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#2  Edited By zxc6

@wushu59:

"This is what the correction translation states from the Japanese Raws. So the one you posted is closer to the actual,"

Seem so, it make sense since both offical anime and manga translate this same way.

"Regardless, Lucci fought Zoro using his KOH for a far longer time period then he did King."

Not really? the fight of Zoro and Lucci was off screen, and there are several panels that shown he didnt have KOH.

Also like i said- Zoro didn't use all his strength and haki . just bc he used KOH at some point does not mean this on par with level of power he display with King- for example when he attack King he used a named attack KOH.

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"More then half of Zoro's fight with King was WITHOUT KOH and he clashed with King multiple times even without it."

Zoro wasnt really on King level until he got his KOH, till then he just mostly just block and dodge.

"And weezing is very clearly an extreme version of gassing out in text form so to say Zoro isn't trying and it's mid dif is being disingenuous."

I didnt say he isnt trying but that he isnt fight full power . that mid fight.

Again, you can put effort into something and at the same time not going all out, there is no contradiction here. When Zoro got real he dodge all Lucci's attacks point black and stomp him with one move.

"I already address this... If you see Zoro use it early on in the fight and later on you see it not active the ONLY LOGICAL explanation it's because he's too tiered and is reserving energy."

Buddy this called headcanon .

When Zoro next chapters will tell how exhausting the fight was and that he needed to reserving energy, then talk

"The two swords I already addressed as well. Lucci disarmed him off panel just like he did here."

bruh wat? Lucci didnt disarmed him before .. Zoro fought with only two swords at some point . he choose not to used all his three swords..

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"There is no other logical explanation when Zoro is weezing in the very same panel. He has zero reason to go from 3 to 2 swords on purpose when their in a dire situation for time."

First ,in this panel he isnt weezing

secondly, u say "there is no other explanation" as if u ignore the fact that zoro holding back

all your argument is based on headcanon over and over.

"Zoro clashed with King several times with no KOH at all. This is a non point."

First, same thing about Lucci, and unlike King- Lucci was weezing and huffing against Zoro with no KOH. More bonus points for King .

Secondly , Zoro didnt fought King on equal ground till he got KOH. until then most of the fight he just block and dodge. For example the scene of the panel u show:

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huffing and weezing while King is completely fine.

"Wtf do you mean by "get serious" 😂"

get serious = not using all his power. No idea why it so hard for u to get the gist of it buddy.

U can fight against enemy and struggle without going all out , there is no contradiction here .

"He's literally weezing through out the entire fight and beat him with a named ACOC same way he beat King. And he didn't KO'd like King either."

The whole fight was off screen so how exactly Zoro was "weezing through out the entire fight"?

Also ,Zoro used far stronger attack against King then Lucci , not just regular named attack.

"So Zoro wasn't being serious against King until his last attack where he completely overpowered him with your logic. As their final clash wasn't close at all."

huh? that not even close to be same thing. just one example is that Zoro had not of inner monologues during his fight where he very clearly say he cant do anything against King , almost die etc .

Lucci's fight was mostly off screen, Zoro didnt used all his swords, didnt use any moves beside one named attack, and dodge all his attacks point black and crush him in the last chapter . Not the same as in King's fight.

"BOTH Zoro and Lucci were shown to be exhausted and depleted by the time even land his final attack. So he literally won a battle of nutrition with some motivation by Sanji."

U really need to stop holding on headcanon.

Zoro wasnt exhausted or depleted.. all your claims are literally based on "huff huff" and "weezing weezing" this is a joke, Luffy also weezing against Bellamy and then fought a full fight with doflamingo. your whole claim is nonsense.

Show me panel next chapter that Zoro will say how stronk Lucci was and then talk.

"Zoro was not bleeding out of his head prior to fighting Lucci."

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Not really much difference in the end pal

Anyway i am not saying he didn't took damage , just that ur claim on "face's damage" as if that instantly prove somewat that Zoro went all out is dumb and baseless.

"Nice way to ignore the context. lmao"

lmao of course completely miss the point

U can weezing and bleeding and struggling without going all out, Luffy was miles above bellamy yet he still took damage and got tired and "huff huff" . And then he went and fought a full fight with Doflamingo . Going by your logic Luffy high diff Bellamy because he "weezing weezing" etc.

There are lot of cases like this

"It happens in the anime"

Blud is using filler now, coping is high.

"I refuted this multiples times already"

Pal, using headcanon and hypotheses not "refuted" anything lol.

We already saw that Zoro crush lucci as he dodge all lucci's dozens attacks and one crush him with single name attack. all this without using KOH .

Show me panel next chapters where Zoro talk about how strong was Lucci and how tired he is now etc, then talk.

"If this was the case, Zoro could one shot both Lucci and King in under a minute."

He could one shot Lucci. Not in the fight with King.

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#4  Edited By zxc6

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"Weezing not being a sign of struggling let alone of MULTIPLE chapters is a straight coping. 😂"

I said it not a sign of going all out, not struggling.

"It's relevant to there being clear prolonged off panel fighting same as Zoro vs Lucci hence why both are tired and banged up every time we cut back to them."

My original comment was that Zoro didnt use all his power as we saw on panel that he didn't used his KOH all the time+ he switch to two swords at some point. Garp's case not really has nothing to do with this.

"He straight fodderized anyone not named Kuzan...."

Yes it's known, that not really change anything

"I didn't say he reserved energy for a better opening. I said he reserved energy from using so much energy in prolonged fight which is literally what the manga shows."

Literally not what happen, you just used your own headcanon... a panel of "huff huff" it's not a proof lol.

"And he finally found the opening at the end,"

Oh yeah, the "finding opening" technique, where i casually dodge the enemy's dozen attacks while being distract and crubstomp him

talk about coping

"KOH and all 3 swords. Pay attention.. ."

😂

that rich coming from u buddy

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in almost all the panels he didnt used KOH + all his three swords.

btw, Zoro's face was already seem bruised before he even start to fight Lucci, so even that claim barely even mean anything

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"Yes. That's what happens when you beat someone. ? King was completely an utterly crushed by Zoro attack. What's your point?"

The point he beat him easily when he got serious , but feel free continue coping

"It's not relevant if Zoro can still time and tag him."

It's relevant because he can do it only because he time it, unlike in Lucci's case where he casually dodge all his dozen attacks point black

"If you aren't going all out then it would be easy and you don't weeze at all. What tf are you saying?"

Do u even understand how fights work or are u just that dense? this is not either 10 or 0 .

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Here luffy huffing and weezing against Bellamy, guess Luffy won high diff .

"Zoro would have just one shot him off the bat which he did not."

He could do that if he fought seriously

"Right before goes in to his final attack he is shown breathing very heavily from being exhausted. The anime goes into detail and very clearly shows it."

cool story, never happen pal

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#5  Edited By zxc6

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"The proof is that he is quite literally weezing which is a sign of struggling. And bleeding all over his face. You don't wheeze against someone you are struggling against. Especially for multiple chapters."

That not proof. You can having trouble against someone and not going all out at the same time, it doesnt contradict each other. , it's not 0 or 100 .

"wym same power as vs fightijg King?"

Zoro didnt fight Lucci with the same amount of power as in the fight with King, meaning he used his whole strength .

"And there are ZERO panels of Aokiji hitting Garp when we cut back to them. Yet we know it happen because Garp's face is roughed up and he ask Kuzan if he want to keep going."

umm i dont see how that relevant to anything.. but just for the record Garp fought pirates army until Kuzan came back

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"I already brought this up in my initial post. In the very same panel Zoro's face is banged up and he is still weezing meaning he got tired and is reserving energy for better opening."

Again, just bc a character struggle =/= went all out. Zoro didn't "reserving energy for better opening", you literally just make up things that never happen . Zoro didnt used KOH all his fight and didnt used all his swords, all this in addition to the fact he just crush him last chapter.

"Lucci likely just disarmed one of his swords just like Oda directly showed him doing in the recent chapters."

And a second later he casually take it back while dodging Lucci's attacks point black

"That's a lie."

> say it's lie

>show me panels that literally mean nothing

sure buddy

i don't understand why is so hard for u to accept that a man can struggle without going all out, that literally what mid diff fight is

"Luffy isn't bleeding out of his head or weezing for SEVERAL chapters long. And the same Luffy handle Page One right off the bat."

Luffy is bleeding in the same way as Zoro,

"He's only faster movement wise which is not relevant because Zoro still timed him.

King used his speed gimmick and still got tagged. You're proving my point."

In his speedy form King is faster than Zoro , which is why Zoro could only hit him when he timed it instead of just evade and cut him.

"You don't weeze for multiple chapters in a mid dif fight. Or bleed out your head."

You are if you arent going all out, it not that hard to understand.

U wanna see how Luffy was heavily breathing with Bellamy too? and then he fought with Doflamingo a full fight.

"No he wasn't. What are you talking about? Luffy didn't want to hit Bellamy and then one shit him with zero effort."

He was , and the point is that you can struggle and not using all your power.

"Zoro fought Lucci for multiple chapter and was running out of breath"

Zoro crush Lucci last chapter in one move while casually dodge him, that not seem so much "running out of breath".

"Especially post skip."

not really

"Do you speak Japanese or something? Otherwise, I can find raws and give to translator"

The official manga and anime translation say very different thing than the fan-made version . u wanna ask translator feel free.

"And King is shown running out of breathe in the fight right before he goes for his ultimate attack."

Literally never happen

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#10  Edited By zxc6

btw this translation is wrong :

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here official translation:

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anime also said same thing