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Whiplash more often than not; Tony and Rhodes were powerless to stop him aside from the repulser explosion thing. There’s also the range advantage, but I’ll give Killian some wins (maybe 3-4 out of 10) closing the gap and slashing like he did when he cut an IM armor in half.

Short answer: Yes

I’ve been thinking about this topic lately, or the concept of fate in general. I’m a Christian, and as such believe that certain things are in fact set in stone, given the prophesies in the Bible. God knows the ending therefore one would think it’s set. But at the same time I think people make choices to get to where they’re at.

There will be those told by Jesus that he never knew them; it doesn’t matter how many we evangelize to in that sense; that will happen no matter how much it hurts me. There will be those who go to Hell and I can’t change that.

Is everything set? I don’t know for sure. Possibly. At least in our perspective, we get to make our choices.

@darkphantom9895: Fair enough. I can see Thor being better than Odin. But it’s still not how I rank him presently.

@darkphantom9895: It’s not a hill I’m willing to die on. However, I do rank Odin as superior to Thor, even now, and Hela low-diffed him without Gungnir.

Hela is way above Gorr, imo.

@peetahoorie: What tier is Spider-Man? Which characters would you compare him to?

While this topic is a bit contentious, I’ll attempt to explain an argument for Cull Obsidian being out of Spider-Man’s league.

But first, allow me to begin by simply saying I think it’s somewhat reasonable to view Peter as superior to Cull; at least, judging simply by IW/EG showings. The scaling seems clear enough, so how do I oppose it?

1) The strength of MCU high tiers.

If you don’t think characters such as Hulk, Thor, Carol, or Thanos are 100k tonners or far better, then Peter being above Cull may be feasible for you. In that case, idk if I’ll convince you otherwise right now. However, if your opinion is that Hulk and characters like him can consistently throw boulders so hard they burn up, shouldn’t that be out of Spider-Man’s wheel house?

2) Spider-Man’s lesser showings.

Why isn’t Peter replicating that? Perhaps he is, but if that’s the case, we’re talking about Doc Ock and Green Goblin also doing this, no? And instances like being hurt so badly by a train, or struggling to hold up a bell tower become anti feats.

3) Cull Obsidian’s scaling to said high tiers.

While Cull also suffers from some lower end showings, he has far less feats to begin with. He scales to the Hulkbuster armor and the MK50, not to mention he’s tanked a charged Mjolnir throw from Steve.

Simply put, I ignore the Spider-Man vs Cull instances which would make Peter look superior, in favor of the HB, MK50, and Mjolnir showings; Spider-Man scaling to those characters/feat doesn’t work as well.

The Avatars might have superior AP via the Island feat, but their durability is rather poor? While I’m open to arguments, I’ll go with Thor for now via AOE(s).

I still consider Galadriel vs Gandalf The White as far as movie versions go. Anyone care to share an opinion on that topic specifically?

I think you can argue for Thor, Carol, or Wanda. Hulk is kinda outside of this conversation, imo.