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@ieatnettles: I believe Frozen has the quotes on hand. Or Eredin.

I mean it's obvious when they are literally referred to as weak/nothing special with The Force, a few of their members barely being able to touch it and being basically noted as just sort of a group of thugs.

@eredin12: His focus seemed to be more on the movies, you can tell that he doesn't know really about the wider lore, but that's a whole separate issue entirely. It would be fine if the Canon comics and novels actually more followed to what TCW/Rebels, but considering they don't....that's where the contradicting issues arise. Which is probably going to get moreso, with these new shows coming out and that Filoni movie that is being worked on. Barring of course clear outliers of Force showings, because TCW/Rebels had those moments too, but these are hardly replicated in any other instance.

Vader and Sidious are basically safe as far as power consistency is concerned, considering in the grand scheme of things, they didn't do much within the OT to showcase power and the fact that showrunners aren't just going to throw in Vader and Sidious into a multiple seasons show like TCW as main characters. Same with Luke.

@eredin12: I mean yeah, the guy has admitted he doesn't like to strictly adhere to Canon. Which honestly is kinda...silly, considering this is suppose to be a coherent universe and it seems like the novels/comics take a backseat to whatever new show wants to come out. Although I guess if we're looking at it by movie standards, TCW isn't that contradicting if we look at it from that perspective because in the movies, Force Users even the most powerful ones, aren't exactly as they appear in the novels or comics.

But at the same time, there never really was an instance where they needed to be. I mean Vader in the OT, never really had an instance where he would need to go balls to the wall with his power, same with Luke(that and his Jedi training "Knowledge and Defense, NEVER for attack"), Sidious and Yoda. You didn't really see any limit, because there never really was shown to be one, the best we saw of Vader was tossing multiple objects at Luke in ESB, but he did so in a casual manner....so it's clear that he could potentially do more. Yoda telling Luke lifting his X-wing wouldn't be any issue for him(this mind you as a Padawan learner), it was only because he thought it was, so it's shown that there wasn't exactly a limit.

Though I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, from the wider SWU perspective, TCW and basically all the shows show Force Users as being more like the movies which isn't wrong, but it shouldn't be their limit either.

As more and more shows come out, it seems like they really won't mesh well with the novels and comics, as far as Force Users being consistent power wise....which is probably why they don't have much issue with retconning stories, seeing as the vast majority would rather watch TV or a movie than read a comic or novel.

Considering that, the best we could get for Anakin is probably before TCW, though when that happens who's to say and you'll probably have people wondering "well he wasn't like that in TCW, where was this crazy power there?!" That is if the authors would have him do something crazy Force Power wise to begin with, given TCW, so they would probably want him portrayed more closer to that.

Vader and it'll probably stay that way because of TCW basically grounding Force Users heavily. Sure they'll show perhaps a couple of outlier feats, but in the overall grand scheme of things.....they basically have just enough to put them above the regular person, but not so far out there. Comparatively, Vader doesn't have that issue considering he doesn't appear a whole lot in these shows and most showings come from comics/novels, which can really push things.

I mean I guess? Though honestly, I don't see what Aliens could provide as being....well a threat, unless these Aliens are also going to get superpowers.

So finally got around to watching, all caught up! Some good stuff, especially episode 5! Also episode 6 is just hilarious with Xavier who just schools everyone...literally lol.

I also looooved seeing Nightcrawler, dude has to be my favorite X-men and I'm glad we're gonna get more of him! My guy came in clutch with saving Rogue and Gambit!

Unless I've missed something with Cage, he has zero way of putting down UJ.

@lord_tenebrous: There's also the fact that Kanan, was able to also fight the Grand Inquisitor once he got back into the swing of things and sparred with Ezra. Even the GI noted that he was more impressive than before, now sure in their last fight Kanan didn't exactly outskill him and more or less destroyed his means of fighting. Which come to think of it, if the GI is suppose to be a good duelist, what he did was incredibly stupid from a fighting standpoint. But before all of that, you still had Kanan being able to fight a lot better against him in their next two duels. Also wasn't in noted that the Inquisitor lightsaber design, was to make up for their lack of actual skill?

So then what...now S1 Kanan just suddenly jumped up to TCW Anakin after just briefly sparring with Ezra, able to fight the GI and impress him with his dueling skill?

Either the dueling gaps in Canon are FAR smaller than what they want us to think, or the showrunners really just don't care. But then I'm still of the mind that the GI was retconned into the Grand Inquisitor later on, because I don't see the logical sense of putting the boss to go after a rusty Padawan(S1 Kanan) only to then later send in the lackies against a much better/stronger Kanan and his Padawan. Should have been the other way around if that's the case.

I'm not seeing why it's so suddenly impressive the GI ragdolls Offee, just because she fought Anakin. It's not like from what we see, the GI was actually dueling her, so you can't judge his saber skill anyway. But more to that, we still don't have context to it.