# The portrayal of super speed in live action & animated media

Super speed is often a divisive topic on the live action battle threads. I often find myself arguing in favor of feats timing electricity and lasers, but speed in general can be a hotly debated aspect of a battle thread.

Scenes with cuts are often disregarded due to either cinematic timing/visually slow projectiles. Reasoning behind this is usually things like:

• ____ got hit by fodder, he can't be a bullet timer(As if in a world where human beings can dodge bullets, other human beings should always be incapable of touching them unless they have speed feats of there own)
• That's not real electricity/light, therefore it does not move at the same speed because that character is only a bullet timer. (As if bullet timing is their true limit when it could be because movies don't know how fast electricity moves)

My response to those questions would be, if the director doesn't know the speed of lightning, what makes you think they know the speed of a bullet? Or I would ask, why does ____ who can see bullets in slow motion and dodge them, get hit by humans, if those humans don't have the speed to bypass _____ reactions?

Take Man of Steel. Clark flies about half the circumference of the earth in about 68 seconds or less after he destroys the world engine.

02:25:00 superman destroys world engine

00:46:00 we see superman still floored, moments before the Air Force is clear to approach the device in metropolis

Reasonable Lowballing; it would be Mach 855; a reasonable highball would be Mach 969. Mach 41 with extreme lowball (5 minute trip)

Guidebooks state his reactions are equal to his travel speed. Not that he would be able to navigate at such high speeds accurately if he's moving too fast to see where he's going or react properly, in my opinion at least

Another example is towards the final act of Captain America: Civil war. Prior to the final battle, It took iron man about 15 seconds from when he left the helicopter to when It cut to the soldiers exiting the quinjet. And took a little more than a minute and a half before he was onscreen with them in Siberia. And this is after leaving the raft, which was somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

In the defenders, elektra killed someone in full view of 4 other people, and just appeared behind her. As if no one even saw her enter the room. If so, that would easily be a supersonic feat

Plus these numerous scenes which would require speeds of at least Mach 22 to form the red Mach cone and Mach 5.3-32 in order to achieve escape velocity

These feats would suggest either slow projectiles, or enhanced perceptions

And this scene has no mach cones when it should

So are all of these feats debunkable from a speed perspective? Or should we suspend our disbelief, and apply a fair and even hand when using real world physics to quantify feats? (As in, if a bullet in fiction is as fast as in real life, so is lightning so long as it has the power of natural lightning)