Zapan871

@uhu123: That still doesn't change that Vader was "weaker than he'd ever been" with him being stated as "ignoring" his weakness even after he grabbed the Emperor (i.e. after focusing his energy), some...

@shootingnova:Simple; because it reflects an alternate reality of events, not an alternate reality of power levels. This isn't like KotOR 2 where the dark side version is an entirely different playthr...

@eredin12:? Galen was near equal to him before Onesies, he literally made him desperate in the clash, and this Palpatine would one-shot Yoda like fodderJust saying that even if pre Oneness Galen wasn'...

@shootingnova:Galen advanced because he was ready to lay down his life even before he entered the Oneness. It was a suicide attack that only built in severity because he was willing to give up absolut...

@shootingnova: I'm fine, thanksDisagreed. Per the junior novel, Palpatine was desperate to the point of being unsure he could win against Yoda and was disarmed at a later point. It was very much a lif...

@shootingnova said: @zapan871: It isn't clear to me that Marek "replicated" Yoda's feat when he literally gave his life to hold Palpatine off, which is hardly the same as a contest of (near-)equals. "...

Team 1, at least in a Force battle. Vader tanked the Oneness attack of Galen, and the latter, even before that, replicated Yoda's feat against TFU Palpatine who is far more powerful than Yoda, with th...

@darthor: Darksiders are always angry, but that doesn't mean they are amped all the time, it's their base power. Yes, rage amps do exist, but they happen when you are particularly angry e.g. Ventress ...

@eredin12: Just saying, but Vader scales astronomically above this anyway:After his servants sabotage a local power plant, he unleashes his anger on the floating cities of Genarius. Lighting arcs thro...

@eredin12: I wasn't arguing for another interpretation, just meant that others could do it to dismiss the feat, if you ask me I belive it's straightforward. And damn, I completely forgot about the TFU...

@eredin12: I'm somehow hesitant to take the SSD comparison seriously, because it could even put TFU to shame if taken in the sense of destructive power, and I can't see Disney Canon going that far. At...

@eredin12: What other examples do you have of Vader's beast control? Yes, and no match is ambiguous as it doesn't specify in what way. Also, Vader could have easily mentally ordered the creature to st...

@eredin12: It could just as easily be a showing of Beast Control, though:Darth Vader survives every single one of the Emperor's tests. The assassin Ochi and his Droid Crush. The Umbaran's fleet of Sta...

@frozen: Luke, as a barely trained Force user, shortly after ANH, shook a Star Destroyer though.

Vader was so strong that OT Sidious, who should have grown astronomically since TPM, was worried about his power, Plagueis is stuck below TPM Sidious. Still, you could possibly make a case for him bas...

Dooku stomps

@wolfrazer: I don't get why it should be a separate continuity, though.