Avengers Vs. X-Men #5 - Round 5

i read uncanny x-men frist and at the end i was like omg what the hell happend in avsx??

i didnt expected that... but i bet no one did

now i am really looking forward to avengers academys next issues

i mean emma will have some work there so now it could be really intresting haha

I was pleasantly surprised with this issue, I thought it was a significant step up from previous issues, although that might be due to my significantly lowered expectations.

Hawkeye telling Emma to shut up was my favorite, i still dont really care for AvX.

too generous with your stars, this issue was as poor as the rest... worst part was tony starks 'optimus prime' armor that disrupted the phoenix

@Bestostero said:

Hawkeye telling Emma to shut up was my favorite, i still dont really care for AvX.

Same here haha.

Still not giving a hoot about this arc. 5 issues in should have meant the end of the series by now, not the beginning of it.

Plus JrJr should go back to school to learn to draw better lines. His artwork so far stinks.

"Not a lot has really been happening."

"If you've been waiting for something to happen in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN, this is the issue for you."

What?

Plus JrJr should go back to school to learn to draw better lines. His artwork so far stinks.

why does summers look like Nightwing in the end?

Marvel has really gone out of their way to make the X-men look like a bunch of chumps in this series. Have they won a single battle? I wonder what the results of the fights would have looked like if X-men First Class 2 had been released instead of the Avengers. I had hoped that the showdown on the moon would be a more balanced fight, but it wasn't to be. Also, if you're going to have the entire "Extinction" team on the moon, leaving out Magneto was an obvious plot device to keep him from wrecking Iron Man's Voltron-suit. I'm calling it here folks, AvX and I are seeing other people.

"Testing is for suckers. We're men of science."

I LOLed, it's kinda truth at the end they NEVER test things it's always like

"We have the weapon ready but isn't tested yet"

"Then let's test it now" or "I hope it works fine"

This is the first issue I had a problem with, some of it was the art, the rest of it is wondering how Cyclops got everyone to drink his kool-aid, seriously, he used to be a little unfriendly, now he is just a tool

Anyway, the guy at my comic shop STRONGLY advised that I read this before Uncanny X-Men. I honestly don't think it would've made that much of a difference.

@The Black Hood: I think they made the x men look so bad in the first half mainly due to the fact that the x men seriously destroy the avengers later... in the up and coming solicitations..

Of course most of the fights were odd... colossus was stomping Rulk until he held back... magneto was about to destroy magneto until he felt the PF and let iron man beat him... magik beat strange OFF PANEL The avengers are mostly brawlers were as the x men have all types of powers its obvious there curving there abiltys & fights so that they can let lose in the end..

tho I find it funny tho how the main book isnt as interesting as the tie ins...

I liked this issue. At least this issue leaves you wanting to know more. I agree with the rating.

@sparty-dbq: LOL at the Spoiler comment.

wow It was unexpected to see that the Phoenix choose the X-men instead of Hope. It is obvious, that Tony Stark made a huge mistake because that beam instead to kill the Phoenix, did provoke a shatter state, Big trouble, good job, Iron Man.But there are some questions about this unexpected event and they are:

1. How Cyclops knew that the Phoenix was meant for Hope?

2. Why the Phoenix choose those specific mutants? I know that it shatter the Phoenix but it choose the mutants over the Avengers, so what is the backup plan of the Phoenix now that Hope is ''dead''?

3, Does Cyclops knew all the plan of the Phoenix because he never lose the psychic connection with Jean?

4. Where the hell is coming back Jean Grey because the Phoenix is Jean Grey?

5. What is the real purpose of Hope that she is meant to do beside be possessed by the Phoenix?

6. What Namor meant that Hope need to be ready for what comes next? There is a higher threat coming to Earth that only the Phoenix can defeat?

I believe they need to explain many doubts around this event specially when they gonna bring back Jean Grey. I still believe she is the key to all this problem and Hope is just a simple tool needed by Jean.

Remember this pic when White Queen knew something important all along about that threat related to the Phoenix and she tried to tell to Cyclops what she knew and always happened something that prevented to reveal that important detail. Emma Frost even tried to kill Hope a couple of times, why? we don't know. The Phoenix choose to reveal something to Emma, why? we don't know. Prepare for what? In my conclusion, I believe there something going on here that we don't have a f***ing clue of what it is and how it gonna affect the X-Universe but it's certain that I believe is a dramatic return of Jean Grey because Hope is just the last fragment of the Phoenix that is needed to make a new closure to this scrambler plot and problems made around Jean and the Phoenix. We'll see what next to come.

My only question is the Juggernaut issue with colossus. other than that, i think this issue really turned me back onto the series. I do have to say, though, that i think it is funny that the tie ins are better than the actual issues.

Someone's gotta slap some sense into Cyclops. The Phoenix killed entire planets on it's way to earth. THOUSANDS OF BILLIONS OF SPECIES were killed and went extinct because Scott wanted to save 200 people. I'm glad we've finally gotten to the point where we can accept that the X-men are the villains of this story so that we can just move on, defeat them, and forget this ever happened.

@Dman1366: If brings Piotr back to normal then I support it!

In response to Colossus possessing even more power…HE IS EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS HIM!

This is Fear Itself 2.0

Think about that.

Eh. It was Ok. More than I expected.

You're too generous with your rating. This issue does not even deserve one star. Seriously, Marvel is just trying too hard to destroy Phoenix's history and its power.

@Cafeterialoca: Exactly! That's what I thought....

Are we finally going to get better artwork in this event. See unlike everyone else at comicvine that are not the reviewers I like Marvel, And I like this event so far it's just I do not like John Romita, Jr. art in big event series. It was caused me to think World war hulk was ok.

-everyone is skrull

-everyone is spider-man

-everyone is thor

-everyone is phoenix

What's next? Everyone is Wolverine? X-Men: The Sniktbubetting?

Was genuinely surprised at that ending. I did get a bit of a smirk when I saw Tony built ANOTHER armor, cuz that's so Iron Man it hurts, lol. Having the Scientist Supreme help out made for a convincing plot armor to save the day.

Wish it didn't feel like these issues fly by when reading them though.

I don't know how I feel about this issue. Strange :/

Thank god!! No more John Romita Jr. Oliver Coipel make us proud.

Not really spoilers but Cyclops knew about Hope because Cable told him in the mini-series before this. No Hope = future even worse than it was under Apocalypse.

Scumbag Wolverine: Goes on and on, in issue after issue, about never wanting to kill a child. Only person that tries to kill Hope, twice.

I'm a JR Jr fan, and I have to admit I am not liking the art too much. The X-men's new costumes are cheesy, especially Cyclops' visor. They look sort of 90s and overly motif-ed and half-naked for no reason. Previous Phoenixes were not really known for showing their skin.

I thought more could have happened this issue. More ridiculous fights. Black Widow vs Illyana?!! Half the Avengers on the moon couldn't even hurt most of the X-men on the moon.

And why bother putting Prof. Xavier and Legion in the set of squares on the first page when they're only in one useless panel? Honestly with the X-men's combined psi power (including Xavier, Legion, Rachel, Emma, Quire, Psylocke, etc.) the X-men should have such an absurd superiority over the Avengers it's ridiculous.

Plus having Tony and Hank build anything that could in any way majorly disrupt the Phoenix force takes their scientific/engineering abilities to an absurd level. Why is there any problem on earth they can't solve in a day if they can do that? Why not build similar machines to solve the recurring problems with Celestials, Galactus, the Infinity Gauntlet, etc.? It takes their science skills too far and makes every heroic deed a literal deus ex machina.

I want to like this series, and more or less have so far, but I'm getting annoyed. I am at least looking forward to them doing something new with the Phoenix.

This series isn't quite that good so far but good thing they changed artists and hopefully the story gets better

True ending to THe House Of M

So I guess the chosen Phoenix 5 gets Zords, too???

@Bobzenub said:

-everyone is skrull

-everyone is spider-man

-everyone is thor

-everyone is phoenix

What's next? Everyone is Wolverine? X-Men: The Sniktbubetting?

Hey...Hey...

Hey...

Spider-Island was awesome.

I think this is probably the best issue so far, that was the last thing I would have thought to happen.

@TheThisGuy said:

Scumbag Wolverine: Goes on and on, in issue after issue, about never wanting to kill a child. Only person that tries to kill Hope, twice.

I am laughing so hard about this. Even in the Wolverine and the X-Men AvX issues (a series I had been avoiding because Wolverine annoys me) some of his own refused to step in line with his way of thinking. Finally Rachel showed up and said "Hello? Remember me? I actually was the Phoenix and didn't go nutbar?"

Wolverine went cranky over a Gen Hope team member being a child soldier in Schism and started his school to "find a better way" yet throughout AvX all he has wanted to do his put his claws through Hope's eye sockets. Also he is still running X-Force in secret ages after Cyclops called it quits.

So who is the homicidal prick? And why does everyone constantly bag on Cyclops? This isn't about saving the few versus the many. If folks actually read Avengers X-Sanction they would know Cable told Cyclops that Hope HAD to survive. She is a Summers adopted or not and its a weird family that is used to time shifting and destinies and all sorts of nonsense. Of course Cyclops would do exactly what he has been doing this entire series because at the end of the day he chose the survival of mutant kind over everything else. He believes in Hope and doesn't think the planet is going to blow up. If anyone was still reading Uncanny X-Men they would have seen the X-Men face off against the planet getting squashed by Mr. Sinister playing around with toys he shouldn't be. Cyclops is not a d-bag out to destroy the planet, but simply secure the survival of his people. Tho lets not spend 50 pages on the psychology of Cyclops which is genuinely hard to read these days as his wonderful thought bubbles from the 60s/70s are gone. I really laugh at people calling the X-Men the villains of this series. If they end up being painted that way it is simply because the Avengers movie made a ridiculous amount of money.

Ive been keeping up with this series since the begining and this is by far the best issue cant wait till next week when the new one comes out

@Bestostero said:

Hawkeye telling Emma to shut up was my favorite, i still dont really care for AvX.

That's why I love Hawkeye. Colossus will get Thor's hammer next.

Why is it that Marvel hasn't had a halfway decent event since Civil War?

The very idea that Tony Stark and Hank Pym can build an anti-Phoenix armor over a few days has officially shattered my mind. First the X-Men stand up to the Celestials and give laughable speeches as if they had a say in anything, now the Avengers can counter cosmic beings over a long weekend with a lab and pot of strong coffee.

I really hope the repercussions of this event do not dominate the Marvel U for long, it's so bad at this point it's either laugh or cry.

Worst issue of the series. I actually enjoyed the previous issues, but this one had way too much against it. Way too many splash and 3 panel pages and way too little dialogue. The actual content of this issue could easily have fit into a back-up story. Also, why is it that whenever there is a huge explosion, the only guy to get seriously burned is the one with the healing factor?

***Spoilers in my rant*** 
 
Yep Hawkeye shoots arrows at Frost, how could she stop that, Black Widow walks up and grabs Ilya's sword, no way to avoid that.... The Thing beats Namor under water. Cap beats Gambit with one hand while on a cell phonw. Cyclops becomes Nightwing. The Phoenix can only possess mutants. I tried Marvel, but I'm done, at least try to make some sense. Maybe let Whedon in as your new CEO