Avengers: X-Sanction #1 - Midnight

I still don't know how Cable could tangle with Iron Man! Guess I'll have to wait and see.

yet again a valiant and memorable death has been pooped on for sales. great job marvel. kudos!

@Volpe said:

I still don't know how Cable could tangle with Iron Man! Guess I'll have to wait and see.

Cable is as resourceful as they come. Plus he has technology from the future.

@Volpe said:

I still don't know how Cable could tangle with Iron Man! Guess I'll have to wait and see.

Cable is as resourceful as they come. Plus he has technology from the future.

cable looks like arnold yuk

"X-Sanciton"? It shows up like that on the main page.

I thought this was pretty good. 4 star seems like a good rating to me. I pretty much agree with everything that Tony said. I love Cable and was really sad when he died. I think it's too soon to bring him back but I like they way they're doing it so far. Definatly feels like an introductory issue. I can't wait to see the way this plays out and I love watching Cable tak eout Avengers by himself one by one.

i know cable is a good tactian and all but i just dont see him beatin the avengers

I always thought Cable could at least use his powers some more. And why does he still have the techno-virus if he's returned from death. I find it a little too soon, but I shall accept it for now, until the inevtiable comic book death of someone else in X-men vs Avengers. I much prefer the unhinged and unhindered Stryfe.

Im still pisst at loab for touching Nova

It looks fun but i'm not sold on it buying it just yet, I may jump n later

Ironman with a bullet in his head = WIN!! :D

That... was awful.

There's no explanation of why Cable is alive, he exploded during the Second Coming event, and now he's just... somewhere.

It's retarded. And seriously, this book is Loeb still being sad about his son's death. Seriously, the last page is just Loeb saying he's sorry that he could not do something about his son. He's writing this book as a fantasy where he could save his child.

That's all kind of sick, It's too personal of an agenda for a huge marvel event lead-in.

And I understand that losing a loved one really hurt and makes a huge hole in your life, but he keep doing power fantasies about that subject since his son died and he's losing quality in his writing.

FANTASTIC. LOEB IS ON ANOTHER POWER FANTASY AND IS USING CABLE SAVING HOPE AS AN ESCAPE FROM HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO SAVE HIS SON. JUST GREAT.

JUST RETIRE, LOEB.

@Mokey: Totally useless and insensitive comment. Please think before you post something cold like this.

@Drakoji said:

That... was awful.

There's no explanation of why Cable is alive, he exploded during the Second Coming event, and now he's just... somewhere.

It's retarded. And seriously, this book is Loeb still being sad about his son's death. Seriously, the last page is just Loeb saying he's sorry that he could not do something about his son. He's writing this book as a fantasy where he could save his child.

That's all kind of sick, It's too personal of an agenda for a huge marvel event lead-in.

And I understand that losing a loved one really hurt and makes a huge hole in your life, but he keep doing power fantasies about that subject since his son died and he's losing quality in his writing.

@Mokey said:

FANTASTIC. LOEB IS ON ANOTHER POWER FANTASY AND IS USING CABLE SAVING HOPE AS AN ESCAPE FROM HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO SAVE HIS SON. JUST GREAT.

JUST RETIRE, LOEB.

- If you want to critique his work go right ahead, but save the amateur psychology and have some tact

- Whatever the reasons are for your dislike of his writing, dragging the loss of his son (of far greater importance than any comic story) into a post to grind his name through the mud is low class, stick to whats on the page.

@WarMachineMarkV: thank you....good sites like this go down because of this sort of thing.

@Skage:

@WarMachineMarkV:

I'm sorry that you can't see it when it's right there in front of your eyes. No, I will not apologize for stating a fact. I am sorry he lost his son, but it's been affecting his work ever since it happened. He clearly has a life he needs to sort out. Stories and characters are suffering because he refuses to do so.

@Mokey: You have no facts except your cold, insensitive opinion.

@Skage:

@WarMachineMarkV:

It's still true. It's not low class, like I said it's fine to be sad and having a hard time about these things, but he should stop writing about these things, it's too personal and feels reaaaaly awkward.

And it's not because you have written 2 pseudo classic batman books that are really overrated that you are untouchable from critiques.

And it's on the page! Read the last page of the comic, it's REALLY clear that it's all about his child.

@Skage:

I did just say I was sorry he lost his child.

If Cable has his TK and TP coupled with his training and skills that makes him many times more dangerous. I am interested to see what becomes of this.

@Mokey said:

@Skage:

@WarMachineMarkV:

I'm sorry that you can't see it when it's right there in front of your eyes. No, I will not apologize for stating a fact. I am sorry he lost his son, but it's been affecting his work ever since it happened. He clearly has a life he needs to sort out. Stories and characters are suffering because he refuses to do so.

- There is a huge difference between not seeing and not blaming the dead for it, I actually have class so I would not pose a statement like you have chosen to.

- Regardless of if it supports your view or not, there are things you just don't drag into the mud, if you cannot realize this, you are a sad person.

- Blame the writer all you want, just leave his dead child out of it.

@WarMachineMarkV:

I'm not blaming his kid, but I can't exactly ignore him when it's a big part of what's wrong with this story. I'm not dragging his kid through the mud at all. I'm not blaming him for Loeb's problems. I'm just referencing him.

So I can't blame the writer if he channel the death of his son in all his work and do some really stupid stories about my favorite fictional universe because of it?

It's a gary-sue story and that's a fact.

@Mokey said:

@WarMachineMarkV:

I'm not blaming his kid, but I can't exactly ignore him when it's a big part of what's wrong with this story. I'm not dragging his kid through the mud at all. I'm not blaming him for Loeb's problems. I'm just referencing him.

- The tone of your first post lent more precedence to the quality of the story than the loss of the child, that was my issue

- This post is a lot more clear in what you mean and I have no issue with it

@Drakoji said:

So I can't blame the writer if he channel the death of his son in all his work and do some really stupid stories about my favorite fictional universe because of it?

It's a gary-sue story and that's a fact.

- No, blame him all you want on the quality, but as with the other poster I had issue with, the tone of your post showed you cared a lot more about some bad comic stories than the factors behind them.

- Do I think Loeb's recent work has been good, not really, but there are far worse out there who have nothing so heavy on their minds.

- Is the loss of his child affecting the quality and/or direction of his writing, how could it not. Any major event in a writers life will translate into their work in some manner,

- Am I going to use it against the writer and his work, no.

- If you don't like it, don't read it.

my only huge gripe with the issue is that cable has worked with the avengers before and knows they wouldn't prevent something from happening unless totally necessary so him, being a time traveler and all, not checking his facts i think is short sighted.

i do want to address what some of the insensitive creeps are saying. the fact is cable and bishop do this sort of stuff. it's how they came to be actually. going through the time stream to prevent something from happening. cable trying to prevent a nuclear winter of supposedly hope not being there is pretty in character for him considering he views her like a daughter and that's pretty much the 1-2 plan of everything he does. to chalk up something as "bad" because the writer lost his son is completely asinine. i'm not someone who defends loeb blindly since i can't forgive with he did to the ultimate universe, but if you're going on what cable does as a pure relation to what loeb feels then maybe that's why he was chosen to helm the series. it's about cable doing what he has always done to protect his daughter from utter devastation this time and possibly the world as well. it could end up blaquesmith is duping him and could be pointing cable in this direction for a purpose and he could be doing the wrong thing, which is possible as well. i just think it's pretty low that because the story is about a father risking all he can to save a child, being written by a guy who just might have those feelings, and people getting mad about it is completely and utterly juvenile. anyone who read the description of the book knew that cable would most likely coming back for hope. if you had such problems with loeb's writing and saw he was writing this, you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. your need to bitch about it says way more negative things about you then the guy who's getting paid to relate to a super hero on an emotional level does any day.

@WarMachineMarkV:

A lot of comic writers or people in general that lives their life will have to face rough spot in life, and they will have to go through them.

I lost some dear people recently and I had to keep doing my job and pay my rents, and my boss expect me to keep the same quality in what I do.

What I want to say is that yes it's sad, but he need to pass over it and be a good writer again, he's really stuck on these things and Marvel seems to keep giving work that mirror that really sad story about him and his son. And like I said, it just feels wrong, I don't want to be part in his mourning.

@GBrutality:

It's not bad because it mirrors his son's death, it's bad because it's simply badly written, the dialogue sucks, mostly Cable's inner monologue.

The setup is bad, we have no idea why Cable is not dead at the end of Second Coming, we saw him exploded and now he's fine? whaaaa.

And the way that Loeb always have to write his new Gary-Sue as all powerful and make him always win (I can already tell that this will turn into a Rulk scenario, remember Rulk punching the Watcher or holding Mjolir?...) The way he finished Capt was stupid, the shield could not stay stuck like that because of it's round shape...

And I have no choice to buy it if I want to understand AvX...

@Drakoji said:

@WarMachineMarkV:

A lot of comic writers or people in general that lives their life will have to face rough spot in life, and they will have to go through them.

I lost some dear people recently and I had to keep doing my job and pay my rents, and my boss expect me to keep the same quality in what I do.

What I want to say is that yes it's sad, but he need to pass over it and be a good writer again, he's really stuck on these things and Marvel seems to keep giving work that mirror that really sad story about him and his son. And like I said, it just feels wrong, I don't want to be part in his mourning.

@GBrutality:

It's not bad because it mirrors his son's death, it's bad because it's simply badly written, the dialogue sucks, mostly Cable's inner monologue.

The setup is bad, we have no idea why Cable is not dead at the end of Second Coming, we saw him exploded and now he's fine? whaaaa.

And the way that Loeb always have to write his new Gary-Sue as all powerful and make him always win (I can already tell that this will turn into a Rulk scenario, remember Rulk punching the Watcher or holding Mjolir?...) The way he finished Capt was stupid, the shield could not stay stuck like that because of it's round shape...

And I have no choice to buy it if I want to understand AvX...

- Losing a love one is a terrible thing, but losing a child trumps them all, I know someone this has happened to and going through it is a long term ordeal. There is no comparison to how it affects you and how hard it is to deal with.

- As a writer, like anyone with a creative profession, their lives and especially the events most recent and relevant to them will make its way into their work, its not something they can just turn on and off out of convenience.

-It is likely just as awkward for Loeb to put these things on page as it is for you to read it, the poor guy is obviously hurting, just give him a little leniency under the circumstances and keep the comments towards your other points.

- Thinking he should just "pass over it" and get back to writing the way you like it shows you just do not get it

I agree completely that it felt too short. I guess for a four issue mini that is supposed to lead into something bigger, I would have wanted more. If the other 3 issues are the same length, I'd rather have had them combined to two issues and released bi-monthly instead. The fight between Cap and Cable was good, though I'm still not sure why Falcon disappears and Cap goes after him alone.

@Drakoji said:

@WarMachineMarkV:

A lot of comic writers or people in general that lives their life will have to face rough spot in life, and they will have to go through them.

I lost some dear people recently and I had to keep doing my job and pay my rents, and my boss expect me to keep the same quality in what I do.

What I want to say is that yes it's sad, but he need to pass over it and be a good writer again, he's really stuck on these things and Marvel seems to keep giving work that mirror that really sad story about him and his son. And like I said, it just feels wrong, I don't want to be part in his mourning.

@GBrutality:

It's not bad because it mirrors his son's death, it's bad because it's simply badly written, the dialogue sucks, mostly Cable's inner monologue.

The setup is bad, we have no idea why Cable is not dead at the end of Second Coming, we saw him exploded and now he's fine? whaaaa.

And the way that Loeb always have to write his new Gary-Sue as all powerful and make him always win (I can already tell that this will turn into a Rulk scenario, remember Rulk punching the Watcher or holding Mjolir?...) The way he finished Capt was stupid, the shield could not stay stuck like that because of it's round shape...

And I have no choice to buy it if I want to understand AvX...

Side stepping the whole emotive issues being raised, I'd just like to point out that you didn't see Cable explode at the end of Second Coming - as "Man, his whole body exploded! Did you see his head fly off!! Dude is definitely dead!!". You only saw his arm being blown off and Cable being propelled backwards by the blast -trapped in the future possibly dead, or possibly alive. His death was only ever implied as a potential outcome of the explosion. No-one ever saw definitive proof of his death, like they did with Nightcrawler (an arm smushed through the heart is pretty definitive!). McGuiness even copies the scene from Second Coming in this issue, to remind people that it was only his arm being blown off. So I have to defend Loebs explanation as being perfectly reasonable and logical.

Where logic possibly breaks down however is Loeb referring to Cable timesliding to the far future and then back to the present. Given that, in Second Coming, Cable only had power/tech for one more time slide into the Bastion controlled future and the whole premise of his sacrifice was that he was holding an Sentinel time portal back to the present open, I'd like to know how he can suddenly timeslide again!

@Mokey said:

FANTASTIC. LOEB IS ON ANOTHER POWER FANTASY AND IS USING CABLE SAVING HOPE AS AN ESCAPE FROM HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO SAVE HIS SON. JUST GREAT.

JUST RETIRE, LOEB.

You're disgusting. Go back underneath whatever rock you crawled out from.

@Daycrawler said:

Where logic possibly breaks down however is Loeb referring to Cable timesliding to the far future and then back to the present. Given that, in Second Coming, Cable only had power/tech for one more time slide into the Bastion controlled future and the whole premise of his sacrifice was that he was holding an Sentinel time portal back to the present open, I'd like to know how he can suddenly timeslide again!

Maybe Blaquesmith gave him a new time machine or fixed his old one so he could time travel again.

This issue has me stoked. Can't wait for more.

@Drakoji: dont take his writing out on his family dude, thats just....not cool, you dont know that for sure and when cable exploded it dragged him through the time stream...just dont hit below the belt, tthats lame man

@PrioritySeven:

How about you read the rest of the thread, first, then I'll go back under by rock.

@Static Shock:

Yes sir!

I feel it was a badly written issue and will not be reading the rest.

(Thanks for helping with a quest.)

I love the variant of this first issue.

I am excited to read this as it will be a quick mini and ties into what I hope is going to be a great cross over event.

@chumzwolf said:

i know cable is a good tactian and all but i just dont see him beatin the avengers

Its Jeph Loeb. If Marvel allows him to, he'd write a story in which Galactus gets owned by Squirrel Girl.

I can't read this. I just...I can't do it.

I can't read this. I just...I can't do it.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@The Dark Huntress said:

I can't read this. I just...I can't do it.

Good. Good. Feel the hate within you.

Is there any reason to read this?

LOL CABLE KILLS CAP MY ASS WHAT THE HELL MARVEL FIRE SOME ONE ALREADY!

This is the biggest disappointment of 2011 easily. The art is trash, It looks like a knock off "Duke Nukem", sorry I do not see Cable or Captain America being in favor of this mediocre, no heart in this effort at all. The story is ridiculous and the art is the worst rendition of super heroes ever. I'm going to burn this comic I wish I never had laid eyes on the preview. "NUFF SAID!"