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The Father, The Daughter, Abeloth, The Son, Mortis Anakin, Oneness Jacen and Onimi are the toppest tiers...

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lol i predicted almost everyone's response LT's was the most hilarious the idea that KFV Anakin doesn't fodderize Dooku is laughable.

i give him 20 seconds... 30 if he runs as fast as he can

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@greysentinel365:oh boy

His fighting style being cramped is irrelevant to the point I was making. Which was that Mara matched and overpowered him in the force.

nothing you said here is accurate

It wasn't an explosion lol. She collapsed a tiny maybe 2m section of cave on him

you are completely fabricating these numbers up

And she was point blank when it happened as well lol.

the only thing she was point blank for was when Jacen ragdolled her with a force explosion the first of many

He deflected the energy bolt with one last surge of the Force and sent the rubble erupting off his crushed and bleeding body like a detonation. Bricks hammered the walls and rained fragments, knocking Mara flat like a bomb blast. She made an animal noise that was more anger than pain and flailed for a moment as she tried to get up.

look at that completely ragdolled also a bloody and crushed body is not and will not ever be amped

Caedus is amped by injuries and is stated to have a massive adrenaline amp in this instance.

this is also false Caedus is amped by Pain but the injuries he receives still affect him. Ill admit you are a good liar but you can't lie to me. Caedus had his arm cut off by Jaina he didn't suddenly get stronger he fed off the pain to keep functioning but he still lost an arm. He didn't magically get stronger by that.

Just like having broken bones and blood loss doesn't make him stronger but don't worry we'll get to that.

Irrelevant as she later demonstrated the feat over matching and overpowering him in the force. Her opinion is fallible.

ok do the same thing but with Vader feats and Lucas' opinion being fallible. I know you can't but its ok cuz she never overpowers him or out fights him.

now lets break down the entire fight that you refuse to post cuz you know people will call you for being a moron

But he was hurt, and badly.

Ben ... he didn't know where Ben fitted into this, but now he knew he did, as surely as he knew anything. Jacen didn't care, because he knew he had to kill Mara now and nothing else would make sense until he did that.

But he was hurt, and badly... yes i see how reading this you could think he was amped. Because only a complete moron could think that.

She shouldn't have been able to get near him. He had total mastery, and she was just athletic and fast. He pushed back at her in the Force, sending her crashing against a wall with a loud grunt, but she kept coming at him, one-two, one-two with the shoto and the blade, and he was being driven back, his strength ebbing. He needed space to fight.

here is the 2nd time Mara gets ragdolled by Jacen... it also mentions he was not able to properly fight

They rolled. This wasn't a duel: it was a brawl. She thrust her vibroblade up under his chin and he jerked his head to one side, feeling the tip skate from his jaw to his hairline as it missed his jugular. He couldn't draw the weapons he needed. He was losing blood, losing strength, waning, flailing his lightsaber to fend her off. It was almost useless in such a close-quarters struggle. Mara, manic and panting, flicked the shoto to counter every desperate stabbing thrust.

he was losing blood and strength again only a complete moron could think he was amped here... now i know you fit the bill but still you shouldn't lie so blatantly it will turn people off.

btw Mara's Shoto would be perfect for fighting in this area

"Ben . . . I'll see you dead first. . . before . . . you get . . . Ben."

Jacen was on the knife-edge between dying and killing. They grappled, Force-pushed, Force-crushed: he threw her back again, trying to Force-jolt her spine and paralyze her for a moment, but somehow she deflected it and bricks flew out of the wall as if someone had punched them through from the other side. She almost Force-snatched the lightsaber from his hand, but even with his injuries he hung on to it. He wouldn't die. He couldn't, not now.

Mara was as rage amped and bloodlusted as she could be. She was doing this to protect her son, if anyone was amped here it was Mara. Now i don't expect you to agree to this cuz it goes against your head canon but the others reading will see your lies.

again he throws her back this is the 3rd time she's been ragdolled just cuz she managed to just barely prevent her spine from being jolted does not mean she overpowered him.

Then she launched herself at him-unthinking, a wild woman, hair flying-and he Force-pushed to send her slamming against a pillar in midleap. But the battering he'd taken and the ferocity of her relentless attack had blinded him to danger from another quarter. As he lurched backward to avoid her, his legs went from under him and he stumbled into a gaping crack opened up by the subsidence. He fell badly: red-hot pain seared from ankle to knee. His lightsaber went flying. Pain could be ignored, but the moment it took him to get to his feet again was enough for Mara to right herself and come back at him with the shoto and plunge it into the soft tissue just under the end of his collarbone.

AGAIN Mara is force pushed away for the 4th consecutive time, unfortunately the battlefield was not kind to Jacen since it was stated several times to hinder him

side note it expressly states Jacen is ignoring the pain, not feeding off of it. I know context can be such a bitch when it goes against your head canon but try to keep up

Lightsaber wounds hurt a lot more than he ever imagined. Jacen screamed. He summoned his own weapon back to his hand and Mara crashed into him, knocking him flat again and pinning him down. Her vibroblade stopped a hand span from his throat as he managed to grab her hair and drag her face nearer and nearer to his lightsaber. She struggled to pull back, hacking at him with the shoto but blocked by his dwindling Force power each time.

Her vibroblade grazed his neck. He fumbled in his belt for a dart. She jerked back with a massive effort, leaving him clutching a handful of red hair, and the only thing that crossed his mind as she arched her back and held her arms high to bring both shoto and vibroblade down into his chest was that she would never, ever harm Ben.

even on the ground in a horrendous position while weakened he was able to block her shoto with the force every time.

Jacen stared into her eyes and instantly created the illusion of Ben's face beneath her. She blinked.

It gave him the edge for that fraction of a moment. It was long enough to ram the poison dart into her leg with its protective plastoid cone still in place.

It was just a small needle, ten centimeters long. He stabbed her so hard that the sharp end punched through the cone and the fabric of her pants.

Mara gasped and looked down at her leg as if she was puzzled rather than hurt. The dart quivered as she moved, and then fell to the floor.

"Oh . . . it's done . . ." Jacen said. The shoto fell from her hand and she made a vague and uncontrolled pawing movement with the vibroblade. It caught him in the bicep, but there was no strength behind the blow, and she dropped the weapon. "I'm sorry, Mara. Had to be you. Thought it was Ben. But it's over now, it's over . . ."

Jacen then uses an illusion which, if mara was stronger than him, would not have worked except it did and then used his gear to his advantaged (something Mara had been doing the entire fight and still couldnt win)

this is the end of the fight. Mara was rag dolled 4 times, rag dolled Jacen 0 and managed to block one force spine jolting. Mara used the battlefield, prep, ambush tactics and force rage and she still lost to a weakened bleeding out Jacen.

Nowhere was it stated Mara was hindered, every single time it was mentioned Jacen's body was crumpled, bloodied, that he was ignoring the pain not feeding off of it.

You are a liar plain and simple.

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>sees that it is not limited to Movie only feats for Aragorn

yeah... Aragorn murderstomps hard i mean don't get me wrong he'd still slaughter even if it was Movie Only feats but with the books its even worse.

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@frozen: Caedus in that case had a massive adrenaline style power boost

They said that the human body was capable of extraordinary feats of strength when in extremis. For a Jedi, it was something else entirely. Jacen Solo wasn't ready to die, not now, not so close to his ascendance, and not in a stinking drain like vermin.He deflected the energy bolt with one last surge of the Force and sent the rubble erupting off his crushed and bleeding body like a detonation.

LotF Sacrifice

While Mara had just had a cave in exploded in her face "with the force of a bomb" and yet Mara tanked or deflected all of his attacks, overpowered him in the force and bodied him.

So yes there was context. That being Caedus was amped, Mara was hindered and she still won. Jacen only pulled through via a cheapshot illusion and a poison dart. He lost the fight itself.

you're unbelievably stupid... Jacen was injured by that explosion that Mara caused and it was specifically noted that his fighting style was hindered by the close combat. And she ambushed him

His right knee exploded with blinding pain as Mara cannoned out horizontally, Force-assisted, from a side conduit and caught his leg on the joint with her boots, ripping the tendons. As he lost his footing in the narrow passage, screaming, he found himself wedged for a second and groping for support. He lashed out with his lightsaber, shaving powdery brick from the wall. Mara dropped to the muddy floor to dodge the lightsaber, then sprang up and sprinted away down the tunnel.

It wasn't a good start. Jacen swore and made himself run after her, willing endorphins to numb his leg and telling himself that he knew she was setting up a trap. She wanted him confined, pinned down, penned.

I'd question how on Earth you could possibly miss this but then i remembered you're a moron, even the echo chamber that is SI doesn't believe half the drivel you put out as i recall they even had an emote for you called "Greypost"

The rumbling began. She brought down both sections of tunnel, before and behind, with a massive exertion in the Force that made her breathless. She didn't hear him call out. Even in the damp conditions, clouds of fine debris filled the air and made her choke.

An arm was all that protruded from the rubble. Through a fist-sized gap, she could see the wet, blinking glint of an eye and bloodstained face. A hand reached out to her, fingers splayed, bloody and shaking. Other people might have felt an urge to take that hand, the most distinctively human of things, but it was an old, tired Sith stunt, and she'd used it herself too many times.

look at that he was massively injured by the explosion that Mara "tanked" even though she was no where near the blast

aside your moronic interpretation of the fight please note that Mara admitted she was weaker than Jacen many many times over

Either way, she was going to get a reaction out of him. She couldn't outstrip his Force powers, but the tricks of flesh and blood put her on a more level playing field.

-- Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice

"No, I feel that Jacen's developing powers way beyond mine, and that he's good for Ben, and that he would never harm him."

-- Legacy of the Force: Bloodline

so do me a favor go back to the SI discord channel and let them make fun of you for this crusade you have. stop trying to trick @frozen Vivas and i already got to him about how good Caedus actually is

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@warlockmage:

Remember that time Obi Wan was dabbing on Maul and Savage at the same time... I remember

I also remember Kenobi only landed one hit on Maul and solely exploited Savage, while Maul ragdolled him twice. Not to mention Kenobi was stated to be amped and had an environmental advantage during said encounter.

Context buddy.

please show me where it was explicitly stated he was amped... Maul Ragdolled him twice and did absolutely nothing either time Kenobi quickly recovered and Maul was running away.

I do enjoy your delusion in thinking that Maul would have somehow done better without Savage, it is however a delusion and Maul would have absolutely been folded had he not run away like a coward

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man whatever you have up your ass must be longer and thicker then them Dragon Dildos... i am impressed

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Remember that time Obi Wan was dabbing on Maul and Savage at the same time... I remember

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by this point in time Kenobi is a much much better duelist and has more of a mastery of the force. I'd even argue he has more raw power but even if he doesn't it won't matter much.

Kenobi both rounds

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