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But how exactly does that mean the history and lore was "lost". It means they were hurting for resources and they were recommissioning old ships. Galactic history doesn't just poof. Even if the destroyed original files, it's pretty hard to believe they did a full purge.

Why doesn't the galactic center have these events documented? I mean, we documented wars with Nazi germany and even have their battle tactics taught today. And we didn't even have internet lol

Well that kinda has to do with the fact that Palpatine didn't know the DLC was created yet ? he didn't have the money for a subscription.

@wolfrazer: Sure, from certain showings, but I see no valid reason as to why the Galactic Empire would swap the DC series for an E-11 if this were true. Costs were ~ for the weapons, and they already had an enormous quantity of perfectly viable weapons. That just wouldn't make sense and its an unprofitable undertaking.

I'd agree that is a pretty terrible strategy, but it's exclusive to one leader's bad decisions. Besides, 3 to 1 odds alone are necessary to assault a defense irl. With Jedi assistance, 10 to 1 is not unbelievable. Don't get me wrong ? it was a stupid approach, probably pressed by time to take it.

I could definitely see more battles ending up like that due to power plays, as you said, though. It would definitely be a more common thing under a military designed like theirs. Especially if a Sith is leading the battle. Many Sith would do something like that.

And, lol. Good luck for to beat the Republic's space force. They'd be much better off against the Galactic Empire what with their ridiculously garbage Naval strategem of having a single ship type. Guerilla attacks, unfortunately, wouldn't be too effective against the Republic.

I honestly don't see any possible way for them to win without outnumbering them in capital ships 3 to 1

@wolfrazer: For some reason I can't edit replies to respond to those updated remarks, so I'll continue in a new comment.

I though Bothawui was Jedi guarding a holdout point vs non Force using troops assaulting them. Not exactly something you can gauge their officers on lol. It was a "Jedi force".

And yeah, its likely they have some holofiles dedicated to their tactics in Republic academies, so that is another edge for the Republic. Though not that they would have a distinct advantage because of it. Academies would have been instructing their officers and soldiers on how to combat battle droids for the past 20 years. There would have to be some tactic restructuring to deal with this human threat, even if they had it on file, their officers have aged with different combat drills in mind.

Not that they'd lack the sense to employ something so simple but for example:

Cover becomes more useless against droids in hordes. Being supressed is worse than being dead in a firefight; A reason clones don't always take cover.

Droids have no tactics to fight against.

It would be smart to default weaponry to an older model that does not use ion blasts. Reissuing weapons to a galactic military may take years.

There are still some disadvantages for them.

With that said, their troops are still vastly superior, and will reorganize with pristine efficiency

@wolfrazer: OP did say "any" personnel and tech could be used, hence the reason I was combining CIS/some OR Jedi Order personnel. It didn't say specific to faction loyalty, so thats either a miscommunication by the OP, or they meant we could use anyone.

As for Officers, I was talking Force user Jedi generals. As for regular personnel, the only other officer I can recall for OR that gets even a bit of recognition is Kilran's second: Grand Moff Regus. Not nearly impressive compared to Kilran though.

But I assume non Force users are all hitting a certain peak in capability anyway. No Thrawns around for either side

Credits you tools. That's why the Republic wins. That and the superior tech, and that the Sith Empire is the one invading which is the dumbest decision Vitiate has made so far, that including walking into a lightsaber blade. They don't have the numbers or resources to "invade"

Additional note

Almost all of the GAR Force users edge out the Old Republic's in single combat, but single combat won't happen to any with half a brain. Story encounters are basically written PIS in itself. Rare will the leaders not get killed or captured at the very end of the war.

Vitiate/Revan < Yoda/Sidious/Anakin

Jadus =< Mace Windu

Marr ?

Nox, Wrath < Dooku, Maul

Malgus < Obi-Wan

By the slim chance that any of them meet.

Republic Grand Army for the win. Duh. Its pretty obvious.

All around more advanced technology, infinitely superior soldiers.

The biggest reasons without a doubt: vastly greater resources, supply lines, and evolved hyperspace lanes. Also a vastly greater means of production that doesn't rely on silly slave labor that is constantly revolting and will obviously be used to GAR advantage. These are the most important factors.

Palpatine's meddling isn't important, unless he's stupid enough to sabotage his own government whilst not already holding all of the chips. Fortunately, he's smart.

Military:

Clone Trooper >>> Imperial Soldier

This is a huge advantage. The clone trooper is superior in every possible way. They are the perfect soldier bred for combat. Imperials are, on average, a bunch of conscripts serving fascists. This usually results in low morale, or zeal. Clones don't have morale problems.

Republic Navy >>> Imperial Navy

A pivotal factor, the Venator vs the Harrower. Republic has air superiority without question. The Venator holds every advantage. It can launch hundreds more fighters than the Harrower and has better weaponry. Fighter superiority is what wins battles though.

Republic wins almost every encounter based on relatively even numbers.

Less important than the above are Force users. Old Republic have it a lot better.

Tactics:

Revan would outmaneuver any GAR battle tactician tenfold, save Anakin who is the only battle mind that could contend with Revan's skill. Revan still has a lot more to his name however.

Imperial Sun Tzu > Republic Sun Tzu

Espionage:

Old Republic will certainly win this category unless Sidious devotes the majority of his time to this. He may even need to let Mas Amedda head the Republic government for an interim.

Sidious isn't the battle mind, but he can plot and scheme like no other, and would serve better to operate with the heads of GAR intelligence. This would be crucial for the Republic, as Jadus is pretty much a moron. He may even be too busy infighting. He might even get himself captured in the process. Even if Nox or Baras were added to assist, this only creates tension from Jadus having to keep their power in check. Maul can fulfill his old role once more as an assassin under Sidious here.

Republic Intelligence >>> Imperial Intelligence

Yoda is great, but stagnant as a leader. He opted to be passive and do absolutely nothing against Sidious, and his failings contributed to the downfall of the Order. At least he can lend his extraordinary Battle meditation in pivotal fights. Satele Shan is his best opposing force.

Battle meditation and spirituality/mending ~ both sides. Whatever. They both have it. This is just supplementary.

Lesser high tier Force users like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan, Marr, are not as key, but serve on the frontlines as the war generals. Old Republic has the greater quantity here, and Darth Marr and Malgus are slightly more effective than any of the GAR's for their experience.

Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Plo Koon, Fisto, (also includes Yoda, and Dooku/Grievous if CIS is a go) etc

Darth Marr, Wrath, Darth Malgus, Darth Nox, Darth Baras, Darth Thanaton etc

Imperial Generals >= Republic Generals

As for average Force users, the GAR has better mook Jedi than the SWTOR's Sith or Jedi. This is an advantage.

Problems:

Vitiate is free to do as he wishes. Palpatine is stuck leading the Galactic Republic or compensating in other areas. The galaxy rests on the Chancellor's office more than the Empire did the Sith Emperor, who wasn't even necessary. This may be good or bad for the Empire depending on what idiot Valpoorion decides to do.

Even if by some miracle, the Sith Empire successfully defeat the Republic on almost every battlefield, invasion and occupation is impossible. They have no chance at ever bringing down the Republic and establishing their rule. They simply don't have the numbers for it.

The Sith Empire are a bunch of fools. Infighting is the primary factor in the destruction of the Sith. Even if they held military superiority, they are still at a constant risk of destroying themselves. This is a friction on top of their use of slave labor.

The Republic may have a far superior economy, but they were hurting by the close of the Clone War. Very important: How is the CIS doing, and what of the situation between the Banking Clans/CIS/Republic at this time? The only way for the Empire to win, is by manipulating those separate factions within the Republic.

Hilarious to see people claim an all out galactic warfare results in a stomp for either side though. No common sense there.

Well new day and its good to see Malgy got some love. He still doesn't have a chance, but spread the love. Always wondered about a competition between Bane and Malgus. I look forward to Vader and Noah Omelette's (possible?) CaV? Or maybe just discussion

@dawn_of_ages: Okay LOL that was perfect and legitimately made me laugh out loud

Lol, funny battle; The baldies. Malak easily

Revan Nyriss's him