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How dare you say that about Gintama!!! And you put Fairy Tail of all Manga above it?? Can't let that blaspheme slide chief 🔫

Maybe you should watch the anime instead

i at least enjoyed some of fairy tail, with Phantom Pain arc being fire, Heaven Tower or whatever it was called was pretty good too and Tenrou Island was great until the dogshit ending

with Gintama i didn't enjoy anything and dropped it

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Thumbs up.

preciate it, need to edit this list lmao

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Although I don't know if he is exactly invulnerable just because he embodies hope, it still would give him advantage against several types of phenomena/abilities.

iirc, isn't Shinra literally nullifying the concept of "damage" to no-sell insane attacks?

yeah he's pretty nuts

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Wonder Woman didn't get the buff only from Manhattan tho, it's not clear that she can beat Perpetua and also not clear that she can beat Perpetua with only Manhattan's buff.

WW had buff from Quintisence via Hera too and a couple of other godly sources. So we aint %100 sure how big Manhattan's part is on it. It's big but how big, it's not clear.

And about BWL equaling Perpetua, again his power source wasn't only Manhattan also due to his nature he always grows, gets better, and evolves after all clashes he is been thru. Like an unstoppable force.

Also, that's totally my opinion but I always accept Rebirth's cosmic hierarchy and Rebirth's crisis as much weaker than other Era's. It was a terrible take on DC's cosmology imo.

And actually, Dark Crisis kinda corrected me cuz even chars like BWL and Perpetua had no impact on that story.

DC sadly keeps producing dozens of characters that have similar jobs/purposes for different arcs.

I mean Perpetua was Pralaya in New 52 and Pralaya actually kinda Great Darkness's depiction of New 52. And at the end of Rebirth (Infinite Survivor process), Great Darkness come back to business again.

They showcase Manhattan as the architect of the new multiverse for once but that role belonged to Synnar back then. So it's all messed up.

Thx for these fair and good questions man. And I know ur opinion are fax ^^

hmm while it's true that BWL has growth factor and other stuff, my point was that the Manhattan that BWL consumed was way WAY weaker than the OG one and he still grew to the point of equaling Perpetua

fair points tho, and i agree with the point that they keep making those jobbing, ultimately irrelevant powerful characters again and again (point in case BWL Perpetua etc.)

i personally especially hate how they're treating The Empty Hand rn, cause i was so hyped for that dude since his introduction (one of the best villain intros ever imo)

thanks for taking ur time

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Thx, all of'em are really questionable. So it makes sense that you're asking over'em.

1st Manhattan is inconsistent. In 1scene he was like the grandmaster of the cosmos but in the other scene, he acts like he was also drifted by others to his position. Spooked about Superman, spooked about The Man Who Laughs (when he didn't even have all the power). And also how he caused New 52 kinda portrayed like he didn't shape it but he manipulated key features and he portrayed it like he did all those by implication.

Also, Rebirth's cosmic power scalings were terrible in general. It was inconsistent and Dr. Manhattan takes his part from it.

But again it's all subjective of course This is just my opinion.

2nd for the last 20-30 years he lacks lots of feats and portrayals I'm aware of it. But I know this in fact;

In Comics with huge verses (like DC, and Marvel) power scalings and cosmic hierarchy always get smashed, shattered, and reshape. So that's why except for 2,3 characters (or concepts) the rest of 'em always will be open to debate.

But how someone is portrayed and how he related to a specific cause/goal/fact in the cosmos sometimes can be only data to place someone on the hierarchy.

Trigon is a cosmic abstract. He is paradimensional. And his old portrayal puts him above average monitors with 80s Spectre.

But Yes he might downgrade on this list a bit. I didn't update for a while.

3rd. Empty Hand was a meta-physical tool for Morrison's run. And Morrison's concepts are generally outliers and semi-canons (like his all Final Crisis events). Also, his general idea about the deconstruction of DC's classic hierarchy kinda bites other creators on their backs in the process.

We saw, Empthy Hand, Dark Monitor in other stories (Empthy Hand is very recent on Dark Crisis and Dark Monitor was in Rebirth it was a bug compared to Perpetua and TMWL in that run).

That's why I don't think Empty Hand has a distinctive place among higher-ups in DC. At least not consistently.

4th. Actually, I slept on it, I'll check that later. :D

my thing with Manhattan tho, isn't it pretty much a fact that Batman Who Laughs was equaling Perpetua with the power of a way weaker manhattan? And it's stated Wonder Woman with the Manhattan buff could've beaten Perpetua

thanks for the answers tho

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pretty good list just some questions

  1. Why is Manhattan so low?
  2. Why is Trigon so high?
  3. Isn't The Empty Hand a little low?
  4. Why Yuga Khan but no Orion?

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@xebec: watching the normies lie to themselves about the suicide of American comics is hilarious.

its natural when you something you love and grew up with fell off. le copium has arrived

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Comic books are absolutely dying, and have been for years

  • looking at sales figures is inaccurate since they include graphic novels and comics have gotten more expensive

Graphic novels are a form of comic books, including them in the statistics doesn't make the statistics inaccurate. It just means the graphic novel format of comic reading is the preferred reading format as opposed to collecting individual issues. In fact, when one breaks down the statistics it includes the graphic novel vs. issue sales and see how much revenue the industry makes from those formats. The industry has made 1.47 billion off of comics in the graphic novel format vs. 435 million off of the comic issue format. The industry isn't dying at all.

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most of the graphic novels sales come from manga as comichron counts manga as graphic novels

cope harder bro

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Why create a false dichotomy between Manga and Western Comics?

there's no false dichotomy here. The argument is about whether or not western comics are dying, which doesn't include manga

the idea that comics aren't dying because manga is popular is super disingenous, esp since hella comic book readers have been dismissive of manga for decades

the facts are simple: most big western comics publications either sell less copies than they did, or their sales stagnated. This is especially worse since Covid should've boosted the numbers, and there is hella media (movies, shows, games etc.) to promote and expose the public to these comics, yet people don't pick them up

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Comic books are absolutely dying, and have been for years

  • looking at sales figures is inaccurate since they include graphic novels and comics have gotten more expensive

Graphic novels are a form of comic books, including them in the statistics doesn't make the statistics inaccurate. It just means the graphic novel format of comic reading is the preferred reading format as opposed to collecting individual issues. In fact, when one breaks down the statistics it includes the graphic novel vs. issue sales and see how much revenue the industry makes from those formats. The industry has made 1.47 billion off of comics in the graphic novel format vs. 435 million off of the comic issue format. The industry isn't dying at all.

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most of the graphic novels sales come from manga as comichron counts manga as graphic novels

cope harder bro

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Comic books are absolutely dying, and have been for years

  • looking at sales figures is inaccurate since they include graphic novels and comics have gotten more expensive
  • even if the indie scene is still doing good, it's not really growing. stagnation is not good
  • overall interest is not what it used to be if you look at things like google searches, social media etc.
  • most storylines and characters have become dull, predictable, boring you name it
  • you mentioned Covid affected sales. No, if anything it should've boosted sales since people were home so much and had more free time for shit like reading.

last but not least, I wanna address the movies argument.

"Comics have transcended paper, it's not longer just about ink on a paper, cartoons and blockbusters generate a lot of revenue and are doing great pop-culture wise"

I really don't get this argument

Games, movies, cartoons, TV shows. Those should not replace the comics. they should boost their sales.

Look at how much things like the anime adaptation or movies can influence the sales of a manga. If the anime is well done and well received, people will go and pick-up the manga (demon slayer sold like 80mil copies in a year like Jesus).

People don't go to pick up comic books after they watch an MCU movie or a DC cartoon or play Injustice.

when was the last time a marvel run or a DC crisis sold millions after a nice movie or something.

people are simply not interested in buying comic books anymore.

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