Rucka states Frank Castle considers sex a weakness

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#1 Edited by cody1984 (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay Greg Rucka is on the record stating that he doesn't believe Frank Castle has sex even though in almost all the different Punisher series when an attractive women would make him an offer he would have sex. This goes all the way back to the Mike Baron days and continued in Garth Ennis Punisher MAX run and beyond. I get the whole Artemis Entreri argument for celibacy but it doesn't seem to mesh at all with his past and the fact Frank has been made younger now.

CA: Because connection is vulnerability, and if there's a vulnerability in him someone will exploit it.

GR: This is why [he has] no friends, no lovers, nothing. Axel and I had an early conversation about whether or not Frank had sex. And Axel [suggested] that Frank would maybe service the machine's needs, but my response was that he doesn't need to. He's really doesn't. There's a reason why you have wet dreams. And if he has a wet dream, he can just tell himself it was about Maria. But I do think it's a very delicate nerve ending he has developed, and he has to guard it very carefully.
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So this begs the question should frank have sex with an attractive women if the oppurtunity presented itself? Or should he turn it down viewing it as a weakness?

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#2 Posted by Chaos Burn (1898 posts) - - Show Bio

Um, I don't think he has the urge to have sex ever....

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#3 Posted by RazzaTazz (11948 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is going to deep into the character's personality and needlessly creates controversy among the fans.   
 
If you are talking about whether sexual intercourse makes you more or less effective at killing people then it is hard to answer.  Depends on the person I would think, though in terms of the character, seeing as all he does is for vengeance of his dead wife, he appears to still be in love with her, so sex would be a form of cheating.  

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#4 Posted by SmoothJammin (2661 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny how theres an enzyte infomercial playing in my room, as I dozed off and left the tv on
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#5 Posted by Mr. Dead Pool (3026 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:
 Depends on the person I would think, though in terms of the character, seeing as all he does is for vengeance of his dead wife, he appears to still be in love with her, so sex would be a form of cheating.  
I agree 100% that's why I hate that What If where Frank has a kid with Elektra.
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#6 Posted by CATPANEXE (9505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Dead Pool said:
@RazzaTazz said:
 Depends on the person I would think, though in terms of the character, seeing as all he does is for vengeance of his dead wife, he appears to still be in love with her, so sex would be a form of cheating.  
I agree 100% that's why I hate that What If where Frank has a kid with Elektra.
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#7 Edited by cody1984 (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
@RazzaTazz said:

I think it is going to deep into the character's personality and needlessly creates controversy among the fans.    If you are talking about whether sexual intercourse makes you more or less effective at killing people then it is hard to answer.  Depends on the person I would think, though in terms of the character, seeing as all he does is for vengeance of his dead wife, he appears to still be in love with her, so sex would be a form of cheating.  


The argument is not him having some type of relationship that makes him less effective at killing it’s that it gives Frank's enemies a weakness to exploit.  In other words Frank having a sexual relationship with a female character wouldn't make his skills dull to the point where he could no longer sneak up on someone and break their neck.  In fact it wouldn't dull his skills at all.  The argument put forth means that if one of his enemies found out about the relationship they have leverage in dealing with Frank since they can exploit this weakness.  Sort of what Barracuda did against the Punisher in Long Cold Dark using his daughter as a tool against Frank.  Ultimately it failed but it gave Barracuda the opportunity to set things more in his favor.  In other words Rucka views Frank having sex makes him to human giving him a weakness he doesn't currently have.    

 
As far as Maria goes she has been dead for decades and the Punisher has had sex with multiple women since then so the whole I will remain loyal to her memory argument makes no real sense.   

 
@Chaos Burn said:

Um, I don't think he has the urge to have sex ever....

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#8 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh snap. 
 
But yeah, he's still married in his mind.

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#9 Posted by gravitypress (2102 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt it is the sex. I would say he feels the closeness to someone will make him soft. I think he tries to separate himself from his trauma to focus on his goal of punishing evildoers.

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#10 Posted by Clara Mass (8758 posts) - - Show Bio

His hand must be his best friend? lmao

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#11 Posted by Chaos Burn (1898 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984: Ya kinda proved my point, in my opinion. In that scan, he is not in anyway looking or sounding 'turned on'....
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#12 Posted by Do I have to give a name? (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he has sex when the opportunity presents itself, but I'd agree that he doesn't actively pursue it. In the case of his daughter it definitely presented a weakness, but sex doesn't automatically mean children (Thank God) and although he was majorly pissed off when his daughters mother died (I can't remember her name) he was by no means a broken man. In other words I don't think just because he's slept with a woman that he'd become anything like, for example Spider-man or Superman. In that he'd have no qualms about sacrificing her for "The greater good."

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#13 Posted by VprVnmSRT10 (113 posts) - - Show Bio

He just sort does the deed and moves on. Same with his "job". He does the job and moves onto the next. He doesn't let emotion affect him or get in his way.

The one thing I love about that panel is that the chick is smoking a ciggie and he is just laying there, did what he had to and is probably waiting to escape.

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#14 Posted by cody1984 (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cody1984: Ya kinda proved my point, in my opinion. In that scan, he is not in anyway looking or sounding 'turned on'....

I don't see how I proved your point since the scans show that the Punisher obviously isn't against having sex if the oppurtunity presents itself. Also you stated

Um, I don't think he has the urge to have sex ever....

Clearly this isn't the case since if he didn't have the urge to have sex he would've just told Kathryn O'Brien no.

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#15 Posted by RazzaTazz (11948 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984
But then isn't that making the common mistake of mixing up sexual intercourse with intimacy?
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#16 Posted by cody1984 (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

@RazzaTazz said:

@cody1984: But then isn't that making the common mistake of mixing up sexual intercourse with intimacy?

Yes and no. Having sex with someone can open you up to caring about that person...although even if doesn't it makes a character more human and less machine since they are fufulling a human desire (sex) instead of being beyond it. Which is essentially what Rucka is stating about the Punisher that he has lost to much of his humanity to have sex and doing so makes him to human.

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#17 Posted by iLLituracy (13582 posts) - - Show Bio
@Chaos Burn said:
Um, I don't think he has the urge to have sex ever....
I'm pretty sure he's had sex before. I think it was in his first solo miniseries where he sleeps with a woman. 
 
How much the character has changed since then, though...
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#18 Posted by Chaos Burn (1898 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy: @cody1984: I think you might've misunderstood me. I'm sure Punisher has sex, but what I'm saying is I don't think he ever gets really horny.... like he'd have sex if someone offered, but he wouldn't go out looking for it. He isn't a Quagmire!
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#19 Posted by daredevil21134 (15939 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984 said:
@RazzaTazz said:

I think it is going to deep into the character's personality and needlessly creates controversy among the fans.    If you are talking about whether sexual intercourse makes you more or less effective at killing people then it is hard to answer.  Depends on the person I would think, though in terms of the character, seeing as all he does is for vengeance of his dead wife, he appears to still be in love with her, so sex would be a form of cheating.  


The argument is not him having some type of relationship that makes him less effective at killing it’s that it gives Frank's enemies a weakness to exploit.  In other words Frank having a sexual relationship with a female character wouldn't make his skills dull to the point where he could no longer sneak up on someone and break their neck.  In fact it wouldn't dull his skills at all.  The argument put forth means that if one of his enemies found out about the relationship they have leverage in dealing with Frank since they can exploit this weakness.  Sort of what Barracuda did against the Punisher in Long Cold Dark using his daughter as a tool against Frank.  Ultimately it failed but it gave Barracuda the opportunity to set things more in his favor.  In other words Rucka views Frank having sex makes him to human giving him a weakness he doesn't currently have.    

 
As far as Maria goes she has been dead for decades and the Punisher has had sex with multiple women since then so the whole I will remain loyal to her memory argument makes no real sense.   

 
@Chaos Burn said:

Um, I don't think he has the urge to have sex ever....

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#20 Posted by joshmightbe (27562 posts) - - Show Bio

So you're saying Marvel writers are unfamiliar with Marvel continuity? That actually explains a lot about how Marvel has been going lately

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#21 Posted by Mancotron (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134: Punisher MAX: Up is Down, Black is White storyline.

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#22 Posted by cody1984 (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chaos Burn said:

@iLLituracy: @cody1984: I think you might've misunderstood me. I'm sure Punisher has sex, but what I'm saying is I don't think he ever gets really horny.... like he'd have sex if someone offered, but he wouldn't go out looking for it. He isn't a Quagmire!

I agree with you about the Punisher not going out and trying to get laid. Apparently we just misunderstood each other is all.

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#23 Posted by Chaos Burn (1898 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984: I'm sure I didn't explain myself properly to start with, glad we agreed!
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