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#19 Posted by czarny_samael666 (14769 posts) - 20 days, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: @sog7dc:

CA is about place, not character. TOAA is beyond one universe, as is LT, so they can't be full understood by Surfer.

Quasar and Maelstrom could feel everything in 616, but not in Quantum Zone. Yet, we accept on Battle forum that universe in which fight take place, share properties of both universes, ergo Surfer's CA will work. There are ways of blocking it, but Martian/Cap never even met it, so it is pointless to try to prove it won't "read" them.

And this is really hard fight to judge, good job @shazamfan666.

Martian should use TP, so Surfer will have to block it. Sooner or later Surfer will win in battle in Astral Plane, since its energy is his to command.

Sentry vs Shazam? His feats mostly came from fights with Adam and Superman. If Setnry isn't on some bad day with his mental issues, he is above planet buster like Binary (actually he would have to go completly crazy like in fights with Iron Man and WWHulk to not be). I don't see Cap taking that kind of attack and Sentry isn't a person who holds back when he isn't afraid of Void (I assume that he isn't, since it would mean that Void is somewhere in him already. It is complicated, but I am trying to not use Marvel Knights Sentry, who would outmuscle Cap in seconds nor Void who should solo this battle).

To sum it all:

Martian should hold Surfer longer, than Cap will be able to hold Sentry, so Sentry will help his teammate and win the battle for them.

Personally I think with morals sentry takes shazam, and without it could go either way. But is there any reason to believe SS could block MM telepathy? MM forced his way into the Spectre's mind, as well as a few others at the same time. If he could mind rape the wrath of God who's to say he couldn't do it to surfer. Just food for though I don't think there is a clear winner here. Lol! @reactor

Morals on I say Team one hands down. Morals off Team two in an epic speed blitz filled god slaying murderstomp.

@czarny_samael666 said:

In character:

With morals: Nul easily.

Out of morals: Nul, after hard battle, Supe has his chance.

Out of character: Superman easily.

With moral WBH does win but definitely not easily. Morals off Supes wins via BFR( probably throws him into the sun) in somewhat of a curbstomp because of speed.

@reactor said:

Round 1: Superman slaughterstomps. No explanation needed.

Round 2: Superman is way, way, waaay more intelligent in terms of thought processing, mental capacity, comprehension and abstract understanding, and has access to way more advanced technology that Tony has. Tony's good, but he's still human smart. That said, Superman would probably just sundip for a week then heat vision the planet.

Round 3: Iron Man has now become a non-factor, and Hulk gets manhandled by Supes and GL.

Round 4: Superman easily. This was brought out well in the World of New Krypton arc, and why the Kryptonians drafted Superman into the military. He's had a lifetime to develop his powers, and that gives him a distinct advantage even over his own people. Iron Man wouldn't stand a chance.

Yep. Argument should've stopped here.

Hulk solos.

Team bats stomps rounds 2 and 3, 1 is a little iffy I say this because I just don't think the new 52 versions have enough feats to show how skilled they really are. Brainiac takes control of Tony's suit and ultron and they proceed to pound reed and panther into dust.