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#1 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:

@Death Certificate said:
" http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/the-manhattan-effect-aka-why-we-use-feats/566358/     ^this thread needs to be a rule "
I still think that thread should've been stickied to the top of the board. "
It makes me happy to see this being referred to=) 
 
Flat out, Ghost Rider has far more impressive feats, and has fought people with far more powerful showings than Dr. Manhattan. 
 
I love reading how people are talking about Manhattan dumping cities on GR, or Manhattan doing this or that...read the linked thread.  Manhattan really has not been shown to do much.  Argue the facts, not the "ands", "ifs", or "buts". 
 
 So what if someone said Manhattan was a god (I don't remember if this was really said in the books or not, but someone else stated it elsewhere, so my point here will stand)? Heck, people used to call Emperors and Kings gods...did that make it so? 
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#2 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheSpiritStalker said:
" If Dr Manhattan was put in the same situation as the Surfer. Do you think he would be able to pull of a win, I mean if the Silver Surfer could do it....Manhattan should be able to do the same. What do you think? "
Manhattan with his current showings in Watchmen is nowhere near the Surfers level.
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#3 Edited by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@exhyni9 said:

" you guys are acting like her lighting can only come from one place "

Per the OP, she can use the lightning from her hands, so I guess technically that's two places it can come from, but I digress...as long as she doesn't play the William Wallace card... 
 
@Roddy010 said: 

Okay again be that as it may...You're missing the point Storm dodge, It was said that she has only human reflexes and that proves that she doesn't...No regular human could have dodged that throw...I'm not about to get into a Clor vs Thor powerset discussion...because I don"t want this thread to be locked... "

True that was a good dodge feet, and she is not a regular human.  In tune with her environment, being able to see neural functions as someone else claimed...it does give her the advantage of being able to move if she realizes the action, and being a very in shape human, could probably move out of the way before the hammer was thrown, even at nearly peak human levels.  I'd say those two powers give her a good chance of moving out of the way without superhuman reflexes.  But remember, she has two tricks in this scenario:  Flight and the power to use lightning from her hands.  Let's not get off topic and debate what powers she does or doesn't have, because by the rules, she has two in this scenario. 
 
(As a side note:  What is lightning? Last I checked it is an atmospheric discharge of electricity...what does Electro do? Discharge electricity I think...but I digress.)    
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#4 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio


The rules state that Storm can fire lightning from her HANDS, and can fly.  Energy Sight, being in tune with her environment, seeing neural functions, being able to make a fantastic PB&J...all of that is irrelevant. 

Now, for the speed of the lightning to truly factor in here, the fight would go like this: 

"Alright, here we are, 50 feet apart.  I know she can fly and fire lightning.  Wow, that Spider Sense is really tingling, my body wants to move out of the way before she gets her hand up, I mean, wow, all my instincts say to not be here when her hand gets up and fires a lightning bolt, but man, how fast can it be? I'll ignore all of that and just wait here another second or so.  And she is firing, here comes the lightning, time to move and dodge..." **ZAP** 

And Spidey's last thoughts..."Man, maybe her lightning is almost half the speed of light..." 

Now, really, the fight would be more like...Storm raises her hands to fire said lightning bolt, Spidey listens to his spider sense and instincts, moves before the shot is fired, thus not being there when the lightning hits, performs some complicated, aerial acrobatic maneuver while firing webs before she can react, tagging her in the face, then finishes her while she is blinded.

 
And if we have to go the route of how fast is her lightning, someone start calculating the speed of every energy blast Spidey has dodged...    

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#5 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@Roddy010 said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Roddy010 said:
"Okay again be that as it may...You're missing the point Storm dodge, It was said that she has only human reflexes and that proves that she doesn't...No regular human could have dodged that throw...
You sure, even though the fake Thor threw it? If you don't want to debate it, that's fine. She couldn't dodge a bullet (and she was looking dead at Sauron when he pulled the pistol out on her), and no human can dodge those. But, she dodges Mjolnir, thrown by an illegitimate and weaker version of Thor? Which is faster?   Pretty obvious, if you ask me. "
Yes I'm positive...I can post scans of Storm dodging bullets....(but of coarse she was flying)  "

Not really dodging, but flying faster than said bullet.
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#6 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Wyldsong said: 
I'm not even worried about the speed of lightning here, because unless he just stands still, waiting on her to aim and fire, ignoring that wonderful spider sense just to see if he can in fact dodge the blast after it is fired, then that piece of intel is a non-factor, unless we are wanting to know for purely academic reasons, which hey, it's a fun fact.  But I will concede, in the unlikely event that  he just stands still, waiting on her to aim and fire, ignoring that wonderful spider sense just to see if he can in fact dodge the blast after it is fired, then yes, Storm would probably take this fight. "
By this logic, SpiderMan could doge a light speeder. That is not the case.  "
Not true.  A light speeder has faster than human level reaction, which Storm does not.  It's a case of dodging the proverbial gun and person wielding it, not the bullet.  A light speeder can out maneuver Spidey, and tag him regardless of spidey sense.  Off to a movie now=P
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#7 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, been a fun debate, have fun with the fight folks.  Have to take my daughter to see a movie.  I'll be back in to check on the debate in a few hours.

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#8 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Dark Magik said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Wyldsong said: 
But to discredit your point is that Storm has human level speed and reaction.  I explained above, but what is the speed of her lightning versus other energy blasters he has dodged?  We are talking about aiming at and trying to hit a speedy partial precog.  "
Already been addressed by someone else. If the lightning from her hands is not as fast or even as powerful as regular lightning is, then I was wrong. If so, I have a hard time seeing SpiderMan win this.  "
How much power is enough? "
Not exactly sure. The way to judge that would probably depend on who she has defeated with it with it before. And on that note, I would still like to see if someone can confirm or refute that the lightning she projects from her hands is as fast as lightning. I could very well be wrong about that.
 
@Matezoide said:
Spider-Man >>>>>>>>>>> Pie "
SpiderMan>>>>>>>>>>>Everything.  "
I'm not even worried about the speed of lightning here, because unless he just stands still, waiting on her to aim and fire, ignoring that wonderful spider sense just to see if he can in fact dodge the blast after it is fired, then that piece of intel is a non-factor, unless we are wanting to know for purely academic reasons, which hey, it's a fun fact. 
 
But I will concede, in the unlikely event that  he just stands still, waiting on her to aim and fire, ignoring that wonderful spider sense just to see if he can in fact dodge the blast after it is fired, then yes, Storm would probably take this fight.
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#9 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Umbra Sorcerer said:
" @Wyldsong said:
" @The Umbra Sorcerer said:
" @Wyldsong said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"  @Wyldsong said: 
Alright, you are trying to bring reality into a comic book scenario, but with his spider sense, he will most likely react and be out of the way before she can even fire a shot.  Besides, again, if he can dodge Electro and other energy blasters, then he can dodge Storm. "
Electro=/=Storm. Electro manipulates electrical energy; he does not produce lightning. Different powers, different scenario. The only case that could be made to discredit my point is if the lightning from her hands does not travel as fast as ordinary lightning. My understanding had always been that it does, but I could be wrong.  "
But to discredit your point is that Storm has human level speed and reaction.  I explained above, but what is the speed of her lightning versus other energy blasters he has dodged?  We are talking about aiming at and trying to hit a speedy partial precog.  "
Storm can fly in this match up so that evens the out on the speed level "
Flying fast doesn't even this up.  She has to be able to react as well.  I can get in a car and drive fast, doesn't mean driving fast makes me react any faster. "
Not reaction Time wise but how will spidey Hit a speeding Flying Woman that is if she can get up in the Air before he strikes "
Because he reacts before she gets a move off.  He has fought fliers before, and if she gets up into the air before he strikes, we are in a city.  A lot of cover and plenty of places for a sneaky ambush if she takes the route of running.  She flies up, he moves out of sight until she comes looking.
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#10 Posted by Wyldsong (9765 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Wyldsong said: 
But to discredit your point is that Storm has human level speed and reaction.  I explained above, but what is the speed of her lightning versus other energy blasters he has dodged?  We are talking about aiming at and trying to hit a speedy partial precog.  "
Already been addressed by someone else. If the lightning from her hands is not as fast or even as powerful as regular lightning is, then I was wrong. If so, I have a hard time seeing SpiderMan win this.  "
No. it hasn't been addressed.  Has someone given us speed statistics on all of the energy blasts he has dodged? 
 
Besides, she has HUMAN level speed and reaction.  She raises a hand, speed and spidey sense handle the rest.  Are we forgetting that this lightning isn't magically appearing from thin air? And are we also forgetting a precog ability that allows him to react to danger before it strikes? 
 
He has dealt with energy blasters before, and at this point, that is all Storm is with the scenarios description. 
 
Is Spidey faster than lightning? No.  
 
Has he dodged energy/mental blasts/bullets before? Yes. 
 
Can he react to danger before it strikes thanks to his fabulous spidey sense? Yes. 
 
Is he faster than Storm? Yes by leaps and bounds. 
 
Sorry, but Spidey takes this fight.