Whitley's forum posts
I wonder, I really wonder, what modern comic book readers would think if they encountered some of Jack Kirby's work. Kirby was a lot like that as well working, he would hold all the pieces and until the story arc ended (and it might be in the case with FF 15 or so issues) it would not make a lot of sense. But you always got the idea when reading a Kirby comic (especially when he was really involved with the characters) that he was having a blast and you just had to see it through.
Claremont was a lot like that holding on the pieces, mixing and matching having this master plan and evenutally it would all fit together and make sense. His dialogue is always very good, in part because he was an actor as well so he knows how words sound to his ear. His women are very strong as well, probably because doing summer stock as an actor you get in touch with your fem side a bit more. And unlike a lot of people in the comic biz then he was married and generally did not have a lot of issues with women and how to interact with them.
Yes, he does love the adjectives a bit much. But then his style is so descriptive that you feel like you are right there. And there is this epicness like you are there within this modern myth he is creating. His writing is very novel like and there are times when you are just blown away with what he can do with the written word. I learned a lot about writing from Claremont and others as well. But I remember reading in own of his Nicole Sheanovels (First Flight, Grounded, and Sundowner) the first 2.5 pages of it is nothing but description of this woman navigating a boat by herself on this beautiful sunny day out on the ocean. Not one piece of dialogue is spoken or thought but you get everything. His ability to draw you into his world is amazing.
"@Whitley said:"@Roninidas said:I don't even know what to say. I disagree with you on so many levels. So, I will try my best. 1) How the hell do you get Super Human Registration Act from the quote, "It was stolen from the whole WMD mess the US got into in Iraq.." That statement doesn't even make any sense. I hate reality TV, but it is the world we live in today. If Super Heroes were real, I gurantee you, that a bunch of C-Listers would ban together and have a reality tv show. There is no doubt in my mind that would happen. So, I don't see the big deal with Marvel doing it. It makes sense and sets up the story. I do agree I think the X-Men could have done more in Civil War, but I also understand why they didn't either. Their situation is delicate as they have already fought the Registration Battle before. If they all joined in... it would have tipped the scales easily. 2) I liked Wolverine on the Avengers. I do think he is an overused character. It made perfect sense in the story of his recruitment. I really liked the compariosn to his recruitment and Captain America's Recruiment in the 60s I thought is was a pretty sweet deal. 3) Bringing Bucky back was awesome! I loved the whole story and it makes for a much better character. I like how he feels guilty for the things he had done as the Winter Soldier. I like him as Captain America and what he brings to the costume. I like that he uses a gun. I see the difference between Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes in the Captain America Costume. If they wanted Steve Rogers to carry a gun as Captain America, I wouldn't like that too much. Steve Rogers' Captain America is the epitome of Patriotism and the American Dream and what we all should strive to be as Americans. Bucky's Captain America is the Realistic take... instead of being the symbol, like Steve, he is trying to become the symbol. Which is awesome and I dig it. I don't think it is fair to say the Government owns the Captain America brand. Sure they created it, but when they commisioned it, and put it into service. It transferred ownership to the People. Captain America is a product of the people, just like the Government. Not that I want to get political, or anything, but its true. I am not opposed to a ethnic person portraying Captain America, I am not sure about 3D-Man doing it, but I would say, if for whatever reason if Steve Rogers and Bucky were both killed off I think either Falcon or Luke Cage should don the Suit. Those would be my two top choices. 4) I think Joe Q. is a man of vision. The Marvel Universe from the last Decade is proof of that. We will be talking about Civil War and the Ultmate Universe and Siege, and Steve Rogers taking over Nick Fury's job for Decades. I still remember when Captain America got killed. I will remember these stories and more 10... 20... 30... years from now. That means something. Maybe not to you, but I like all he has done for Marvel. ""@Whitley: Well, what about all the good stuff he has signed off on over the years? Civil War was a sweet book and story. The New Avengers from issue one to current was a pretty sweet read. Everything out of the Captain America books were sweet. Bucky as Captain America was a sweet idea. Secret Invasion wasn't bad. It wasn't the greatest universe expanding event ever, but it was good. The Iron Man character and story has been good. Under his Watch, Marvel truly has flourished. He had to sign off on those ideas too. That Thor reboot is freaking awesome. The Siege was a really sweet story line too. Joss Whedon on Astonishing X-Men genius! The man has done alot of good that people overlook. I really don't see the big deal on the hatred for the man. Was Spider-Man a BND a good idea, probably not, but damn how many bad ideas has DC marketed over the last Decade? Joe Q. is not a bad man. I just don't understand where all the hate comes from? He gave Colbert Captain America's Shield. That happened. "1) Civil War a sweet idea? Not really. It was stolen from the whole WMD mess the US got into in Iraq. And honestly, a reality TV series following a C-list Super Hero group around.....bleah. Not very creative at all. If Marvel wanted to go down that route they should have built it up slowly. Much like you have Sen. Kelly in the X-Men mythos. Speaking of the X-Men, they were no wear to be found in the entire Civil War. Having them sit on the sidelines just made zero sense. 2) New Avengers is a decent read. With the exception that Wolverine is in it. There really is not a logical reason that he should be in New Avengers outside of he just happened to be there. Yeah for a short stint it was fine (much like the sub FF group of Spidey, Ghost Rider, Wolverine and Hulk a few years back). For being such a loner Logan sure gets around. 3) Bucky should have stayed dead. Characters that die should stay dead. Bucky was brainwashed and was the Winter Solider, got in his right mind and is now Captain America? Bleah.....could see it coming from a mile away. And Captain America carrying a gun is wrong on so many levels. No problem with Steve Rogers moving on to a different role in his life. And really a case could be made that the Government owns the Captain America brand (and such arguments have been made in the past), and as result should have a say in who the new Captain America is. A much more interesting choice would have been if the new Captain America was a minority or someone like Triathalon/3D Man whatever name he is going by these days. 4) No one said that Quesada is a bad man. He just has yet to show that he can be a person with some sort of vision overall for Marvel. "
1) The whole basis of the Super Hero Registration Act was that Super Heroes were Weapons of Mass Destruction. The same reasoning that the President George W. Bush used to get the US into Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11 but that is another story). Readers are supposed to believe that all of sudden because of a group of C-Listers take out a few city blocks (and the people in them)....bam this Super Hero Registration Act flies through Congress and gets signed into law easy as pie. All the SHRA is a gimmick. Pure and simple. And there was no way that a SHRA would get passed without something dealing with mutants as well.
I am fine with Marvel wanting to put consquences to the actions, but this was gimmicky. There should have been a lot more build up than what they did. Much like there has been for the X-Men/Sen. Kelly/Sentinels trio.
3) People that are dead should stay dead. If everyone gets to come back from the dead then it takes away from story, if you know that there are no real risks to the job that they do. One of the best things in comics is the fact that Batman (though a bad ass) is slowly aging is getting older and how he deals with. Captain America (Steve Rogers) dying I was fine with that though it seemed a bit gimmicky at the team (and made more so the person was under mind control...talk about being lame and then being rescinded...ugh).
4) The Civil War was so bad on so many levels. Not the least of which was destroying nearly everything that made Peter Parker/Spider-Man special and transforming him into just another suit. The idea that Peter would side with Iron Man that people had to register and reveal IDs to the government was sooo out of character.
The Ultimate concept is not a bad one and they really did it right with Spider-Man. However, the Ultimate Fantastic Four and the Ultimates sucked serious ass for the most part. The idea of taking Reed Richards and making him a teenager when he gets his powers made me want to hurl chunks. Same with Pym trying to use bug spray on Janet Van Dyne. Just really bad writing there.
The Ultimate X-Men has been hit or miss for the most part. Claremont doing X-Men Forever has been a lot better consistently good quality.
Except the whole story of Captain America being killed doesn't matter, because he is still around now. He is ALIVE. That whole story arc of the death and dealing with it afterwards is all garbage now because he is ALIVE.
"@Whitley: Well, what about all the good stuff he has signed off on over the years? Civil War was a sweet book and story. The New Avengers from issue one to current was a pretty sweet read. Everything out of the Captain America books were sweet. Bucky as Captain America was a sweet idea. Secret Invasion wasn't bad. It wasn't the greatest universe expanding event ever, but it was good. The Iron Man character and story has been good. Under his Watch, Marvel truly has flourished. He had to sign off on those ideas too. That Thor reboot is freaking awesome. The Siege was a really sweet story line too. Joss Whedon on Astonishing X-Men genius! The man has done alot of good that people overlook. I really don't see the big deal on the hatred for the man. Was Spider-Man a BND a good idea, probably not, but damn how many bad ideas has DC marketed over the last Decade? Joe Q. is not a bad man. I just don't understand where all the hate comes from? He gave Colbert Captain America's Shield. That happened. "
1) Civil War a sweet idea? Not really. It was stolen from the whole WMD mess the US got into in Iraq. And honestly, a reality TV series following a C-list Super Hero group around.....bleah. Not very creative at all. If Marvel wanted to go down that route they should have built it up slowly. Much like you have Sen. Kelly in the X-Men mythos. Speaking of the X-Men, they were no wear to be found in the entire Civil War. Having them sit on the sidelines just made zero sense.
2) New Avengers is a decent read. With the exception that Wolverine is in it. There really is not a logical reason that he should be in New Avengers outside of he just happened to be there. Yeah for a short stint it was fine (much like the sub FF group of Spidey, Ghost Rider, Wolverine and Hulk a few years back). For being such a loner Logan sure gets around.
3) Bucky should have stayed dead. Characters that die should stay dead. Bucky was brainwashed and was the Winter Solider, got in his right mind and is now Captain America? Bleah.....could see it coming from a mile away. And Captain America carrying a gun is wrong on so many levels. No problem with Steve Rogers moving on to a different role in his life. And really a case could be made that the Government owns the Captain America brand (and such arguments have been made in the past), and as result should have a say in who the new Captain America is. A much more interesting choice would have been if the new Captain America was a minority or someone like Triathalon/3D Man whatever name he is going by these days.
4) No one said that Quesada is a bad man. He just has yet to show that he can be a person with some sort of vision overall for Marvel.
Joe Q first off is a rather overrated artist. The man has completely destroyed Spider-Man. There is no way in hell that Peter Parker would have ever revealed (unless he was saving a life of someone) that he is Spider-Man. That happened in the Civil Way and Joe Quesada had to sign off on that. That lead to One More Day which throughly showed he didn't understand the Spider-Man universe at all.
It also showed that he doesn't have the balls to stand by a decision once it was made. And saying that you are creatively in a box with Peter married to MJ just shows how by the book he is. In essence, he is saying that Peter should be a static character nothing really ever changing in his life. When the need for growth and change is weaved into his very being back in the very first Lee and Ditko stories.
And doing all of this he gets a promotion. I guess that means we can look forward to more of the same crap in the movies now.
"I think that is on point. However, I would say that Peter Parker is the type of guy that should be married. After all, his appeal is that he is most like us. And most people at one time want to be married.These characters live such stressful lives as is. Them getting married just adds a level that most writers are unable to add on in a proper context. In the end, some of these characters are just not meant to be “in love”. I guess this is why many manga have characters who only want to get stronger.
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Especially with MJ, there would be a lot of possibilities to work with. People don;t stay movie stars and models for a long period of time. Eventually, MJ would have to grow as an actress or else move behind the camera. And that could be a really hard transition for her, especially with Peter being Spider-Man so many hours of the day. That could enter all sorts of interesting territory, especially if MJ could find that emotional support in another male. You could have that in the background there brewing for a few years as a backstory. And that would give some real life drama that would be grounding Spidey into a bit of realism while he goes off and does his duty with the Avengers etc.
I really like the idea of Hugo Strange. And it could really work where they left it off at.
Picture this...Batman is blamed for the death of Harvey Dent. The new mayor of Gotham (who won on getting rid of The Batman campaign) forces Gordon to hire noted profiler Dr. Hugo Strange for the express purpose of finding out who Batman is and who his allies are. Strange has broad powers and answers only to Gordon. While Strange begins investigating The Batman. Gotham Underworld kingpin Black Mask hires the best money can buy (Bane).
The love interest would be Pamela Isley, a passionate environmental scientist, who comes to Gotham to help Wayne Industries become more Environmental Friendly.
Ra'sh has already been done (Batman Begins) so anything with Talia is going to be out. Same with Joker, Scarecrow and Two Face.
What would be interesting is someone like Poison Ivy. PI is a very interesting character if you do her right. It could be something like Pam Isley (spelling?) is a leading advocate of this big movement to green up Gotham. Bruce Wayne hears this and is intrigued with some of her ideas since she is a doctor in her own right. They make plans to discuss things over dinner, but before she can have dinner one of her enemies (being almost militant on the environment Pam would have a lot of them) kills her. She comes back with her powers and goes after Bruce Wayne thinking he is the one behind her murder.
Yeah, it's pretty minimalist and not many artists can do that very well. of course, it is only one page shown so far. but the artist does seem to have a pretty good idea.
Sure it can...imagine Twilight: The Musical
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