Starchilde/Bright Lady: A Rachel Grey-Summers Respect Thread

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Collaborating with a group of knowledgeable Users to get some Respect Threads for Mutant Telepaths up. And since this particular character is quite possibly my favorite as well as the reason I started reading comics. I thought I'd be the best one to take on the challenge of this thread.

Rachel Grey:

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Rachel Grey-Summers is the daughter of Cyclops and Jean Grey from the Days of Future Past Timeline. Surviving the destruction of the X-Mansion and deaths of many X-Men including Charles Xavier, a young Rachel was captured and brainwashed into becoming a mutant hunting Hound. She eventually breaks free of her conditioning and following several failed attempts at saving her world from the Sentinels, a teenage Rachel is transported to the 616 timeline where she would come to live with and eventually join the X-Men. As a combination of both the Grey and Summers bloodlines she is purported to be a being of incredible potential.

POWERS and Abilities- While Rachel often displays a Phoenix Raptor, Energy Field, Eye Emblem and even uniform. She has only had the Phoenix Force during specific periods in her life. As such unless otherwise stated in my description I will NOT be including Phoenix Force Feats for her TK and TP abilities.

1. Telepathy

2. Telekinesis

3. General Psionics

4. Time Manipulation

5. Phoenix Feats

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1- Telepathy- Rachel Grey has nearly unlimited telepathic potential. Capable of scanning minds around the planet, reading, controlling and manipulating thoughts, as well as shielding minds from other powerful telepaths. She can also astral project, send messages across great distances and enter and do battle on the Astral Plane.

  • Power Levels - She has been stated by Emma Frost to be more powerful then her, and shortly before his death during Avengers vs X-Men Rachel comments in conversation with Charles Xavier that she and he are the two most powerful minds on the planet. The Shiar classify her a "9-tau-9 on the Kiatna Psi Scale" and a serious threat even without her Phoenix abilities. Shortly after IvX, during the X-Men Gold series, a confrontation with Nanosentinels lead to Rachel confronting her own subconscious restraints she'd had on her powers and lead to her greatly increasing her own abilities.
Claims to be one of the 2 most powerful telepaths on the planet during AvX.
Claims to be one of the 2 most powerful telepaths on the planet during AvX.
Compares raw strength to Emma Frost
Compares raw strength to Emma Frost
Shortly after arriving in the 616 timeline a young rage amped Rachel unleashes psi bolts on Xavier's level
Shortly after arriving in the 616 timeline a young rage amped Rachel unleashes psi bolts on Xavier's level
Exchanges enough telepathic power with Xavier to send debris flying
Exchanges enough telepathic power with Xavier to send debris flying

O.N.E. and SHEILD files from the Decimation Era describe her as having virtually unlimited telepathic powers
O.N.E. and SHEILD files from the Decimation Era describe her as having virtually unlimited telepathic powers

  • Offensive Telepathy- Rachel is powerful enough to overwhelm notably powerful psychics and unleash psychic attacks powerful enough to penetrate the defenses of shielded minds.

Able to down Psylocke in a single blast
Able to down Psylocke in a single blast
Able to penetrate the mental defenses of a Stormcaster enhanced and make her relive her DoFP death
Able to penetrate the mental defenses of a Stormcaster enhanced and make her relive her DoFP death

Penetrates Xavier Jr's Psi shields without his knowing and finds out he's evil
Penetrates Xavier Jr's Psi shields without his knowing and finds out he's evil

Charles Xavier Jr, a telepath capable of dominating multiple telepaths, while producing Psionic Constructs, controlling his teammates and combatting Teenage Jean Grey is overwhelmed by Rachel in one shot during Astral combat
Charles Xavier Jr, a telepath capable of dominating multiple telepaths, while producing Psionic Constructs, controlling his teammates and combatting Teenage Jean Grey is overwhelmed by Rachel in one shot during Astral combat
Able to oneshot Omega Level Mutant and Telepath Quentin Quire, for trying to penetrate her defenses.
Able to oneshot Omega Level Mutant and Telepath Quentin Quire, for trying to penetrate her defenses.

Bypasses Storm's consciousness and takes over her powers.
Bypasses Storm's consciousness and takes over her powers.

Able to repeatedly mindblast undefended minds without tiring
Able to repeatedly mindblast undefended minds without tiring

Mindblast a room filled with genetically engineered Aliens from the most dangerous species in the universe while talking to her teammates
Mindblast a room filled with genetically engineered Aliens from the most dangerous species in the universe while talking to her teammates

  • Other Telepathic Feats: Cloaking:
Able to block Xavier from sensing Phoenix Namor without knowing he was there. Xavier warns that Rachel is as much of a threat as he is
Able to block Xavier from sensing Phoenix Namor without knowing he was there. Xavier warns that Rachel is as much of a threat as he is
Blocks the perceptions of a mass of people to make the X-Men appear to have vanished
Blocks the perceptions of a mass of people to make the X-Men appear to have vanished

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Using a their psi-bond she contacts Cable through time from 2 billion years in the future (No Phoenix)
Using a their psi-bond she contacts Cable through time from 2 billion years in the future (No Phoenix)
Astral Projects from X-Mansion to Chicago
Astral Projects from X-Mansion to Chicago
Astral Projects self from Shiar space to Earth
Astral Projects self from Shiar space to Earth
Reads the mind of a Shiar Captain in Earths orbit.
Reads the mind of a Shiar Captain in Earths orbit.

  • OTHER:
After tapping into her full potential for the first time, she is able to destroy an entire city filled with nano sentinels that were vulnerable to TP
After tapping into her full potential for the first time, she is able to destroy an entire city filled with nano sentinels that were vulnerable to TP
Previously taking one down created a backlash that KOd her. After tapping her powers she is able to destroy a city wide infestation from Central Park.
Previously taking one down created a backlash that KOd her. After tapping her powers she is able to destroy a city wide infestation from Central Park.

She is able pull Cyclops onto the astral plane and have a conversation in between one second and the next
She is able pull Cyclops onto the astral plane and have a conversation in between one second and the next
After being brainwashed by Saurians she blocks Bishop and Nightcrawler from accessing their powers
After being brainwashed by Saurians she blocks Bishop and Nightcrawler from accessing their powers
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With Exodus claiming to be more powerful then ever before, Rachel is able to shield her team of X-Men from him, battle him on multiple psychic fronts and after the X-Men have warn him down, she is able to place mental blocks on him to stop him from using his powers.
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Is able to sense Darwin's consciousness hidden in energy form deep inside of Vulcan and seperate them
Is instantly able to free Iceman from the mind control of Thanos' general Supergiant
Is instantly able to free Iceman from the mind control of Thanos' general Supergiant

Was able to engage and temporarily manipulate an above Omega-Level Mutant when a Cerebro boosted Exodus was killed attempting to read his mind
Was able to engage and temporarily manipulate an above Omega-Level Mutant when a Cerebro boosted Exodus was killed attempting to read his mind
Projects images into Matthew Malloys mind.
Projects images into Matthew Malloys mind.
Alters perceptions of a crowded nightclub to disguise the X-Men as police officers
Alters perceptions of a crowded nightclub to disguise the X-Men as police officers

As a former hound Rachel is especially adept at searching for and tracking psionic signals.
As a former hound Rachel is especially adept at searching for and tracking psionic signals.
Scans for organic energy signatures of the Fenris twins
Scans for organic energy signatures of the Fenris twins

After splitting her powers with Rogue, is able to pull Friendless (a stronger telepath mindcontrolling the armies of a space station housing 2 billion people) onto the astral plane and force him to function as a supercomputer to make calculations. -X-Men Legacy V1 #258
After splitting her powers with Rogue, is able to pull Friendless (a stronger telepath mindcontrolling the armies of a space station housing 2 billion people) onto the astral plane and force him to function as a supercomputer to make calculations. -X-Men Legacy V1 #258

  • -She has also downloaded memories into others minds, instantly trained a Teenage Jean Grey to protect her mind from Telepaths, and created powerful psi-bonds with her baby brother as well as several teammates.

2. Telekinesis-Rachel is stated to have unlimited telekinetic abilities with many molecular level telekinetic feats as well as many powerful shielding, Energy blast, lifting and crushing feats. While recent depictions showcase her using Telepathy and Psi weapons, she has favored raw power and short shows of strength when angered or spurred into quick actions.

  • Raw Strength:

While her brother Cable is fighting the Silver Surfer his floating city Providence begins to fall and Rachel catches it with her TK.
While her brother Cable is fighting the Silver Surfer his floating city Providence begins to fall and Rachel catches it with her TK.
The City Providence.
The City Providence.

To contain the Fury and stop it from regenerating she crushes the molecules around it in order to create a micro blackhole.
To contain the Fury and stop it from regenerating she crushes the molecules around it in order to create a micro blackhole.

Able to block a hit and floor Thor while also attempting to enter his mind
Able to block a hit and floor Thor while also attempting to enter his mind

Young Rachel lashes out with TK after a psychic attack and destroy Xavier's office sending him and Magneto throught the roof and putting multiple holes in the room.
Young Rachel lashes out with TK after a psychic attack and destroy Xavier's office sending him and Magneto throught the roof and putting multiple holes in the room.
After being mind controlled by Cassandra Nova, a rage amped Rachel punches her hard enough to break through her TK shield
After being mind controlled by Cassandra Nova, a rage amped Rachel punches her hard enough to break through her TK shield

Molecular Telekinesis: Rachel has been established since she entered the 616 to be a molecular level telekinetic able to rearrange, dismantle and manipulate molecules at will. Something even the strongest telekinetics can't do. She's been shown to sometimes conciously and subconsciously change her clothing and appearance. She has also been shown to weaponize this ability into a powerful blast.

Changes her and Psylocke's clothing
Changes her and Psylocke's clothing
After being manipulated into believing she was a Saurian, she subconsciously alters her own DNA with telekinesis eventually taking on a full reptilian appearance
After being manipulated into believing she was a Saurian, she subconsciously alters her own DNA with telekinesis eventually taking on a full reptilian appearance
Uses molecular level telekinesis to defeat a Warskrull in a single shot
Uses molecular level telekinesis to defeat a Warskrull in a single shot
Senses Kitty being attacked and subconsciously changes from her street clothes to her Hound uniform for the first time.
Senses Kitty being attacked and subconsciously changes from her street clothes to her Hound uniform for the first time.

After saving Kitty she changes back.
After saving Kitty she changes back.

  • Shields: Rachel can create powerful Psi-Shields that can withstand explosives, energy blast and even orbital bombardment.
Resist Jovian Atmospheric pressure with TK shield
Resist Jovian Atmospheric pressure with TK shield
Survives cave in that destroyed a village
Survives cave in that destroyed a village
Blocks Thor's Hammer.
Blocks Thor's Hammer.
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Links TK with Psylocke's in order shield Chicago from a Shiar orbital strike. They then reflect the energy beam back into orbit to destroy the ship.
Links TK with Psylocke's in order shield Chicago from a Shiar orbital strike. They then reflect the energy beam back into orbit to destroy the ship.
Quickly creates a shield to protect civilians from an airships weapons.
Quickly creates a shield to protect civilians from an airships weapons.

Speed:

Stops bullet fired at point blank range.
Stops bullet fired at point blank range.
Turns bullet fired at her and sends it back at the shooter.
Turns bullet fired at her and sends it back at the shooter.

  • OTHER:
Reflects Captain America's shield with enough force to send him flying over Giant-Man
Reflects Captain America's shield with enough force to send him flying over Giant-Man
Seals a hole ripped in a space station by a missile
Seals a hole ripped in a space station by a missile
Uses Telekinesis to rip apart aliens attacking Jubilee
Uses Telekinesis to rip apart aliens attacking Jubilee
Pushes aliens back with Tk wall.
Pushes aliens back with Tk wall.
Is hit by the Fury and sent flying over 250 miles, from Braddock Manor in Maldon, England to the Irish Sea. Psi Shield allows her to survive although dazed.
Is hit by the Fury and sent flying over 250 miles, from Braddock Manor in Maldon, England to the Irish Sea. Psi Shield allows her to survive although dazed.

Lifts up and then dismantles a tank telekinetically
Lifts up and then dismantles a tank telekinetically

3. GENERAL PSIONICS: Rachel can use her psionic powers in various other ways, most commonly however is disguising her Hound Markings subconsciously.

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4. Time Manipulation- Since her first appearance Rachel has displayed the ability to send minds forwards and backwards through time. While this ability has not been used in some time, it has most commonly been shown through her Chronoskimming ability. Rachel has stated that without the Phoenix force to protect them it's difficult to bring bodies through time, but after learning to "manuever through time" from the Phoenix Force she was able to travel with herself and Cable across time without restriction.

In her first meeting with Cable she avoids a rock slide by traveling 10 seconds into the future. (Has Phoenix at this point)
In her first meeting with Cable she avoids a rock slide by traveling 10 seconds into the future. (Has Phoenix at this point)
Sends Adult DoFP Kitty's mind back in time to 14 year old 616 Kitty Pryde's body
Sends Adult DoFP Kitty's mind back in time to 14 year old 616 Kitty Pryde's body
Travels from 2 billion years in the future back to the Present by going further into the future first. (Despite the costume and flaming hair, it's explained that she has lost the Phoenix at this point.)
Travels from 2 billion years in the future back to the Present by going further into the future first. (Despite the costume and flaming hair, it's explained that she has lost the Phoenix at this point.)
As Mother Askani, Rachel pulls Scott and Jean's minds 2000 years into the future to raise and train a baby Cable.
As Mother Askani, Rachel pulls Scott and Jean's minds 2000 years into the future to raise and train a baby Cable.
  • 4th Dimensional Pulse: Rachel emits a Fourth Dimensional Temporal Shield that makes her an sometimes those around her immune to alterations to reality and the timeline.
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  • Temporal Uniqueness: Do to some unknown ability (possibly her connection to Phoenix or her own Time Related abilities) Rachel is unique in the multi-verse.

During House of M. Rachel's uniqueness allowed her to be shifted into the White Hot Room where all realities intersect. She however is only able to see versions of her from different points in her life instead of alternate universe variations.
During House of M. Rachel's uniqueness allowed her to be shifted into the White Hot Room where all realities intersect. She however is only able to see versions of her from different points in her life instead of alternate universe variations.

  • Other Time Powers: On at least 2 occasions with and without the Phoenix Force Rachel has been pulled into the White Hot Room outside of time.
After being poisoned and dying 2000 years in the Future. Rachel meets with her Past and Future selves before using the Phoenix Force to Resurrect herself.
After being poisoned and dying 2000 years in the Future. Rachel meets with her Past and Future selves before using the Phoenix Force to Resurrect herself.

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5. PHOENIX FORCE- Rachel is a former, and one of the longest lasting, host of the Phoenix Force. Having found her time traveling astral form after the events of DoFP the Phoenix would follow and lay dormant inside of Rachel for a time. After bringing her to this world the Force's power would be ignited by Rachel coming into contact with the essence of Phoenix Jean Grey. Rachel's power as Phoenix would continue to grow during encounters with Shadow King, Galactus and the Beyonder. After a battle with the sorcerer Necrom and his ancient fragment of the Phoenix Force Rachel would die and be resurrected by the Force and given access to it's full power.

With the power of the Phoenix Rachel can fly through space, open portals across vast distances, manipulate cosmic energy, and sense the fundamental powers of the multiverse. The Force also increases her natural mutant powers allowing her even stronger telepathy and telekinesis, while ampifying her Time Traveling abilities to the point she can traverse realities as well as time and space unaided.

Awakens the power of the Phoenix Force by bonding with Jean's essence
Awakens the power of the Phoenix Force by bonding with Jean's essence
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After awakening the power of the Phoenix Force, she tracks down and unleashes an immense crash of power in an attempt to kill the Beyonder
After awakening the power of the Phoenix Force, she tracks down and unleashes an immense crash of power in an attempt to kill the Beyonder
Gathers the life essence of the X-Men and the Starjammers to unleash a Neutron Blackhole in the M'Krann Crystal
Gathers the life essence of the X-Men and the Starjammers to unleash a Neutron Blackhole in the M'Krann Crystal
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The Beyonder attempts to retake the powers he gave to Rachel but is overwhelmed by her.
The Beyonder attempts to retake the powers he gave to Rachel but is overwhelmed by her.

After Mastermind tricks her into letting him tap into the Phoenix Force by pretending to be Franklin Richards Rachel lashes out at him
After Mastermind tricks her into letting him tap into the Phoenix Force by pretending to be Franklin Richards Rachel lashes out at him

Steals back the Phoenix power Mastermind was given and leaves him in a coma.
Steals back the Phoenix power Mastermind was given and leaves him in a coma.
Stops a speeding subway train
Stops a speeding subway train
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Senses Baby Cable's fear during the Inferno arc and flies from England to New York to save him
Shields Excalibur from a mini nuke before being teleported away by a device feeding on her powers
Shields Excalibur from a mini nuke before being teleported away by a device feeding on her powers
After a draining trip through time and space returns home to find Galactus and his Herald waiting for her
After a draining trip through time and space returns home to find Galactus and his Herald waiting for her

Hit Nova from the Excalibur light house to the moon in annoyance.
Hit Nova from the Excalibur light house to the moon in annoyance.

When Nova returns from the moon at Full speed, Rachel catches her and throws her at Galactus knocking him down - Excalibur v1 #25
When Nova returns from the moon at Full speed, Rachel catches her and throws her at Galactus knocking him down - Excalibur v1 #25
Opens a Stargate during her fight with Necron (who is in control of a dark version of the Phoenix Force) to a dead part of the Universe.
Opens a Stargate during her fight with Necron (who is in control of a dark version of the Phoenix Force) to a dead part of the Universe.
Hits Necron deep into a Planet and then takes Magma from the planets core.
Hits Necron deep into a Planet and then takes Magma from the planets core.
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Battles Necron throughout a solar system. Throwing asteroids and moons at eachother. Survives the creation of a sun in front of her and then the destruction of the sun.
Overloads Necron by giving him the full power of the Phoenix while reuniting the Phoenix Force with the Anti-Phoenix for the first time in thousands of years
Overloads Necron by giving him the full power of the Phoenix while reuniting the Phoenix Force with the Anti-Phoenix for the first time in thousands of years
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The reunited Phoenix Force, in control of Rachel's body, battles and defeats Galactus destroying a planet in the process
The Phoenix Force gives up it's consciousness leaving Rachel with all of it's full power.
The Phoenix Force gives up it's consciousness leaving Rachel with all of it's full power.
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Uses the Phoenix to bring Excalibur to the DoFP timeline after hearing a cry from DoFP Kitty Pryde
KO's Cable despite his defenses and senses their connection.
KO's Cable despite his defenses and senses their connection.

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Drains Sienna Blaze's powers to recharge the Phoenix force. (This is after using the Force to repair all the damage Blaze had done to the Ecosystem using her powers)
After using her powers to switch places with a time lost Captain Britain, Rachel emerges 2000 years in the future and immediately destroys a group of Apocalypse' soldiers
After using her powers to switch places with a time lost Captain Britain, Rachel emerges 2000 years in the future and immediately destroys a group of Apocalypse' soldiers
Can sense the latent Telepathy in a young Blaquesmith despite technology 2000 years in the future reading him as normal
Can sense the latent Telepathy in a young Blaquesmith despite technology 2000 years in the future reading him as normal

The Plague, a mutant who releases a poisonous disease is purified by Rachel
The Plague, a mutant who releases a poisonous disease is purified by Rachel
After being overwhelmed by poison, uses the Phoenix's power to resurrect herself
After being overwhelmed by poison, uses the Phoenix's power to resurrect herself
While fighting Nero (Apocalypse's second in command and power stealing vampire) Rachel has a vision of the future and sends all of the Phoenix Force into Nero and overloads her before Rachel saves her by setting the Phoenix Force free.
While fighting Nero (Apocalypse's second in command and power stealing vampire) Rachel has a vision of the future and sends all of the Phoenix Force into Nero and overloads her before Rachel saves her by setting the Phoenix Force free.
Rachel reveals that while she was releasing the Phoenix Force she used it's power to turn Nero human
Rachel reveals that while she was releasing the Phoenix Force she used it's power to turn Nero human

PHOENIX ECHO: While in space pursuing the Omega Level mutant Vulcan, Rachel encounters a Echo of the Phoenix Force trapped in the weapon of a former Phoenix Force Host. After gaining it's power Rachel notes that it's less powerful, but easier to control then the Fully Powered Phoenix Force. She would eventually lose this power when the Phoenix began recalling it's pieces to the White Hot Room.

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Blocks the Phoenix blade. And absorbs it's powers do to the Phoenix's affinity for her.
Blocks the Phoenix blade. And absorbs it's powers do to the Phoenix's affinity for her.
Blows up the Skull of a Shiar Death Commander strong enough to beat Gladiator
Blows up the Skull of a Shiar Death Commander strong enough to beat Gladiator
Disables and destroys a Shiar fleet
Disables and destroys a Shiar fleet
Trades Blows with Gladiator
Trades Blows with Gladiator

TO BE CONCLUDED WITH......MOTHER ASKANI FEATS!

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#2 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Isn’t that End of Grey’s scan Emma Frost?

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#3 Edited by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: On the bottom with Scott yes. It's a feat for both of them technically.

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#4 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Okay. The lighting made it diffult to surmise.

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#5 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

“Hold that thought girl.”

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#6 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Back when she even fainted with dignity

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#7 Edited by cattlebattle (17684 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread

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#8 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: You know Cattle. As someone else who I know on some level appreciates Rachel. You'd think you'd be more supportive of my attempts at celebrating her and trying to give some insight into her character.

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#9 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: @koays: He doesn’t always have something to contribute. It’s either post a comment similar to the one he just posted, or just say moo every hour or so.

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#10 Posted by marvelfan1992 (2549 posts) - - Show Bio

great job!

Although I would not call the interaction with Quire as a one-shot, they were clearly going through stuff that we were just not shown. Not that it makes it any less impressive, just would not call it a one-shot haha.

What's this? Rachel affecting Storm's impenetrable mental defenses TWICE? :-O

This one looks like TK though?

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#12 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfan1992: The first scan is TP bolts to me because it's the only time that issue we get those lines during her attack. She's not damaging anyone physically or pushing anyone back. But she is grabbing her head in a TP pose.

Quire....meh whatever she was doing he couldnt stop her. Not a one shot though...technically...."technically".

I wanna that's WatXmen somewhere in the mid 20s but I really do need to check.

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#13 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfan1992: Sorry second scan is actually Wolverine and the X-Men v1 #2

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#14 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Issue #2? You mean Wolverine and the X-Men vol 1 #12???

@marvelfan1992: Be kind to Koays. He’s been going through a rough patch with Rachel recently. Something about marking her territory in the house.

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#15 Edited by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Lol no I mean WatX-Men Vol 1 issue 2.

Didnt even realize what you said to Marvelfan. Congrats Pyrofn.....YOUR ON THE SHIT LIST!!! IM MARKING MY TERRITORY NOW!!! EVERYWHERE YOU GO IM DROPPING TURDS!!! DEATH TO THE HEATHEN!!

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#16 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: 1) That means you never answered his second question in comment 11.

2) .....Did you just mark me as your territory?

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#17 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn:
1. No. It means it's from the second issue of WatX-Men when the Hellfire Club attacks the school on the first day. Issue 12 is where she goes on a curbstomping spree against the avengers and she KOs Quire

2. I think i did.

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#18 Posted by marvelfan1992 (2549 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays didn't notice it on here, but Rachel shut down the powers of Bishop and Kurt when she was a dinosaur. I could have just missed it though, if it's here just ignore

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#19 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfan1992: its definetly not there. I'll have to go back for the feat.

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#20 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

Calling @darthphoenix because they love Rachel.

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#21 Posted by marvelfan1992 (2549 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays here's the scan of when Rachel put blocks in Bishop's and Kurt's minds that prevented them from using their powers

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Also didn't see the Exodus stuff. Not sure if you wanted to included them or not

Can't read his mind but can keep him out of their's. Can't penetrate his defenses but can skim his surface thoughts, which allowed her to pinpoint where he would appear (teleportation). Stalemating him telepathically while he fought the x-men IRL. Installing mental blocks to prevent him from using his powers, although he was already down at this point.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5cc073360931e (791 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to say Rachel is a very powerful telepath and Telekinetic but some of the feats like oneshoting Psylocke and the other Telepaths are considered P.I.S when they have better feats like tanking telepathic attacks form far greater telepaths (BTW great respect thread)

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@marvelfan1992: Yea i have to add then as well as a feat of reversing mind control or Thanos' telepath Supergiant.

@Psy-Scarlet Quires been shown to be effected by Emma and the Cuckoos telepathic offense as well, his high ends may say he can strain to defend against higher attacks but it doesnt change Rachel's feats since every one of his higher defense feats has left him bloody.

Psylocke also doesn't have the feats to claim PIS, you can argue not being fully prepared, but Psylockes best defense feats are based around the Astral plane and resisting possession. Rachel KOing her with a Psi bolt after shes recieved a power up, when shes already been capable of generating Xavier level Psi bolts since she was a kid doesnt make that PIS.

Xavier Jr. Hit Rachel at least 2 times and was able to damage her, the first one being unexpected. She hit him once and shattered his Astral form and left him bloody....PIS that is not.

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#24 Posted by deactivated-5cc073360931e (791 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: she wasn't fully prepared but Rachel is still being a more powerful telepath makes it kinda possible but wasn't she weakened or depressed because of the hole body switching thing stated by kitty that Jean has been working with her or something...BTW I think they're kinda similar it's just Besty kinda lacks feats against other Telepaths unlike Rachel who has fought characters like Emma frost ect...

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#25 Posted by Koays (11282 posts) - - Show Bio

@psy-scarlet: Idk on the specifics of Psylocke at that point, she appears to still be in her Asian body so I'm not sure what you mean. The thing is that there is multiple levels of power Psylocke would have to argue past to prove she's on Rachel's level of power and Psylocke seems knowledgeable but doesn't have many skill feats to say she's up their either though that gap seems drastically smaller. I'd argue that while Psylocke is written more effectively with cool showings of her abilities, Rachel's showings highlight her against other telepaths and have consistently enforced her strength and standing.

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#27 Posted by PyroFN (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthphoenix: Ah, you finally arrive. Come! We have been making respect threads for Jean, Rachel, Madelyne, Emma, the Cuckoos, and plan on more in the future. Tell us what you think.

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