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@defiant_will: Well hell, did not expect a response so quickly my friend=)
It will seriously be about a week before I can get to the response my friend, but I will drop you a little something as soon as I am able.
@defiant_will: Alright my friend, since we talked about it, I guess it is time to get this thing up an running. I know my personal thoughts and feelings on live action characters versus their comic book brethren. I laid out some basic ideas on Dragon for you, and you felt you had a defend-able position here, so I am going to leave my preconceived notions at the door, and see how you handle yourself in this one. I know I said it would be a few days, but I found a little free time today, and threw something together real quick, so we can get this discussion started...
A little theme music to get us started...
And with that, here we go...
As you can see, Dragon was found in a burning field, with no memory of who or what he was. Years later, it is discovered that Dragon was once in fact the evil Emperor Kurr, who lead a race of peaceful and nomadic aliens looking for a new home, the Krylans. When he wanted to commit genocide on the people of Earth, he was stopped by two scientists and his memory was erased, and within his memories was implanted five days worth of satellite television broadcasts from our planet. Dragon is a special member of his race with enhanced physical attributes, regenerative/adaptive abilities, and an almost savant like ability in the arts of combat. His offspring have also been shown to have similar attributes.
Bear in mind, currently the original Dragon is now dead (after a fairly epic battle), and his son, Malcolm, is now the star of the series.
I don't want to play my hand too much here, but Dragon is indeed in that nebulous class 100 range. Whether or not we feel he is as strong as MCU Hulk, that remains to be seen, but I can promise you one thing...he has faced stronger than Hulk and managed to come out on top. But for now, just so we have some examples of raw strength....
- Picks up a Panzer tank, empties it, then throws it through the wall of a fortress
- Snaps off a tower sized portion of a structure to use as a weapon
- Throws a diesel truck and it's trailer at an alternate version of himself
- Smashes two torpedo like objects with two large rocks while underwater
Now, I think overall, that is enough to say that Hulk won't exactly be ragdolling Dragon in combat. In fact, in comparison to what you have shown, Dragon is in the ballpark to give Hulk a run for his money. Like I said though, even if MCU Hulk takes the cake in raw strength, Dragon has fought stronger than the jade giant and made sure his foes did not forget him. And since you brought up utilizing the environment...that is something Dragon is pretty familiar with doing in combat. Like the time he used a steel i-beam and some debris to tag a flying saucer:
Dragon is actually very creative when it comes to utilizing his environment in combat. More on things like this later. Let's check out some durability and pain tolerance, shall we?
These are the kinds of feats that I pull up for Dragon all day long and then some. Dragon is the kind of guy that will wade into a fight, and face multiple class 100s, all by his lonesome. Soaking up the damage and letting his healing factor take care of the rest (which I will save that for next post). Just so we get some good examples of just how durable he is...
- Guess we should open with Dragon floating in space, completely chill and nonchalant
- He can handle the pressures of the deepest ocean depths, like in pressures 150 times that of the Earth's atmosphere
- Per his creator, can handle even the pressures at the center of the Earth
- Survives a pretty massive city level explosion and digs his way out of the rubble
- Tanks having multiple train cars dropped him and the explosion that followed it
Now I think so far, from what has been shown, Dragon has the durability to hang here. Hulk's striking force is impressive to be sure, but I dare say that Dragon can tank some of his best hits and keep on trucking. We still have a bit to go of course, and this is just the opening stuff, so we will see what your thoughts on all of this ends up being. Still, let me add one more thought to all of this...pain tolerance. Dragon's pain tolerance is next to none in the world of comics. There is a lot I could show you on this front, but I will start with this. There was a time that Dragon's arm was ripped from his body in mid combat. Without slowing down and without missing a beat, Dragon takes his arm, and proceeds to use it as a club to beat down his foes:
Losing an arm is something that would stop the fight for a good chunk of even the toughest of bricks. Dragon, just keeps up the fight, as you can see. Alright, let's talk about a little bit about the speed and reflexes...
Dragon is not slow. He is fast and agile, and has the feats to back it up....
- Dodges point blank sonic attacks, and does it again here
- Dodges point blank range energy attacks
- Dodges Superpatriot's insane aim and overpowered munitions, all fired from multiple fronts and angles
- Evading point blank electrical blasts
The other thing to realize, beyond being speedy, Dragon is known for using parkour style flips and leaps in combat like so:
Unlike the normal brick type character, he won't just be standing there, trading blows back and forth until someone drops. Facing Dragon in combat is going to be kind of like facing a cross between Thing and Spider-Man.
This is where Dragon definitely fights outside of this weight class. He has the ability to strike far harder than his physical stats should allow. You will definitely see what I mean as this debate progresses, but for now, some quick examples:
- Collapses a building using one arm and striking the ground next to it (note that she was using a special blade capable of cutting through anything and everything, that was not a normal sword by any stretch of the imagination)
- Punches She Dragon into a building so hard that the building collapses in on itself from the sheer force of the impact
- While weakened mind you, punches an assassin into the sky, and has a whole conversation before the assassin crashes back down
And while he may not use a traditional thunder clap style move, Dragon does in fact create shockwaves and explosions with his strikes, that he can and will use in combat:
And there we go, just a taste of his physicals, but that should give you enough to work with for a response post. There is still quite a bit of ground to cover, like with his healing factor, aim, combat style and skills...which I promise to bring all of that up in the next post.
Alright my friend, I think you have done well in laying out just how formidable of a brick MCU Hulk is. That being said, as I am sure you can see, Dragon is more than up to the task of making even Hulk take a moment to pause and consider even taking him on in combat. I am not saying I have proven a win here, but I think you will have to agree...Dragon is no joke. He's smart, fast, agile, durable, strong, and has a pretty darn insane striking force. I haven't even gotten into his healing factor, combat style and skill...all of which may turn the tables quite a bit. We'll see what you think when I get to it.
That said, based purely on what you have shown, and based purely on what I have presented thus far...I think Dragon takes this in a good fight. Of course, each of us has yet to push to envelope here, and really get into what these characters are capable of...it should be fun to see what you have up your sleeve my friend. Anyhow, this should give you enough to work with for your response. I am looking forward to it my friend=)
Anyhow, while cosplay is lacking for Savage Dragon characters, there are no shortage of hawt ladies to be found in the pages of Savage Dragon (he is a bit of a ladies man, who occasionally gets himself into trouble)...so we will close this one out with a little Amy aka She Dragon...
Onto you my friend.
Normally, I would debate a composite Aphrodite IX for my "Aph" of choice, but seeing as how V has gotten some quality showings of her own as of late, I figured I would try and debate Aphrodite V, with composite feats from Aphrodite IV...
Just so we are clear, there were a lot of versions of Aphrodite. So, it should be no surprise that each and every Aphrodite was an improvement on the earlier models. So programming, tech, and the like were improved based on the performance, experiences and so on of the previous versions. Basically, even though I am running a composite Aphrodite, V is more than capable of performing the feats of all of IV and subsequently, the other earlier models, since she is the improved version here. There have been 15 models of Aphrodite, with four of them having been featured in various stories to this point. Of course, my feats for this debate will focus on IV and V.
Let's start with IV...
This was the Aphrodite featured in main Top Cow universe alongside the Witchblade, Darkness, and so on. CDI tested the original IV prototype against the Witchblade first, and when that test proved successful, she was later upgraded and sent to collect Jackie Estacado for the Sovereign (IV was successful, although Jackie was partially depowered at the time). After a few more adventures, she is later captured by the Curator, and re-purposed to aid him in bringing the Top Cow artifacts together, which leads to the Rebirth story line for Top Cow.
It should be noted that IV was the first mass produced Aphrodite, but the original prototype which was featured in most stories, had a built in weapons system that was powered by the Coin of Solomon. IV was a fully synthetic being, with superhuman attributes and durability. She also has the highest documented healing factor of any of the Aphrodite's.
After the final destruction of IV and the rebirth of the universe, we are introduced to Aphrodite V in the Cyber Force books. V was the first biosynthetic hybrid organism, and initially served as a bodyguard for Carin Taylor (Velocity). This was of course before Aphrodite IX meddled in the timeline. Now, there are two versions of Aphrodite V that have been featured in recent stories, with one version gaining some semblance of free will, and escaping the control of CDI as seen in the Aphrodite V mini-series. The other version we have seen in the main Cyber Force books, had her creator's consciousness uploaded into her programming, and has been shown remembering her creator's past. She has shown some resistance to the control of CDI, and looks to be gaining some form of "free will".
One thing that I need to make perfectly clear due to some of the magic type stuff that will come into play...Aphrodite V is not a living being. She wasn't born, doesn't have a heart, brain, or circulatory system. She is completely and totally, an artificial construct:
While she may have eyes, ears, a face, and be able to talk...she relies on technology, sensors, programming...so any ideas about sight, hearing, lifeforce, and so on...throw those out of the window when talking about Aphrodite V.
The Physicals and Skill
I am going to keep the details on this section fairly short and sweet. Aphrodite is of course superhuman in her stats. I will have plenty to prove she is a tonner level character with bullet timing reflexes and has an insane durability to boot. I will of course leave just a taste of some of her strength and speed here. Kicking open a door with the door taking out a foe, fighting foes with guns in close ranges and not getting shot, ripping someone's head of their body, and tossing a larger foe that was wearing a heavy and bulky battle suit a very long distance:
Just a taste for now, since we still have a long ways to go and lot more to discuss here. I of course, want to save some of the better feats for future posts. Before I talk about the skill, I am going to settle one thing about her durability. When it comes to blunt force trauma, I am seeing really very little for Aph to worry about in this fight. We will get into her durability versus other sources, but I want to point out, when it comes to blunt force, I don't think the opposition has the ability to do much to her. Especially if she can tank a fall from a plane at most likely terminal velocities, with a crash that creates an impressive boom and crater making impact, and can sit right back up afterwards:
Basically, I am going to maintain that damage from blunt forces from anyone here, not going to be much of a worry for her. I do realize that the team has a lot of pointy blades and other such means of damaging a foe, so we will discuss the rest when needed. Now, let's talk about the skill...
I will eventually get into a very detailed breakdown on this, but for now, let it be known that Aph is skilled in every conceivable combat technique on Earth:
I can get more to back this up, but if there is a martial art, weapon style, or killing technique on the planet...she knows it. I do promise to get into actual showings of skill, so I won't rely on this alone, but she was created to be the perfect killing machine. You don't get tested against the likes of the Witchblade for your first assignment if you aren't some verifiable bad arse...which Aph, obviously is. The other thing to point out, while the following is an early write-up for V and lacks information about much of her more current upgrades in tech, it illustrates that her technology grants her "near perfect" aim:
Which is to say...I have never seen her miss a shot. As with a lot of the stuff I have brought up...more on that as needed=)
The Gear and the Tech
So, out of all of my gear, there is only one piece of it that I am going to ignore. The stealth suit. It's not that I don't think I have any arguments that could be made with it against various characters, but with our teams overall plans and needs, it really has no use for our side of the debate. So, she won't be needing it. Which leaves me with three pieces of equipment to discuss...let's start with the Blood Sword...
The Blood Sword:
That is a brief overview of the origins of the blade. One of the best documented bearers of the blade is of course, Ian Nottingham. Which is why you will see many feats with the blade with him as the bearer. Let's note though, this sword has passed through many hands. It has seen several bearers in the Top Cow books, with the last documented one being, Aphrodite. More details on this artifact will be brought up in later posts, but some major points about the blade:
- It amps the users stats
- It has energy projection
- It can harm even some of the most durable artifact bearers
- It can protect bearer's from even temporal effects
The Coin of Solomon:
Aphrodite is pretty much the sole bearer featured for this artifact in the Top Cow tales. While CDI used the coin to aid in a lot of their technology and advancements, we mainly see the coin in the hands and employ of Aphrodite IV and IX. The coin was used to mainly power a built in weapons system, which will be discussed here shortly...so yes, it is mainly going to be featured for the energy projection abilities it provides.
The Gun and the Tech:
And now, just a few short words on the gun and her built in tech. Her "machine gun pistol", for lack of a better term, is basically that, a small handheld fully automatic pistol of sorts that fires rounds of an unknown caliber. I do have more details than that to talk about with it, but for an opener, that should about cover the very basics. The tech portion...
Of course, Aph has a lot of built in tech that will come into play here. Since I opted to not use IX, there is going to be less for me talk about here than I normally would have to bring to bear, but there is still plenty to bring up for the discussion. For now, a brief rundown:
- Electromagnetic pulse
- Sound dampeners
- Various sensors (like a lot of them, including even DNA tracking)
- Repair/Regeneration tech
Sadly, not as much as IX, but enough to pull V through this fight and to tangle with some truly heavy hitters. Alright, let's move onto the opening gambit, and get this thing closed out=)
The Opening Gambit
Again, not a lot of detail for this, but there is one major thing Aph is going to do here to open things up with. Aph is an assassin, so the stealth game is nothing new to her. And though while I may have picked her with some stealthy type discussions in mind, the make up of my team necessitates her to perform in other functions. The environment and time of day, is one that is suited for stealthy assassin types. That is to say, it is 100% suited for Aph, and of course, more than 100% suited for @floopay's team. That isn't to say Ian isn't without his stealthy options, and Percy, from what I can gather so far, is not the stealthy type. What I think the biggest issue for my team, is in tracking the two super stealthy drow and the human assassin in this environment.
Let it be known, with Aph's myriad of sensors, . I will go into detail in future posts, but there is nothing in their tool kits to allow them to remain hidden from her. She just has too many ways to track them with her overly advanced tech. So, she will function as the tracker and lookout for the team. Not to mention, she is going to handle another nifty little function right off the bat, which is to create a nice little clearing for her team, by doing something like this...BOOM.
If it is good enough to bust up a building and the local environment, then it is good enough to create my team a decent sized clearing in this wooded area. This gives us an area to fight in with little worry of trees and such in the way, and it greatly reduces the opposing team's stealth options.
And there it is my friends. My opening entry into this little discussion. @floopay my friend, let's see what you got, and let us make this a good one=)
And closing out with the usual...some Aphrodite cosplay hawtness...
Onto you bud=)
Perseus Jackson, son of the sea god
Mini-Bio + Implied (In-Universe) Power
Percy Jackson was 12 when he discovered he was the son of Poseidon, god of the sea. He embarked on a quest to prevent the Third World War (Olympian style) and has since grown to be the most powerful demigod of the century, being compared to the likes of Hercules himself. He's saved the world a handful of times from gods, titans, and giants (of the god-killing variety). Tartarus, the pit of the Underworld himself, saw the need to directly interfere in a conflict with Percy, something he had never done for the gods. Needless to say, Percy is one hell of a demigod.
To get an idea of how powerful Percy is in-universe:
Until that morning, [Hazel's] brother Nico had been the most powerful demigod she knew... But she knew Nico was more dangerous than Reyna, or Octavian, or maybe even Jason.
Then she'd met Percy.
At first, when she saw him stumbling up the highway with the old lady in his arms, Hazel thought he might be a god in disguise. Even though he was beat up, dirty, and stooped with exhaustion, he'd had an aura of power.Son of Neptune
This is a statement made by Hazel Levesque, daughter of Pluto (Roman version of Hades). Percy stumbled upon the Roman camp, and Hazel confused Percy for a freaking >god< due to his aura of power. She also knows, and mentions, Nico di Angelo as well as Jason Grace, both sons of Hades and Jupiter (Zeus) respectively.
"Percy is the most powerful demigod I've ever met. No offense to you guys, but it's true."Mark of Athena
This was a statement made by Nico di Angelo, himself a son of Hades. He's talking to Jason (son of Jupiter/Zeus), Hazel (daughter of Pluto/Hades), and the pyrokinetic Leo Valdez (son of Hephaustus). He also happens to know Thalia Grace (daughter of Zeus), and he knows how powerful each of these individuals are, but he still considers Percy the most powerful. To add credence to this, Nico di Angelo is known for traveling to all reaches of the world - and Underworld. He knows plenty of demigods.
For this opener, I'll briefly go over Percy's physical stats and skill as well as provide some feats for each category.
Reaction-wise, I'm saving the better feat for next time but for now, Percy is an adept arrow timer, capable of slashing entire volleys of them out of the air:
""Get in!" I yelled. I uncapped Riptide and slashed the first volley of arrows out of the air"Sea of Monsters page 133
Specifically notice how he uncapped his sword after the arrows were fired.
The second Amazon they met was not so friendly. She was dressed in full armor, blocking the throne-room entrance. She spun her spear with lightning speed, but this time Percy was ready. He drew Riptide and stepped into battle. As the Amazon jabbed at him, he sidestepped, cut her spear shaft in half, and slammed the hilt of his sword against her helmet.Son of Neptune page 340
Percy dodged a spear described as being "lightning speed". Based on the text, Percy managed to draw his sword while the Amazon was mid-swing, which given the description ("lightning speed), and who said it (you'll see why that's important below) it must have at the very least been blur speeds. Why do I say that? Well, Hazel happens to own a horse named Arion, the fastest horse in the world...
In this excerpt from House of Hades (pages 118-119 in my pdf), we see Hazel mount Arion along with Piper and they square off with a giant (humongous) turtle. While it's head is freaking massive (the eyes were described as the size of swimming pools), Arion is a horse that went from Anchorage, Alaska to the San Francisco Bay area in four hours. That puts him at around 501.7mph (1)(2) if we assume he travelled in a straight line (it's possible he hugged the coast, but that's speculation on my part). All while carrying a chariot full of enchanted golden metal weapons, armor, helmets, and shields, as well as three people.
With Hazel and Piper, that's just two people. He should still be casually going in the hundreds of mph in the instance above, yet both Hazel and Piper have no issues hitting the albeit giant turtle. Hazel hits its head every chance she gets while passing it at speeds far exceeding that of an arrow. Piper actually makes eyeshots. Needless to say, their reactions are pretty decent. To be called "lightning speed" by Hazel is incredibly impressive.
Of course the feat itself (Percy's, not Hazel's and Piper's), is up for interpretation on whether it's FTE or not, but I have more evidence for Percy being FTE, which I'll save for later.
Strength (Sword + Physical)
So, Percy has only a few feats of strength not involving his sword... and if I'm being honest, only one of them is really impressive on its own. For starters, he regularly trades blows with giants that are in the high 20s to mid 30s in feet and literally meant to kill gods. However, he does have this gem:
Here, Percy runs at Porphyrion, the giant king who "towers over" his brethren at 40ft in his weakest form (book 1, this is book 5), grabs the tip of his spear, and forces it into the ground so hard that the momentum makes the giant king flip over. This is a giant that was described by Jason Grace as large, dense, and muscular. Like all giants, he's also wearing celestial bronze (celestial being a fancy word for enchanted) armor. His spear is likely about as tall as him, if not more so. As such, causing so much momentum that he flips over is insane.
However, it's not like strength will be the deciding factor in fights like this. It matters more how hard Percy can swing his sword, and he can swing it pretty hard.
As they ran past one of the black trees, he slashed his sword across the trunk. He heard it topple, followed by the satisfying crunch of several dozen arai as they were squashed flat.House of Hades
While trapped in Tartarus - the pit of the Underworld whose air is literally so poisonous to demigods, that multiple days after exiting Tartarus, Percy was still coughing from its effects - Percy slashes a tree with a single sword stroke.
In desperation I uncapped Riptide and slashed at the fountain, cleaving it in two. Salt water spilled everywhere, and the great stone font crashed to the floor in pieces.Battle of the Labyrinth
Percy has also shown the capacity to slice clean through stone in a single slash. His blows will certainly be dealing damage, whether it be direct shots or through armor.
Now, Percy repeatedly takes throws and flings from aforementioned 20-30ft tall beings with insane strength, but very few have standalone feats to make those throws and flings even more impressive. Luckily there's Atlas. In terms of blunt force, this is one of Percy's best feats:
"I swung my sword, and Atlas knocked me aside with the shaft of his javelin. I flew through the air and slammed into a brick wall...
I tried to dodge, but the javelin hit me caught me in the chest and sent me flying like a rag doll. I slammed into the ground, my head spinning. I looked up and found I was at the feet of Artemis, still straining under the weight of the sky."The Titan's Curse page 267
Percy takes a blow from Atlas's javelin twice in a single page. Atlas has feats of, in the same fight, opening fissures in the mountain by slamming his javelin downwards (not that he hit Percy with that force, but still very impressive) and casually one-shotting Zoe with a backhand, not even his javelin (Zoe was poisoned, but the effects didn't show until after the hit).
Now all demigods are at the very least peak human, but the Hunters of Artemis are far more active than your usual demigods. Because of this, their physical condition would logically be higher than a regular demigod. She's also the daughter of a titan, not a god, and titans are generally superior to gods due to being older.
However, to make these two all the more impressive is that Percy then proceeded to literally lift up the sky single-handedly which although not as impressive as it sounds (it's more willpower related) still adds more to the feats. Even then, eyeing my opponent's opener, I don't think blunt force is going be a big deal here.
In a tie-in (canon/written by same writer) slash short story, Percy and Clarisse are being shot at by a small army of arrow-throwing birds, and Percy gets hit. While it didn't go very deep, he pulls it out without a second thought. I want to save the main play for the next post, but trust me when I tell you'll struggle to put Percy down unless you skill him.
I had a few scratches, but nothing major. I pulled a feather arrow out of my arm. It hadn't gone in very deep. As long as it was not poison I would be fine.Percy Jackson and the Stolen Chariot
I only want to go over this part very briefly, as Percy has such few skill feats to go off of even if they're pretty great. To begin with, unlike most here, Percy doesn't have that many accolades pertaining to knowing martial arts or sword styles; that is to say, while he does have a style, we don't exactly know what it is. There has only been a single instance in which his style of fighting was referenced, and it was against the demigod Roman Legion:
Part of their problem was Percy. He fought like a demon, whirling through defenders' ranks in a completely unorthodox style, rolling under their feet, slashing with his sword instead of stabbing like a Roman would, whacking campers with the flat of his blade, and generally causing mass panic...Son of Neptune page 139
After having his memory erased (and it's still erased above), the Greek demigod Percy lands in the Roman demigod camp, Camp Jupiter. During the war games, basically just a simulation of a siege, Percy proves himself a "demon" in combat because his style was unprecedented to the Romans. The Romans train every day for years to fight as a group, yet when faced up against the Greek demigod, they seem to stand no chance. Conversely, it stands to reason that Percy had also never gone up against their style of fighting either, but he still cleaned house.
Moving on, he does have a couple accolades, just not of the variety I mentioned earlier. In Sea of Monsters after only a few months of training he was called the greatest swordsman in the last hundreds of years bar one, Luke Castellan (page 69). This is insanely impressive considering Luke at that point had trained for five years, and was himself known as the best swordsman in the last three hundred years. At around this time during the Sea of Monsters, Percy is seen sparring entire cabins of demigods (between one and two dozen) and coming out victorious.
He also routinely takes on (to varying degrees of effectiveness) gods, titans, and giants in melee combat. All of these have centuries of experience fighting battles, and many often specialize in combat and are regarded as some of the greatest warriors of all time. I'll get more into all of this in my next post, though.
Like with the skill section above, I'm going to attempt to briefly cover this so I can go into much more detail later on. For this section, I'll use a bullet point style formatting in order to cover more ground quickly, even though there isn't much to cover.
- Hydrokinesis - Percy, as the son of Poseidon, has the power to control water. It's not limited to just water either, he's controlled vapors and poisons in the past (kind of out of character though). His raw power is insane, reaching into the lowest end of mid tier, and his versatility is pretty great too.
- One of the most prominent things Percy does is create miniature hurricanes. He can make small hurricanes (and when I say small, I mean like the size of a cul-de-sac) around an area, or he can create a personal hurricane around himself in order to fight enemies.
- Water Contact - When Percy is in contact with water, he receives a couple of amps. Let's take a look at them:
- An increase to his sword skills and combat speed
- Decently increased strength
- A minor healing factor
You'll see in my next post that there's far more oomph to Percy's powers than what I've described.
One last thing to mention: while it may seem like a theme throughout my opponent's team and a bit throughout ours, Percy uses no magic whatsoever. All of his abilities are innate.
It might still be too soon to draw any definitive conclusions, but I do believe Percy has what it takes to contend here. Eyeballing it, he seems to outstat the opposing team, if marginally, and is more than skilled enough to keep up. His powers make him extremely dangerous, especially in an environment such as this one, with the sheer amount of water around. I believe that, in terms of raw power, Percy will go damn near unmatched in this battle. His versatility - which I've yet to showcase - is only going to add to my notion. He might not have as many tricks up his sleeve as someone like Jarlaxle, but he can more than keep up. As hinted at repeatedly throughout this post, my next post will provide much more depth on Percy. For now, this is a good intro as to what he can do.
@floopay: Just a heads up, I am the hold up here. I have been laid up in bed the past days with a 100 to 102 fever, cough, chills, body aches...basically the works. Still recovering somewhat, but we will try and get on track and get our stuff up this week my friend.