended up with Judd Winick. In fact, my dream team for this book would have been Liu on writing, Yanick Paquette on pencils and Adam Hughes on covers. Catwoman would have been unstoppable.

As far as comparing her to that JLo & the dress she wore.... The father of her kids did divorce his then wife to be with her.....so yea......

I think that's just routine in Hollywood. From what I've read J Lo is a very hard working and driven person. Very business savvy too, building a multi-million dollar empire from scratch.

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@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers: I don't think you were the only one that didn't know about the prostitute storyline looking at the amount of hype and nerd-raging I've seen over more than a month.