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Batman #14 - Funny Bones; Men of Worship

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The Joker is back and is on a mission to rid Batman of all the excess allies in his life. This isn't the Joker you've seen before. He's not holding back.

The Good

Some say Batman can defeat anyone. Just because Joker is back, you would think it wouldn't be a problem for Batman. He's fought him many many times. But this isn't the Joker as we've seen him before. He is more focused than ever before. More calculating than ever. This is Joker at his most deadly state. And of course it's Scott Snyder that's bringing this hell to Batman.

From the opening pages, you see Batman take part in one of Joker's schemes. He has a lot of them going, many at the same time. Finding himself trapped in a vat of the same chemicals that turned Joker into...the Joker is haunting and also shows that Batman might not be fully up to this coming battle against the Joker. Will he get out in time? Well, what do you think. The fact is he fell for one of Joker's traps. That's not a good way to start this encounter against Joker.

The overall chill of the issue is the fact that this story is called "Death of the Family." With death in the title, you would think someone would die. Joker has targeted pretty much everyone around Batman. They all might be skilled in their own ways but they might not be prepared for this level of Joker-madness. As you read the issue, you can't help but wonder who might fall next and if they'll be able to survive. Remember how last issue ended? No matter how prepared Batman might be, there are times when he's just a tad too late. There is one page in particular that really stands out. It's a full page spread that is amazing. Great work by Greg Capullo, Jonathan Glapion and FCO Plascencia.

Not only do we get a chilling and amazing story, it is also wrapped up in an amazing package. Everyone involved with this issue should be proud. It's a great read and is an extreme joy to look at.

One of the big questions carrying over from last issue is does he or doesn't know Batman's secret? This has been discussed before and now it's coming full steam. It's a deadly piece of information that would make Joker even more of a threat. The suspense and the way the issue ends will have you immediately craving the next issue. This is how you end an issue.

The Bad

Clearly I loved the issue. It is a five out of five. But I do have to note that the backup didn't blow me away as much as the Joker/Harley one last issue. It is building up more of the story but perhaps it's because of my lackluster opinion on Penguin that reduced some of my excitement.

The Verdict

Make sure you're in a happy place when you read this issue. We've seen many incarnations of the Joker over the years. We've seen many battles between Batman and Joker. None of that can prepare you for what Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo deliver in this issue. Joker is a beast as his plans against Batman unfold. This is a cold and calculating Joker that wants one thing, to rid Batman of all his excess baggage. He wants Batman all to himself. With that notion stuck in his head, he has targeted pretty much everyone around Batman. Throw in the question of whether or not he knows Batman's secret, it's a deadly game on any levels. I don't know how Synder and Capullo (and Glapion and Plascencia) do it month after month. I don't need to know how. Just as long as it keeps happening, I'll be happy. The Joker is a vicious bastard and you'll love every minute of it.

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I NEED THIS COMIC IN MY HANDS NOW

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I loved this issue, especially in terms of pacing and atmosphere.

My only problem so far is the Joker. I know there really isn't a consistent way of writing him, but he feels so out of character when Snyder writes him, I don't know why.

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One of the biggest issues I have with Snyders writing is that he writes Batman as a lot less capable than he should be. Falling for both of Jokers traps straight away, really?

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I want to talk about this book, but how do I do that without spoiling it??? DAMN!!!!!!

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@MuyJingo said:

One of the biggest issues I have with Snyders writing is that he writes Batman as a lot less capable than he should be. Falling for both of Jokers traps straight away, really?

Would the story have any meaning if Batman just blew through the Joker's traps, no sweat, in one issue?

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@MuyJingo: Agreed, you would think after all his encounters with the Joker(And metahumans), you would think he would be prepared for for future encounters, but i'll accept it for now, seeing what Joker has done so far. Bats head wasnt in the game.

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Pretty happy with the story and presentation so far. I also have to agree with Joker - the size of Batman's family is getting ridiculous. That's what happens when you bring a Robin back from the dead and allow Batgirl to recover from her injury. Now they're sharing Gotham with all the extra characters who were there to replace them.

Unfortunately, a look at the sales numbers show DC will continue to ride this gravy train until it stops. So it's unlikely Joker will actually kill anyone that matters. A shame in my opinion.

@SmashBrawler: Hmm. Didn't seem out of character to me, and I've read my fair share of Joker stories. That being said, I don't dig the whole face hanging off his face plot thread. I'll admit though that Capullo has done an amazing job making it look legit.

@MuyJingo: Yeah, I can see that. It's tough to see that second one coming, but I'm not sure how he fell so easily into the first trap.

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Scott Snyder's Bruce fancies himself as Batgod. He knows he's THE Batman and he relishes it. His pride blinds him to the little things, or allows him to reason out the obvious with something else entirely more drastic.

I like it. Batgod is his strength. Batgod is his weakness. Let alone the enormous threat from Joker.

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Personally, I think you are giving Snyder way too much credit on this one.

Joker did not do anything new in this issue except possibly reveal that he knows the Bat Clan's secret identities, but he had not yet proven that he knows. This could easily be a bogus claim.

Snyder again gives Joker nearly superhuman abilities managing to kill dozens without any effort. This is just poor writing.

There are a lot of good elements to this story. It is definitely worth reading, but it is not as high quality as most of Snyder's work.

The BatWatch review is up.

http://www.comicvine.com/batman-funny-bones-men-of-worship/37-367690/user-reviews/?review_id=32925

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@CircularLogic said:

Would the story have any meaning if Batman just blew through the Joker's traps, no sweat, in one issue?

It could have shown Batman, you know, the worst greatest detective, at least anticipating the attacks. Especially with Gordon.

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@Reignmaker: I don't know why exactly, I guess he's a bit too deranged in Snyder's stories, whereas other writers always depict the Joker as a psychopath with style. It doesn't feel consistent with older stories.

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@MuyJingo said:

@CircularLogic said:

Would the story have any meaning if Batman just blew through the Joker's traps, no sweat, in one issue?

It could have shown Batman, you know, the worst greatest detective, at least anticipating the attacks. Especially with Gordon.

ummm...it did...he knew Gordan was next but not what the Joker was going to do....he knew exactly where the Joker would be but the Joker knows Batman just as well as Batman knows Joker...they're evenly matched when it comes to the detective skills....people seem to underestimate the Joker and think that he's just a psychotic clown themed thug but the Joker is a genius and he's an unpredictable genius at that

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While I have come to love Snyder's writing, I have to wonder what exactly this story will accomplish in the long run since no one he is going after will actually die since they all have their own titles and we all know how resistant comics are to change. Joker won't re-cripple Barbara, he won't re-kill Jason and he won't give away the Bat-family's identities to the general public. Hmmm, that last sentence just made me realize how neutered Joker has become thanks to editorial mandates. Sure he kills a bunch of nameless, faceless citizens, but no one in the Bat-family is in any life-threatening danger. Still, I won't let that cancel out my enjoyment of Snyder and Capullo's great run so far.

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Wow! Loved this issue and the "new" Joker, he is unpredictable and extremely dangerous, just like he should be.

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This batman issue was awesome!

Even better than the last one

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Am I the only one who wants to see Joker without his "mask"? Sooo curious...

That aside, I can understand Batman falling for a few traps. How do you predict chaos incarnate? It's near impossible. Batman may do a great job of it, but he isn't omniscient. He is still a human being; Granted he's a paranoid, genius, well-prepared human being, but a human being nontheless. With all his enemies, it's damn near impossible to predict every single one of them. It's just that he SEEMS so prepared because he has so many titles and always seems to be dealing with 5 threats at a time. I have no problem with Batman taking a few lumps now and then. It keeps the character BELIEVEABLE.

As for the Joker, the scariest thing about him is his madness and unpredictability. He REVELS in doing the opposite of what people expect him to do, so yeah, Snyder's version of Joker checks out with me.

In regards to the secret identities issue, I think Snyder leaves just enough wiggle room in the dialogue to keep US guessing, and he will until the final issue of the arc.

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@danhimself said:

@MuyJingo said:

ummm...it did...he knew Gordan was next but not what the Joker was going to do....he knew exactly where the Joker would be but the Joker knows Batman just as well as Batman knows Joker...they're evenly matched when it comes to the detective skills....people seem to underestimate the Joker and think that he's just a psychotic clown themed thug but the Joker is a genius and he's an unpredictable genius at that

He knew Gordon was next and wanted to take him to a safehouse. Despite having many experiences where Joker has already gotten to the target with a slow acting poison or something similar. Batman shoulod have known better, at least tried to anticipate something like that. A safehouse? It's lazy writing.

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@iaconpoint said:

While I have come to love Snyder's writing, I have to wonder what exactly this story will accomplish in the long run since no one he is going after will actually die since they all have their own titles and we all know how resistant comics are to change. Joker won't re-cripple Barbara, he won't re-kill Jason and he won't give away the Bat-family's identities to the general public. Hmmm, that last sentence just made me realize how neutered Joker has become thanks to editorial mandates. Sure he kills a bunch of nameless, faceless citizens, but no one in the Bat-family is in any life-threatening danger. Still, I won't let that cancel out my enjoyment of Snyder and Capullo's great run so far.

I think barbara and dick are both in danger. As for batgirl there was something about bringing stephanie and cassandra to the new 52 so it may mean that barbara may not survive this conflict and for dick call it a hunch

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@Xorion said:

@iaconpoint said:

While I have come to love Snyder's writing, I have to wonder what exactly this story will accomplish in the long run since no one he is going after will actually die since they all have their own titles and we all know how resistant comics are to change. Joker won't re-cripple Barbara, he won't re-kill Jason and he won't give away the Bat-family's identities to the general public. Hmmm, that last sentence just made me realize how neutered Joker has become thanks to editorial mandates. Sure he kills a bunch of nameless, faceless citizens, but no one in the Bat-family is in any life-threatening danger. Still, I won't let that cancel out my enjoyment of Snyder and Capullo's great run so far.

I think barbara and dick are both in danger. As for batgirl there was something about bringing stephanie and cassandra to the new 52 so it may mean that barbara may not survive this conflict and for dick call it a hunch

Ive actually seen both dick and barbara in the february solicits (after dotf ends) so i think theyre both safe

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@Stormbox said:

@Xorion said:

@iaconpoint said:

While I have come to love Snyder's writing, I have to wonder what exactly this story will accomplish in the long run since no one he is going after will actually die since they all have their own titles and we all know how resistant comics are to change. Joker won't re-cripple Barbara, he won't re-kill Jason and he won't give away the Bat-family's identities to the general public. Hmmm, that last sentence just made me realize how neutered Joker has become thanks to editorial mandates. Sure he kills a bunch of nameless, faceless citizens, but no one in the Bat-family is in any life-threatening danger. Still, I won't let that cancel out my enjoyment of Snyder and Capullo's great run so far.

I think barbara and dick are both in danger. As for batgirl there was something about bringing stephanie and cassandra to the new 52 so it may mean that barbara may not survive this conflict and for dick call it a hunch

Ive actually seen both dick and barbara in the february solicits (after dotf ends) so i think theyre both safe

Too bad, I wanted to see some blood

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I doubt anyone with their own ongoing will be in danger. Does that lead Drake as the onlyfamily member who could get killed if one does indeed die?

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@Xorion said:

@Stormbox said:

@Xorion said:

I think barbara and dick are both in danger. As for batgirl there was something about bringing stephanie and cassandra to the new 52 so it may mean that barbara may not survive this conflict and for dick call it a hunch

Ive actually seen both dick and barbara in the february solicits (after dotf ends) so i think theyre both safe

Too bad, I wanted to see some blood

Maybe alfred dies! Jason isnt looking well either in february:

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I diasgree with you. Thanks in large part to Grant Morrisson's interpretation, Batman has been written as being calculating and methodical anticipating every move of his friends and foes. He knows the weaknesses of all of his opponents. He has to be that way because he has no powers to rely on. He has to rely on his own abilities i.e. his physical prowess, detective skills etc. I think Snyder is trying to show that Batman is imbalanced and uneasy with this encounter with the Joker. Did you not read the events that happened prior to issue 14? He is not himself and the Joker is not predictable.

This is not necesssarily the Joker he is use to fighting. If you re read the issue Nightwing asks him a question that he practically ignores. Another thing Alfred was abducted. Batman is distracted. Alfed is his conscience and his guide. The Joker neutralized him. Scott Snyder is good at tapping into emotion. He has the ability to capture the shifting moods of his characters. Any great writer should be able to convey that. The boy is good. He deserves an Eisner.

If you have really read enough Joker stories or seen the Dark Knight writers that have writtern the character have always emphasized his chaotic nature. He is not predictable. He is not like his fellow Rogues. The Joker has a special kind of madness that has no logic or flow. Its all over the place. Batman knows this. He will attack with the least obvious. He went after Gordons Heart medication. That says it all.

I think it is reasonable to believe that the Joker knows who Batman is. The history they have and the encounters. Its plausidble. If it was a ruse why would be abduct Alfred. He is not going to expose Batman's identity because it will end their game.

I have been reading Batman a long time. Snyder is a student of the character and he has tapped into a lot of different mythos and interpretation.

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CANT WAIT TO READ DISSSSSSSSS

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Batman is written in this issue as inept, unconfident, and over emotional.

I know Alfred's life is at stake here, but he's BATMAN. Keeping his cool is what he does. Being sure of himself is what he does. Not getting caught in every single trap Joker sets...is what he's supposed to do....

Joker came off as overly sycophantic. Yes he has some twisted love for Batman, but his dialogue just didn't ring true to me. In fact, every character in this issue seemed out of character.

The first issue of this run didn't really wow me. Now this. I'll get the next one because I'm curious but unless something special happens I'm done with this run, and possibly Snider on Batman.

One positive note though is that I did like the backup.

Penguin didn't appear at all intimidated by the Joker and the Joker treated the Penguin with respect. I generally hate it when any of Batman's main rogues get's bullied by another one. I mean, it's cool if Harvey tries to intimidate Ivy or Joker the Penguin, but I don't like seeing any of them back down or act week. The backup also gave a little hint at the climax of all this. Not bad at all.
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Don't want to make people angry by spoiling this but the February solicits reveal

Jason Todd is probably going to die. Which really upsets me and confuses me. What does this mean for the title. Will it become 'The Outlaws'

>:(

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It wasn't just Morrison's interpretation, he just highlighted those characteristics in particular. Those characteristics are largely what define Batman.

You seem to be trying pull some kind of rank while questioning my knowledge of the character. Batman is the ONLY comic book character I have read almost all of the issues of and know intimately. So yes, I've read all of the Batman/Joker crossovers and am more than familiar with the character.

I read issue 13. It isn't an excuse for Batman's ineptitude and incompetence in this issue. It doesn't matter how smart or tricky or chaotic Joker is. Batman should have at least tried to analyze the situation more. Please note, I have no problem with Batman falling for Jokers traps, in fact I was expecting it and looking forward to seeing the details. What I have a problem with is the way it happened. Batman should have been on high alert and essentially been paranoid, but he wasn't.

His approach was to get Gordon to a safehouse, when he should have been freaking out, especially watching Gordon take a pill. Joker has gotten to people in similar ways before, and if Batman knew Joker was reenacting certain events...

Batman was written as incompetent, just to make Joker look good. Its the same problem that was in Court of the Owls, Bruce was doing stupid out of character stuff to serve the story. It's lazy writing. Snyder comes across less a student of the character, and more of a fan.

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A very good issue.

Complaints:

- The face. I don't care who draws it, how creepy it makes him look, or how it is attatched. I do not like it. And time is not making it any more pleasing to me. Joker is creepy on his own. He doesn't need his face hanging off to accomplish that. Plus, the "Joe's Garage" shirt overalls are also off-putting. Bring back the purple suit and find some way to reattatch his face after this arc and I'll be happy.

- I agree with SmashBrawler above. Something about Joker just feels a bit out of character at times. I can't place it exactly. Maybe it's the fact that Snyder is trying so hard to make Joker scary that he's leaving out other aspects of the character. Not all of the time though. Just some of the time.

Aside for that, a very interesting issue. I loved a lot of the Joker's moments. Particularly when he was explaining to Batman how he "skipped the business part" of their get-together. And also his final speech to Batman about his plans for the Bat-family (and the soap that each of them uses - lol).

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Not trying to pull rank at all. I just think your interpretation and opinion which you are entitled to is a little short sighted. As a matter of fact you are right it was not just Morrisson. That aspect of the character has been around and in many interpretations. I argue that Morrisson in my opinion amped it up considerably. Mark Waid hit it out the park with "Tower of Babel". I concede your point. I could be wrong but maybe its a New 52 directive to make Batman a little more vulnerable. He is not necessarily the "Old" DCU Batman with a lot of experience under his belt. He is a little younger and we dont know which encounters with Joker are canon to the New 52 and which ones are not. I imagine they trimmed the proverbial fat out of a lot of Bat continuity. Snyder did not want his hands tied. (The Man Who Laughs based on this issue is canon) Keep in mind the scene with Nightwing. He evades the question and seemed rattled by the idea that the Joker is coming at him like this. The Joker has never come at Batman like this. Ever. Think about it with the exception of those who know his identity, Batman has gone to great pains to protect his identity and the people who are with him. The Bat family's DNA and finger prints don't exist. He has contingency plans but I think Snyder wants to show what happens when it hits the heart of his operation. He was in denial. He tried to stay in Batman mode but emotionally he was compromised. I dont think its lazy writing at all. I think its pretty smart. We can agree to disagree. There are plenty of Batman stories we can argue where he should have anticipated some attack or event. Jeph Loeb and Alan Moore had lines in their respective Batman classics where Batman ponders the Jokers origins. As good as a Detective as he is, he cant figure out his greatest foe and now Snyder shows that his greatest foe has figured him out. I love this story man.

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This issue was awesome, but the ending was a tad underwhelming.

Personally, I love this new Joker.

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What did the penguin do to you! Penguin part was well played and brought the back up issue together.

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@Cavemold said:

What did the penguin do to you! Penguin part was well played and brought the back up issue together.

Lol!!

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The only problem that I really had with this issue is this panel.

It looks like as if Dick is smiling.
It looks like as if Dick is smiling.

Besides that I really like it.

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After reading some of these comments, some of you WANT Batman to be ubber paranoid and flawless in everything, Batman cant control or predict everything, that was the whole point of Court of the Owls, what happens to a man who wants to or thinks he controls everything losses control? Plus the Joker is completely unpredictable and the issue itself raises a good point for why Batman didnt get Jim into a safehouse as some here have stated.

Joker is completely unpredictable and since Snyder has gone the Morrison route of Joker reinventing himself, its completely impossible for anyone, even Batman who already could only react to Joker 3% of the time is practically lost in this situation, plus Jokers whole speech in the end about how Batmn actually wants the Bat family gone showed that Batman really isnt prepared for this Joker.

Ive only been reading comics for a year and I dont know much about the old continuity except the essential stories ive read from the big characters and the events, but I do like that Batman does make mistakes and there are genuine reasons for him to make these mistakes considering the circumstances of the situation he is in.

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@DarkKnightDetective: Yeah I thought that too. I had to read that panel like 3 times because that smirk was weird.

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I LOVED this issue this new joker is amazing. I think that the person who has the best chance of kicking it is Tim Drake. I hate it but they have done almost nothing with him I mean Talon got a solo series before Tim did for goodness sake....

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This book was awesome... Capullo and Snyder can stay on this book until the next reboot for all I care. ( I also thought Batgirl #14 was 5 stars this week too. If you got some spare coin, you should really pick that one up too.)

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@CircularLogic: You realize thats pretty much the whole point of this arc right. That Joker has figured Batman out when Bruce has for years and years tried to figure out Joker. Plus I think that Batman knows that Joker is partially right about him going soft and that eats at him.

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Any chance you guys will be reviewing all of the Death of the Family issues from other series? I know this one will be good until the end, but I'm curious if any of the Batgir, Nightwing, etc. will be worth picking up!

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One thing that makes Snyder's Batman stories so amazing is the suspense. I was genuinely afraid to turn the page. Afraid I'd see Alfred dangling from the rafters.

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...... All my exclamations, tears, screams, swearing, nightmares and suspense belongs to you, Snyder. You really got my emotions tied in a pole, waiting for the next hit.....

I guess is a good thing..... r-right?!?

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What about my opinion is short sighted? After Batman's experience with the Joker in Man who Laughs, you would think he would tell Gordon not to rink the water, or to at least be suspicious or give him a blood test. But no, he just wants to take him to a safehouse dismissing the possibility Joker may have already gotten to him. That is what is out of character and makes him seem inept.

You may be right that in the new 52 they want to make him less calculating and more vulnerable, able to be surprised. To do so takes away a lot from the character IMO.

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This issue like all of Snyder's run was great. Capullo is still ace on art. Nothing bad at all to say. This Joker makes a month seem too long.

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@MuyJingo said:

@danhimself said:

@MuyJingo said:

ummm...it did...he knew Gordan was next but not what the Joker was going to do....he knew exactly where the Joker would be but the Joker knows Batman just as well as Batman knows Joker...they're evenly matched when it comes to the detective skills....people seem to underestimate the Joker and think that he's just a psychotic clown themed thug but the Joker is a genius and he's an unpredictable genius at that

He knew Gordon was next and wanted to take him to a safehouse. Despite having many experiences where Joker has already gotten to the target with a slow acting poison or something similar. Batman shoulod have known better, at least tried to anticipate something like that. A safehouse? It's lazy writing.

you can't predict every action that a psychopath is going to take...especially the Joker...he did the best he could...Batman isn't "Batgod"...if he predicted everything then there wouldn't be any threat of danger or peril

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Actually,isn't it in character for joker to be cunning.The reason batman "falls for it" is explained by gordon,he is way too unpredictable.It's actually perfect,the world's greatest detective's arch nemesis is someone that is nigh-unpredictable.You'd think that after all their encounters joker wouldn't know what batman would do,he isn't stupid.

And he isn't less capable,batman is not an invincible bat-god,the only reason it seems that way is because he goes against average,mindless crooks,or people who don't use their brains.But batman always waits for the right moment to deduce their weak spot,whenever he can....arkham city is basically like lightning in a bottle.

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@danhimself said:

@MuyJingo said:

@danhimself said:

@MuyJingo said:

ummm...it did...he knew Gordan was next but not what the Joker was going to do....he knew exactly where the Joker would be but the Joker knows Batman just as well as Batman knows Joker...they're evenly matched when it comes to the detective skills....people seem to underestimate the Joker and think that he's just a psychotic clown themed thug but the Joker is a genius and he's an unpredictable genius at that

He knew Gordon was next and wanted to take him to a safehouse. Despite having many experiences where Joker has already gotten to the target with a slow acting poison or something similar. Batman shoulod have known better, at least tried to anticipate something like that. A safehouse? It's lazy writing.

you can't predict every action that a psychopath is going to take...especially the Joker...he did the best he could...Batman isn't "Batgod"...if he predicted everything then there wouldn't be any threat of danger or peril

Sure. I'm saying the problem isn't that batman fell for a trip, it's that he didn't even suspect something was already amiss, He should have given his prior experience.

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@MuyJingo: A safehouse isn't lazy writing,if it was in the apartment room next to them,that's one thing,I don't even see how a safe house is lazy writing...

joker is unpredictable,it's kinda like how he is in arkham city....he's definitely not stupid,and he knows batman's moves.

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@Booster_Bronze: I wanna see joker without his face too

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@MuyJingo: WAIT,NEVER MIND....I see what your talking about.But I think you should also know that batman has set up various bat-bunkers/safehouses throughout gotham. He's not gonna take them back to the batcave for safety.And obviously their not safe where they are.

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@MadeinBangladesh: it's creepy as f*ck.....and redefines joker as something more than a crackhead/joke (no pun intended) villain.

Seriously,most versions of joker are no more deadly than the one from btbatb.

BUT at the same it is definitely in character

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