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Star Wars: TCW(08) and Legends(C-Canon)

So I've posted this elsewhere and in some form of fashion on another site, so I figured why not here since a SW debating community is also here...would only make sense yes? Plus I know some aren't on the other sites, so this would also be beneficial and informative in my opinion so here it is.

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Now technically yes it is apart of Legends Canon, but it's not really. Or at the least it isn't apart of the overall Canon(C-Canon) that was put into place prior to 08. So I'm going to go over 2 points here as to why one shouldn't try to mesh TCW(08) with the rest of C-Canon...which is what I see a lot of people do. Now this DOESN'T mean C-Canon is ENTIRELY off the table to use...I'll get into that after the two points.

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1. It makes NO Sense

That's basically it in a nutshell, TCW(08) makes literally no sense to pretty much ANY prior C-Canon published material. Characters are different either appearance wise from how they should be within the timeline(compared to how they look before) or are completely different personality or how they operate. Or they don't even appear AT ALL. Or these new characters are put in that doesn't add up to the prior C-Canon material or even return.

The most glaring of examples of big changes being General Grievous and Aurra Sing.

The first....I mean come on, how are people seeing Grievous 03 and coming to the conclusion that the 08 is the same. They aren't...at all and it's not just visuals either, it's personality and how they operate.

Sing again another great example, in TCW(08) we see that she's pretty much just a bounty hunter, there isn't any mention of her being a former Jedi Padawan or having Jedi training at all.

Yet still whenever these two are brought up in a battle, people still reference TCW(08) and whatever C-Canon material and I'm just sitting here going "...why??" What because Grievous constantly fights Obi-Wan and that somehow makes him a better combatant despite the fact that you don't really need to see them fight for the hundredth time?

Sing I really don't understand, because I'm pretty sure whatever she does in TCW(08), she can do even better when she's actually a formerly trained Jedi and actually having The Force and a lightsaber.

Durge is another HUGE one because he doesn't even appear at all. Despite the fact he was active throughout the Clone Wars against the Republic. Yeah I'm sure missing one of the CIS' Commanders is a big ? mark. Yeah where's the huge alien trained by Mandalorians who has a chip on his shoulder and is thirsty for killing Clones of a Mandalorian?

Ahsoka and Maul....yeah I don't think I need to explain why they throw a large bag of monkey wrenches into everything.

Then there's the fact that the Nightsisters are all Dark Force Users, when that wasn't the case in C-Canon, they were more diverse, hell even the planet Dathomir is completely different too.

1B: C-Canon and T-Canon DIFFERENCES

TCW T-Canon Dathomir/Nightsisters

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EU C-Canon Dathomir

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Now do you see the VAST difference between the two? Let's not even go into the fact that TCW has all of them basically Dark side Force Users and basically destroyed.

EU C-Canon? HA! The Nightsisters are still going strong and they weren't completely Dark Side aligned either, there were various groups of them on both sides of the Force.

Anakin wasn't a Jedi General of the 501st Legion and was pretty much by Obi-Wan's side throughout the entire war. The 501st went through more than 1 General and their Commander was Appo, not Rex.

Oh let's have a look at a timeline aspect here...ok, let's see...after AOTC we have the Battle of Christophsis...which takes place apparently 7 weeks AFTER Geonosis(according to the TCW Novel Wild Space). Here we are introduced to a few new characters, Captain Rex and Ahsoka Tano.....oh and also? Anakin is a Jedi General and apparently no longer a Jedi Padawan.

....Anyone who remembers ANYTHING prior to 08 for SW, knows this cannot be possible because guess where Anakin and Obi-Wan were directly after Geonosis?

"Just saying, we've been stationed in the Tion Cluster for weeks. At this rate, the war will be over before we see a battle.

- SW: Clone Wars Video Game, Anakin Skywalker

Yeah, they have been stationed in the Tion Cluster for WEEKS.

Guess what happens after this? The pair head to Raxus Prime....oh and Anakin is still only a Jedi Padawan and Jedi Commander

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This is what is called the Dark Reaper Incident from the 03 Star Wars: The Clone Wars video game, which takes place within the SAME YEAR as the Battle of Christophsis among other events and battles within the first weeks of TCW.

There is also the point that the CW: Microseries got completely dumped to make way for TCW as per Genndy's own words himself.

"It’s frustrating that they tried to erase it from being canon," he said. "At first, it was canon. And then once George started doing the CG version, he wanted to clean the slate. And so they de-canonised ours.

- Genndy Tartakovsky

So the Microseries doesn't fit, which means the entirety of the CWMM doesn't fit with TCW. It's a wholly separate Continuity and should be treated as such.

But let's look at more evidence hm? In the CW Microseries comics....5 months after the Battle of Geonosis, Anakin(still a Padawan) was with Obi-Wan on the planet Nivek.

The events in this story take place approximately 5 months after the Battle of Geonosis.

"At least now we know why they call Nivek the "Night Planet"

- Anakin, CW Adventures Vol 1

So let's move onto point 2.

2. The C-Canon Timeline is already complete

Kind of going off point 1, but this is basically why nothing in TCW(08) makes sense with anything prior 08 CW material. The timeline for C-Canon is already completed up to ROTS within the Microseries CW Anakin and Obi-Wan making their way back to Coruscant as Grievous was attacking it. Then adding in the various novels, games and so forth which compliment all of this into a completed timeline.

TCW(08) is basically a separate timeline within Legends, this makes sense since...well nothing seems to coincide with what is noted and new characters appearing or old ones changed or not appearing at all. The 08 series completely started a new slate with which to work off of...you could perhaps think of it like what Disney did to the post-ROTJ EU, where they wiped the slate clean to make the ST. People don't really seem to think about this a whole lot, but it'll save one a bunch of headaches with trying to all figure it out...like trying to mix and match a puzzle piece that just isn't going to work.

GL himself stated that he didn't pay much attention to the EU(he's stated at least twice) and given he was heavily involved....well of course he wouldn't follow what the EU already established because that wasn't his vision. It also makes sense as to why it's in a COMPLETELY separate bracket, otherwise why wouldn't it just be in C-Canon like...literally everything else?

It's clearly a separate timeline so Lucas doesn't destroy everything all those writers put into C-Canon.

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Now moving onto what I think is a fair compromise if you really want to treat TCW as Legends, honestly it really should just be Disney Canon at this point...but that's my opinion and I can work a compromise.

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C-Canon(TCW Exception)

So C-Canon as we all know just basically stands for Continuity and that in a nutshell is basically something that is continued over a period of time. Now TCW can be used in C-Canon(TCW Exception), this however would be a bit more limited. If you folks notice that, various books and such are all revolved around TCW(this again another added point in that it's a separate timeline). Example those TCW comics or the novels such as TCW: Wild Space.

Now these can be used as a Continuity Canon for the TCW(08) show, that as far as I have seen can be fine because there isn't any huge glaring issues. Same with the Sourcebooks such as The Clone Wars Campaign Guide although for such as these, it would have to be used carefully using S-Canon IE: Ignore what isn't correct and vice versa. Example the Clone Assassins and Blaze Clone Troopers are in there, yet they make no appearance whatsoever in TCW, so they can't be used as any sort of debating point.

Some authors tried to shoe in some TCW stuff or otherwise in some Source or Guide book...but it just...really falls flat on its face and doesn't mesh well. Because again, the show starts a fresh slate of everything.

Oh here's a better way of looking at it. TCW is the foundation, much like the OT/PT for C-Canon EU where the supplement TCW material(novels, comics etc) can be used.

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So there it is folks, I've hoped I've explained it well enough, trying my best. But yeah, I just had this in the back of my mind and I figured it was finally time to put it forward here before I just lost interest or forgot about it.

I honestly blame Wookieepedia, they really frustrate me with all the misinformation and the like to confuse a lot of people. This is honestly not that hard to figure if you just stop and think about it.

Now this isn't to say one can't, I mean I certainly can't force anyone to do this. Just to me, I don't really understand the point of trying to put the two together when...to me it just doesn't add up at all in any capacity.

But if you folks can somehow rationalize all of it and fit it to make sense well...more power to you I guess.

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