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Avengers Vs. X-Men #8 - Round 8

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Namor unleashes his fury against the Avengers and there will be casualties. An interesting development could change the course of this story.

The Good

Namor with the power of the Phoenix Force. It's an absurd notion yet the potential of what he could do is something many of us would want to see. He may only have a fifth of the full Phoenix Force power but he's going to show the Avengers (and Wakanda) that it is more than enough. Little by little we're seeing signs that the Phoenix Five may not be in complete control of the power they possess. It makes perfect sense that they could be easily consumed by it since they have not been prepped for it nor do their previously existing powers line up with the requirements the Phoenix hosts have had in the past.

The Avengers have been highly skeptical over five members of the X-Men gaining a portion of the Phoenix Force and it's looking like the X-Men might soon be having internal problems (as we saw last issue with Namor and Emma).

The Avengers are on the run and that's the plot point I'm digging in this second half of this series. It reminds me of Cap's Secret Avengers during Civil War. There's something about seeing the underdogs pull together to take on the big guys. And Namor with his attitude and newfound power is about as bad as it can get. This means we can see the Avengers really try to cut loose. Even though we've been seeing the two teams fight in the beginning of this series, they weren't exactly going all out against each other.

Adam Kubert's pencils are a joy to see. Not only do we get to see his pencils but seeing him draw so many characters makes you want to pause and check it out. This is the kind of art these action scenes need.

The Bad

Unfortunately the art was the best part of this issue. The fight goes towards a massive scale but Namor attacking Wakanda and the Avengers, where do you think the fight will go or how long will it last? There is one development that happens and the Avengers 'secret weapon' but the rest almost feels like build up. We know there has to be another big turning point so it feels like we're sitting around waiting for it to happen. It's a strange feeling since the series comes out twice a month, you'd think it'd have a faster paced feel. Maybe onece a month could have worked.

The Verdict

Who wants to see Namor unleash his Phoenix powers against the Avengers? The fighting is starting to feel more intense as it's past time to take off the kid gloves. We had a turning point when members of the X-Men got a portion of the Phoenix Force. They appeared to be doing good things but Namor's actions could be seen as yet another turning point. We know all this is going to explode but unfortunately that gives the story a feeling of sitting around waiting for it to happen. Adam Kubert's art is great. He has plenty of characters and action to draw. But the art can't carry the entire issue. We know something is coming. There are some developments here. We'll have to wait to see what happens next.It's time for the Avengers to start fighting back. I have a feeling that final fight is going to be something.

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This is event' sort of reminds me of the book "Clockwork Orange" and now Highlander, now that Act 2 is over lets see how Act 3/finale will end. Now I'm betting on Xavier dying at the end of this event.

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I really liked this issue though I do agree about the avengers secret weapon. Also I love me some Xavier.

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Xavier threatening Scott was definitely the highlight of this issue....who wants to bet that the Phoenix Five are beaten until Scott has all of the Phoenix Force at the end

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After reading FF#608 I am wondering if T'challa told Storm what would happen to Wakanda  regarding the Phoenix Force. If not I wonder why? But over all it was a solid issue. 

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Why would the Atlanteans follow Namor? He seems to be in Utopia most of the time nowadays.

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I won't be reading it until that massive trade comes out in a few more months, but, seriously, why hasn't Thor just soloed them all regardless of Phoenix powers?

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@AlKusanagi said:

I won't be reading it until that massive trade comes out in a few more months, but, seriously, why hasn't Thor just soloed them all regardless of Phoenix powers?

One of them effortlessly took him out.

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@Kallarkz said:

@AlKusanagi said:

I won't be reading it until that massive trade comes out in a few more months, but, seriously, why hasn't Thor just soloed them all regardless of Phoenix powers?

One of them effortlessly took him out.

Cyclops owned him solo, and so did Emma.

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Spider-Man had the best lines in the whole issue. Xavier is getting pretty epic, as he should be

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Because Thor's not powerful enough to solo. It was a pretty good issue. I'm really enjoying this series.

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This really felt like a filler issue, as it seems the whole point of this issue was to set up the next one as well as foreshadow the end of the arc.

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3, 6, and 8 were the only issues I've liked out of this entire event.

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I think people just love to hate events because this event is not bad at all, and IMO is way better than the "best book out right now" Daredevil, which is solid but should not even be spoken in the same sentence as Bendis's run on the book.

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this book is hit or miss. I liked this issue but the story is just dragging on and on. end it already.

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Loved this issue personally. Some excellent fights. Xavier is ominously back into the thick of it. Avengers being run ragged and running out of ideas. Wanda being shown as having some sort of upper limit re: fighting the P5. Awesome art. Finally, Rulk gets what's coming to him! Go deranged nutbag Namor (who gets what's coming to him too)! So many things in the mix now that the story could take any number of interesting turns.

I really like how Cyclops is the one out of the P5 that is seems to be holding it together out of all of them, given how early indicators were that he'd be the worst. Cap's logic is a bit crazy in this issue though, with the whole view of "See, I knew they'd turn bad!" after spending the last couple of issues attacking them and pissing them off when they were doing good. It's like punching someone in the nuts and then being surprised that they hit you back.

Bring on the next issue!

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@Pbott said:

I think people just love to hate events because this event is not bad at all, and IMO is way better than the "best book out right now" Daredevil, which is solid but should not even be spoken in the same sentence as Bendis's run on the book.

Agreed. Brubaker's, too.

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In the first page it shows who is on the Avengers and who is on the X-men, it says Beast is on team avengers, but if you buy the " Im with the X-men" variant of the issue, the X-man character that is coloured in is Beast, so im confused, was this just a hiccup or is this supposed to mean he will switch sides or something?

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WHERE THE FLARK WAS TRANSONIC?!

I was worrying about her all last issue, and now she's nowhere to be seen!

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Oh please, don't tell me Big Red kicked the bucket! (the fact I'm stuck in Europe means I can't read any of this until I get back :C).

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My biggest problem with this event is the complete lack of Cable. Did the writers forget that he exists? Cable's X-Saction was the precursor to this event. Hope cured his techno organic virus, he should be good to go. I can't believe that he hasn't even been mentioned, seeing how his daughter is in the middle of this thing.

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@rdprime said:

My biggest problem with this event is the complete lack of Cable. Did the writers forget that he exists? Cable's X-Saction was the precursor to this event. Hope cured his techno organic virus, he should be good to go. I can't believe that he hasn't even been mentioned, seeing how his daughter is in the middle of this thing.

I talked to Jason Aaron about this when he did signing at my local comic shop for AVX. What he said was because its two different teams of writers and they did not collaborate together even though both were written at the same time. But he did say that Cable will have a big part after AVX and now that Marvel NOW has been revealed as well as Cable's dossier on the Point One cover I guess he was right. I would have liked to see Cable in AVX at well. Just wait till issue 12. Maybe he will show up in the background or something!

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If this event is supposed to change the marvel U where are the FF in all this.

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Thing was too heavy to fit through customs, so they left him behind while they went of vacation.

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Mu problem with this issue is Namor fighting the Avengers. He was an Avenger longer than he's been a X-Man. Him and Captain America are old war buddies. I just don't get why he would be like this. It must be the Phoenix messing with his blood condition and everything goes out the window.

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He he, it's me or looks like Spidey is going to take a big role on next issue

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@Miss_Garrick said:

Mu problem with this issue is Namor fighting the Avengers. He was an Avenger longer than he's been a X-Man. Him and Captain America are old war buddies. I just don't get why he would be like this. It must be the Phoenix messing with his blood condition and everything goes out the window.

Namor owes the X-Men for helping rebuild and basically restarting New Atlantis plus he is a mutant and said he wanted to stand with his people and even called Beast coward for joining the Avengers over the X-Men

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This issue was easily the most annoying out of what has been an up and down event.

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

I think the Cap would have been quick to make this Cyke's fault and not Namor's regardless of writer continuity but they were hitting home on Cyke a little too hard in an issue that was basically about Namor going rogue and turning the whole thing to pot. The X-Men are the villains in this one no matter how nuts that seems to people like me. Sad.

But for the love of Pete if you are writing collaboratively read the other books... Or something. I need an excuse to funnel my hatred of this issue into.

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@rawr said:


Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880


oh my god I hope he was joking.  He must have been.
 
I thought it was up and down.  Some good points.  This series has been annoying in terms of continuity.  Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series.  And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this?
 
I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke.  I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end.  They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism.  But I am betting they let it drop.
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@Owie said:

@rawr said:

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

oh my god I hope he was joking. He must have been.

I thought it was up and down. Some good points. This series has been annoying in terms of continuity. Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series. And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this? I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke. I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end. They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism. But I am betting they let it drop.

yea your right it just seems cap is desperatly looking and waiting for them to mess up just once. I think on the insdise cap was happy namor attack or one of them so he can finally prove to people how right he was abouth the xmen and blame everything on them.

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@stormphoenix said:

@Owie said:

@rawr said:

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

oh my god I hope he was joking. He must have been.

I thought it was up and down. Some good points. This series has been annoying in terms of continuity. Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series. And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this? I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke. I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end. They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism. But I am betting they let it drop.

yea your right it just seems cap is desperatly looking and waiting for them to mess up just once. I think on the insdise cap was happy namor attack or one of them so he can finally prove to people how right he was abouth the xmen and blame everything on them.

Does BMB kid? The Secret Avengers to New Avengers to UXM to W&TXM threading throughout AvX has been wonky as heck. Things are happening in the non-AvX books before AvX and vice versa. Timeline headache.

I think that the Cap was out for Cyke even before AvX started when they had a squabble in UXM earlier this year on how Team Extinction handled a situation. It is plausible that he would blame all this on Cyke even when it is Namor alone raining down on them. The Cap definitely wanted the "haha I am right" moment and he seems to have gotten it. Honestly I just see this all as more bricklaying for the eventual Cyke death which was chanted for at SDCC apparently.

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@rawr said:

@stormphoenix said:

@Owie said:

@rawr said:

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

oh my god I hope he was joking. He must have been.

I thought it was up and down. Some good points. This series has been annoying in terms of continuity. Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series. And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this? I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke. I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end. They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism. But I am betting they let it drop.

yea your right it just seems cap is desperatly looking and waiting for them to mess up just once. I think on the insdise cap was happy namor attack or one of them so he can finally prove to people how right he was abouth the xmen and blame everything on them.

Does BMB kid? The Secret Avengers to New Avengers to UXM to W&TXM threading throughout AvX has been wonky as heck. Things are happening in the non-AvX books before AvX and vice versa. Timeline headache.

I think that the Cap was out for Cyke even before AvX started when they had a squabble in UXM earlier this year on how Team Extinction handled a situation. It is plausible that he would blame all this on Cyke even when it is Namor alone raining down on them. The Cap definitely wanted the "haha I am right" moment and he seems to have gotten it. Honestly I just see this all as more bricklaying for the eventual Cyke death which was chanted for at SDCC apparently.

And that's exactly why i'm so mad at cap.....I love captain america, but is this really him? the cap that everyone respect, and loves he is like a caniving(sorry if spelled wrong),wicked,sneaky man ;-(

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I think people just love to hate events because this event is not bad at all

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Yeah, I think people are just hating this for the sake of hating it. It's pretty solid.

Oh, and I'm almost 70% sure that Red Hulk ends up dying. I think that's why Red She Hulk is gonna be taking over the "Hulk" series.

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@mattwing87:

That's unfortunate, but understandable. You'd think that Marvel would have had better communication between creative teams, especially for a year long event. Here's hoping Cable shows up before the end. Thanks for the info though. Really appreciate that.

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It took all the Avengers to take down phoenix? Seriously, Rex wasn't hurt, and it was Scarlet Witch who deals the direct damage to take him down. Thor was caught like a piece of rag by Namor. I'm surprised they didn't even give Scarlet her due credit.

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namor was pretty sick in this issue. This story really pisses me off though. the whole p5 thing is pretty cool i guess but i feel like things are too out of wack now. avengers take hope. hope is on their side for whatever reason. x-men are of course the bad guys. cyclops is still of course the "jerk"... wanda has some type of connection to the P force. hope is I'm guessing destined to beat the P5. I'm slowly forgetting why they were fighting in the first place. What was the purpose of X-sanction? and prof x and cyclops going at it all of a sudden? the prof should be threatening the avengers or namor for fing everything up. idk. maybe i just want cyclops to win. we all know that wont happen. X-men were the underdogs and were going to lose right from the start.

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@stormphoenix said:

@rawr said:

@stormphoenix said:

@Owie said:

@rawr said:

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

oh my god I hope he was joking. He must have been.

I thought it was up and down. Some good points. This series has been annoying in terms of continuity. Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series. And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this? I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke. I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end. They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism. But I am betting they let it drop.

yea your right it just seems cap is desperatly looking and waiting for them to mess up just once. I think on the insdise cap was happy namor attack or one of them so he can finally prove to people how right he was abouth the xmen and blame everything on them.

Does BMB kid? The Secret Avengers to New Avengers to UXM to W&TXM threading throughout AvX has been wonky as heck. Things are happening in the non-AvX books before AvX and vice versa. Timeline headache.

I think that the Cap was out for Cyke even before AvX started when they had a squabble in UXM earlier this year on how Team Extinction handled a situation. It is plausible that he would blame all this on Cyke even when it is Namor alone raining down on them. The Cap definitely wanted the "haha I am right" moment and he seems to have gotten it. Honestly I just see this all as more bricklaying for the eventual Cyke death which was chanted for at SDCC apparently.

And that's exactly why i'm so mad at cap.....I love captain america, but is this really him? the cap that everyone respect, and loves he is like a caniving(sorry if spelled wrong),wicked,sneaky man ;-(

I agree.  I like Cap, and I like old-school Cyke before he became a jerk.  But I think they're trying to turn Cap into the same kind of guy that Cyclops is now.  Which, to me, is just ruining two perfectly good characters.  Maybe Cyke will turn back to a boyscout after seeing what Cap is turning into?
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@AlKusanagi said:

I won't be reading it until that massive trade comes out in a few more months, but, seriously, why hasn't Thor just soloed them all regardless of Phoenix powers?

Because Thor's been getting jobbed throughout this entire spiel. He's gotten his ass kicked in five different books now. I'm not even sure I can take him seriously anymore.

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@SaintJohn: Yeah, but I still can't see it.

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@sparty-dbq: Thor got spanked in Secret Avengers, in AvX VS with Phoenix-ed Emma, and again here in AvX8. Not very God-like. :/ Which are the other 2 he got clocked in?

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Tho lets look at the big picture for a second. A few people in this read have already agreed characterization is ridiculous in this event. I liked the idea of the event but I dislike the blatant manipulation of multiple characters (Cyke, Cap, Thor) to fit what they want the event result to be whether it fits with the previous characterizations of these heroes or not.

Also I am not surprised the X-Sanction team got no say in AvX even though it was supposed to be the lead into AvX. There is a lot of missed connections between the side stories and the main AvX title. Also I feel I just have to say again... BMB "joked" he didn't even read 2-7 before writing 8.

People aren't hating on AvX just because event books are bad. Event books can be great, crossovers can be great. Civil War and House of M were great IMHO because I felt the writing felt consistent and true to the characters being portrayed in it. (of course I could have just verbally spat in someone's face in their option.) Its writing inconsistency that bums people out. AvX as an event has had great moments but as a big picture its a mess. Just my personal opinion.

(Personally I am still trying to get over why and how people are picking sides given their histories and the absurdity that Rachel aka Phoenix aka Marvel Girl was never brought in to consult about the Phoenix Force until after the entire situation blew up.)

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@Owie said:

@stormphoenix said:

@rawr said:

@stormphoenix said:

@Owie said:

@rawr said:

Brian Michael Bendis admitted on twitter to not even having read 2-7! http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/225335892464762880

oh my god I hope he was joking. He must have been.

I thought it was up and down. Some good points. This series has been annoying in terms of continuity. Hope has been in Kun Lun for multiple issues in other comics, yet just arrives there now in the main series. And over in Uncanny, the
--how does that relate to this? I do think Cap is unraveling, he's really seeking out reasons to blame Cyke. I hope there's some decent person-to-person resolution between them in the end. They could do something really great with that, make it a bonding moment after a great schism. But I am betting they let it drop.

yea your right it just seems cap is desperatly looking and waiting for them to mess up just once. I think on the insdise cap was happy namor attack or one of them so he can finally prove to people how right he was abouth the xmen and blame everything on them.

Does BMB kid? The Secret Avengers to New Avengers to UXM to W&TXM threading throughout AvX has been wonky as heck. Things are happening in the non-AvX books before AvX and vice versa. Timeline headache.

I think that the Cap was out for Cyke even before AvX started when they had a squabble in UXM earlier this year on how Team Extinction handled a situation. It is plausible that he would blame all this on Cyke even when it is Namor alone raining down on them. The Cap definitely wanted the "haha I am right" moment and he seems to have gotten it. Honestly I just see this all as more bricklaying for the eventual Cyke death which was chanted for at SDCC apparently.

And that's exactly why i'm so mad at cap.....I love captain america, but is this really him? the cap that everyone respect, and loves he is like a caniving(sorry if spelled wrong),wicked,sneaky man ;-(

I agree. I like Cap, and I like old-school Cyke before he became a jerk. But I think they're trying to turn Cap into the same kind of guy that Cyclops is now. Which, to me, is just ruining two perfectly good characters. Maybe Cyke will turn back to a boyscout after seeing what Cap is turning into?

Yes correct you are so right. I dont want to pick either side because I'm just so mad at certain characters ex when I heard that my second favorite character which is thor gut punch an young x-men I was furious,then my fav character storm gets her but beat, not only that........nevermind im starting to get angry about all of this. I just want this to end

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oh, who didn't see that coming? i've been thinking since the force got spread out between five people that it would more than likely end up with cyclops being with the power, eventually taking it from the others out of the need for it, and losing it somehow. or possibly emma frost gaining it since she does have qualities the phoenix is attracted to.

also, it wasn't really that clear, but what was the secret weapon? was it that portal thing that totally wasn't a weapon?

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Getting a little fed now, the first act was a waste of time, the second art had a lot potential dealing with the concepts of power and accountability. but this issue was waste of time. this series biggest problem is too many writers, too many artists.

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@rawr: The other two books are Avengers and Wolverine and the X-Men. Though the Avengers and Secret Avengers portions of AvX contradict each other so much that I doubt both of them should be considered canon.

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Seeing as it's X-men taking the reins at the moment I'd bet that the Avengers will somehow win. But I'd like for that not to happen.

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@sparty-dbq: Thor got spanked in Secret Avengers, in AvX VS with Phoenix-ed Emma, and again here in AvX8. Not very God-like. :/ Which are the other 2 he got clocked in?

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Tho lets look at the big picture for a second. A few people in this read have already agreed characterization is ridiculous in this event. I liked the idea of the event but I dislike the blatant manipulation of multiple characters (Cyke, Cap, Thor) to fit what they want the event result to be whether it fits with the previous characterizations of these heroes or not.

Also I am not surprised the X-Sanction team got no say in AvX even though it was supposed to be the lead into AvX. There is a lot of missed connections between the side stories and the main AvX title. Also I feel I just have to say again... BMB "joked" he didn't even read 2-7 before writing 8.

People aren't hating on AvX just because event books are bad. Event books can be great, crossovers can be great. Civil War and House of M were great IMHO because I felt the writing felt consistent and true to the characters being portrayed in it. (of course I could have just verbally spat in someone's face in their option.) Its writing inconsistency that bums people out. AvX as an event has had great moments but as a big picture its a mess. Just my personal opinion.

(Personally I am still trying to get over why and how people are picking sides given their histories and the absurdity that Rachel aka Phoenix aka Marvel Girl was never brought in to consult about the Phoenix Force until after the entire situation blew up.)

From top to to bottom -- perfectly expressed and I agree. For me it's like the characters have become puppets for the writers, their histories disregarded to push through this event. They could have had the same results, just some more effort and consistency would have been great. To me as along time fan of the X-Men (and also Avengers although not to such a strong degree), its disappointing.

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Cap should bring in the original Human Torch to put Namor in his place.

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@Miss_Garrick: If you start questioning the feasibility of this event too much, you will find it is built on a rather weak foundation. Better not to think about it and enjoy it for what it is: an excuse to have a bunch of superheroes fight each other (again).

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@Daycrawler:

Oh please, don't tell me Big Red kicked the bucket! (the fact I'm stuck in Europe means I can't read any of this until I get back :C).

Nah, he's still alive so don't worry! Won't say what happens tho.... ;)

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Lol, once I get started, I can't stop. I'll look everywhere until I see for myself what happened. :P (the best would be if #9 doesn't come out until late August, but I'm not holding hope over that happening.)

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