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@shootingnova I was talking aboout 3 non-Force sensitives+the Wrath, but yes, Barsenthor+ HOT is also too much for him.

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@shootingnova Actually, after seeing the video again, I would argue that he had the element of surprise both times, though he probably would be able to TK a strike team of 3 non-Force sensitives and the Emperor's Wrath (not including Nox). But considering the team also had Nox, I think I ultimately agree with you.

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@shootingnova His lightning feat? Maybe, but as i said, it didn't necessarily happen (it depends on your dialogue choice).

I don't see inconsistencies in this TK feat however, because you don't have to necessarily be more powerful than your opponents to just Force push them, and weaker Force users can push beings more powerful than them (Rahm Kota vs Galen Marek is an example of that, but also Ventress pushing padawan Anakin, despite being less powerul than him).

Anyway, do you know which is the canonical strike team he faced? I thought it included both Nox and the Emperor's Wrath, but I'm not sure.

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Hi, I have also found this feat for Malgus.

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(1:03-1:09): he brings the entire strike team (which presumably included 2 powerful Force users) down to their knees with a burst of Lightning (this seem to only happen if you choose the right answer, though, and they were hardly defending themselves).

(2:26): he sends them flying with TK. This always happens regardless of choices.

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Vader wins for a solid majority, especially in the Force. Between collapsing cathedrals while severely injured (he was also in the underlevels of the building), stomping groups of Jedi, collapsing gargantuan trees, bringing down enormous mining machines, destroying huge droids, throwing empty cargo containers, parts of a ship and pieces of equipment, etc he should be far more powerful than Mace. In addition, if we want to include his TFU feats from both novels and game cutscenes (I don't know wether they're Legends or not, however), he stomped Rahm Kota (who was powerful enough to detach parts from a facility, shatter every viewport in a command center vith a Force Wave and deflect Force Lightning), briefly chocked Starkiller, levitated massive platforms high in the air and then brought them down, and Force gripped a more powerful version of Starkiller while not trying to kill him (and that's one of the reasons why Vader lost).

He could also arguably win with TP if it wasn't for the fact that he doesn't use it often in combat, considering that he has mentally raped other Force sensitives 20+ years before achieving his peak in power, possibly by using Force Horror or Memory Walk (the results of the feat seem a bit too extreme for just being the basic Force Fear), drained knowledge from powerful Jedi, etc. In lightsaber skill, he and Windu should be close, with Mace being still superior. I personally see Vader winning 7 or 8 times out of 10 and, if he is clever enough to use his power from the beginning of the fight, he would win 10/10, if not stomp Mace with the Force.

@shootingnova From what I've seen I don't agree that Tenbrous is well ahead of Vader in power, and he seems to be only better in terms of speed and knowledge. I personally would put them on the same level for now, but we'll see.

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So, is the whole game (and the novels) non-canon to both SW universes or just to the movie+TCW+future works continuity?

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Mmm, I suggest you make a respect thread for Anakin, since his feats seem to be less known than Vader's (well that includes myself, actually) and he also seems to be underrated (sometimes even more than Vader). From what I've seen I consider Vader to be more powerful, at least f we take into account his ship destroying feat (which could be real or not, and I probably should send an email to the author of the comic).

Concerning the fight I think Luke would win, considering that he was stated to be an equal match for ROTJ Vader, who, before his prime, has fought evenly with Darth Maul, a duellist of equal or superior skill to ROTS Obi-Wan. In terms of Force Power I don't know who would win, but I heard that Luke is on Obi-Wan's level or slightly better than that. Luke should still take a majority due to superior skill with the lightsaber.

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#10  Edited By Zapan871

Yes. Here's the quote:

Zabraks are renowned for their mental discipline, and have a natural ability to withstand physical suffering, and Sidious tested Maul's endurance to the very limits during his training.

It's on page 32 (or one of those pages if you have a different version) anyways.